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Nautical navigation: Garmin nRoute vs. Garmin Mobile PC
citam
Hello!

I would like to use my Bluechart map on my laptop.
Which software is better for navigation and has more options to adjust?

Thank you!

Sorry for the language. I am from Slovenia. :/

Citam
Ken in Regina
Both will work. It will be easier with nroute. Once you load the Bluechart maps in Mapsource and unlock them you can use them with nroute immediately. nroute will use any maps that are loaded into Mapsource and unlocked. You do not ever have to transfer maps into nroute.

To use the maps in Mobile PC you need to first load them into Mapsource and unlock them, then select the areas you want to use in Mobile PC, then Mapsource will compile them and transfer them into Mobile PC.

With nroute, you can purchase any Garmin GPS model that will work with your laptop and unlock your maps to it and it will work in nroute.

With Mobile PC, you must only buy their package with Mobile PC + GPS20 (USB) or Mobile PC + GPS10x (Bluetooth) if you want to use extra maps like Bluechart.

What options (features??) are important to you? nroute and Mobile PC have all the same basic features and both have many advanced features. Both can do almost everything. The difference is mostly how they look .... how they display the maps (Mobile PC is very much prettier) and the menu system to use the features (nroute has more flexibility).

There is very little difference in cost between the two options.

...ken...
citam
Thank you 'Ken in Regina'.

I was confused because Garmin Support told me a week ago, that I can not use Bluechart maps with Garmin Mobile PC and that I need older version of program - nRoute.

BTW: Yes, I ment features.
tcassidy
The Garmin BlueChart page lists Mobile PC under Product Compatibilty but with limitations. It does not say what those limitations are, specific to the this product though.

http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/mapSource/bluechartCD.jsp

Terry
Ken in Regina
citam, you definitely will not be able to use Bluecharts with the software-only version of Mobile PC. Bluecharts are locked so you will need a Garmin GPS device to unlock them. This will not work when you have Mobile PC software-only version. You must have one of the packages that comes with its own USB or Bluetooth GPS for any chance that it will work.

Perhaps that is why the Garmin tech said you should use nroute. That is why I suggested that nroute will be easier for you unless there are specific reasons you want Mobile PC (prettier map display, menu system and features almost identical to the Nuvi devices).

You should be aware of another problem with using Mobile PC when you have to load maps and other things (waypoints, routes, tracks). The last two versions of Mapsource will not connect to Mobile PC. So you must find another way to get the maps and other things loaded into Mobile PC. (We can tell you how to load maps, if you decide to use Mobile PC, but I can't recall whether there is a way to load routes and tracks and waypoints.)

...ken...
citam
So in conclusion is all the same. Different is just the interface. Am I right?
I just want to use laptop with Bluechart on my boat and I need something easy to use with some nautical features.

Transferimg maps from MS to Mobile PC is not a problem for me.
tcassidy
I suspect the features in Mobile PC would be of little value with Blue Chart maps. nRoute should do the job nicely.

Terry
Ken in Regina
So in conclusion is all the same. Different is just the interface. Am I right?
Yes. I have not found any features in Mobile PC that are not also in nroute.

If you already have a Garmin GPS to use with your laptop, the only thing you need to buy is BlueCharts for your area and download nroute for free.

If you already have Mapsource and some maps you can download nroute to look at it right now, before you buy BlueCharts.

You don't need a GPS connected to nroute to look at any maps that are already loaded in Mapsource. If you are familiar with Mapsource you will already be familiar with nroute because it is the same interface with navigation features added.

...ken...
Deaver
Based on the conversations of this thread, I purchased, installed and unlocked The bluechart package. I then installed nRoute. I created waypoints within the MapSource portion and saved the file as Ver 2 .gdb as needed by nRoute.

With using nRoute and "importing" my save .gdb file I can clearly see the waypoints that I created. However even the Map detail set to highest, I can only see my waypoints on a "white" area with very little detail. If I look at the file while in MapSource, a very detailed map appears showing depths, buoys etc. This detail is not available in the nRoute view using the same file and map. I was expecting the same level of detail

What am doing wrong?

I look forward to your thoughts
tcassidy
I suspect you haven't increased the map detail to 'Highest' in nRoute. Its under the View menu and also available as a drop down on the top menu. I don't have a BlueChart map to confirm this though.

