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Nautical navigation: Garmin nRoute vs. Garmin Mobile PC
tcassidy
If Bluechart is like the rest of Garmin's maps, it doesn't lock to a computer, but rather a GPS device; probably the 276 in your case. Can't you unlock it by going to your MyGarmin page?

Terry
Deaver
Yes indeed, but actually you need both computer and GPS for unlocking. The unlocking is done through the Mapsource program and on-line so it needs to be "in the picture" so to speak

Earlier today, when I realized that my BlueChart was locked, I telephoned Garmin to reset the lock/unlock sequence and updated my MyGarmin account. with my 276c. My BlueChart is now unlocked. I had installed nRoute prior to the unlocking

My previous computer that was used to to initially install my BlueChart was stolen from my car
Ken in Regina
Hey Deaver,

Sorry to burst your bubble but sequential timing is nothing.

The map installation routines place the appropriate information in the registry.

nroute looks at the same registry entries as MapSource.

Immediately after map installation, both MapSource and nroute can see those registry entries and can display all the maps listed in the registry.

It gets down to unlocking issues.

First, you can use the Unlock Wizard on the second PC to retrieve the Bluecharts unlock code from your My Garmin account and unlock the charts on the second PC. (You did back up your unlock codes, I hope.)

On your first PC you have some