Terry
Ken in Cape Breton
What am doing wrong?

I look forward to your thoughts
I'm not sure what you're doing wrong. I just did what you said you just did and got the (attached) view of the waypoints and route I created.

What device did you unlock the Bluechart region to? Is that the device you currently have connected to nRoute?

Can you view the charts in nRoute without creating a route? (I can)

Are you sure you are viewing a part of the earth you have charts for in nRoute and not just the location your GPS is currently at (which may not be in the area you have unlocked charts for? Silly question I know but we've all gotten caught by this once or twice.

Do the waypoints appear under the waypoints tab at the bottom of nRoute (F12 to turn the tabs on if the're off)?
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Ken in Cape Breton
Thank you 'Ken in Regina'.

I was confused because Garmin Support told me a week ago, that I can not use Bluechart maps with Garmin Mobile PC and that I need older version of program - nRoute.

BTW: Yes, I ment features.
I've recently tried Blue Charts with Mobile PC and they don't work it seems. The areas of the chart with detail map overlays do not display properly, these areas are just blank. If you zoom in enough they will display but then the surrounding areas go blank. Mobile PC can't seem to deal with these overlay areas.

nRoute works just fine.
Deaver
I suspect you haven't increased the map detail to 'Highest' in nRoute. Its under the View menu and also available as a drop down on the top menu. I don't have a BlueChart map to confirm this though.



Thanks for your reply Terry

I did have the map detail set to highest. See my next response as I now have a suspicion as to my error

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong. I just did what you said you just did and got the (attached) view of the waypoints and route I created.



Ken, your attachment view was exactly the level of detail I was hoping for


What device did you unlock the Bluechart region to? Is that the device you currently have connected to nRoute?

I unlocked the Charts with a Garmin 276c, Id'd to my account


Can you view the charts in nRoute without creating a route? (I can)



I can load the map (upper left drop-down box) but cannot see any chart to the level of detail as your attachment shows


Are you sure you are viewing a part of the earth you have charts for in nRoute and not just the location your GPS is currently at (which may not be in the area you have unlocked charts for? Silly question I know but we've all gotten caught by this once or twice.



Not Silly at all but did confirm location view as not to be silly


Do the waypoints appear under the waypoints tab at the bottom of nRoute (F12 to turn the tabs on if the're off)?



Yes



I now have a new suspicion as to my problem(s)

I have several Mapsource products. First being an older version of Metroguide this version was never in a locked mode. I loaded Metroguide and then nRoute to in effect test the software and hardware configurations with success.

I then attempted to load my BlueChart package on to then relize that it was still locked although thought I had unlocked it previously. I telephoned Garmin to make the fix. My Bluechart now works in MapSource but not to the detail level in nRoute.
Since my initial post I have loaded Topo 2008 (unlocked) and again can see detail in MapSource but same lack of detail in nRoute.

Now for my W.A. Guess.
When you initially install nRoute it looks at your current loading of MapSource data files (Maps or Charts unlocked or not) and uses only that data that is/was available at the time of install. A locked version of BlueChart will therefore (guess) not be available.

After not seeing the detail in nRoute for my now unlocked BlueChart, I uninstalled nRoute and reinstalled nRoute with no change in results. I am again guessing that it installs with registry entries as it was already there

I then installed my Topo 2008 Data and again the detail is not available. (because nRoute was already loaded?) These actions/results lead me to this suspicion.

Again your thoughts are appreciated
tcassidy
Have you tried GPS Gate. It can take the info from your GPS and provide the appropriate Garmin data type for nRoute. If the maps are unlocked, they should work.

http://franson.com/gpsgate/download.asp

Terry
Deaver
Have you tried GPS Gate. It can take the info from your GPS and provide the appropriate Garmin data type for nRoute. If the maps are unlocked, they should work.

http://franson.com/gpsgate/download.asp

Terry
Terry, actually I am trying your suggestion.

In the meantime I tried loading all of my MapSource programs/data files (except BlueChart) on another Laptop and then loading nRoute. Also, I am using a GlobalSat BU-353 with GPSGate with this second try

I now can see detail in Topo 2008 that I could not see before. I would try BlueChart but is is locked on another computer.

The fact that I now can see the detail on Topo (pre-installed before nRoute) leads me further to my suspicion of being sequential timing is every thing

I will keep playing and report back
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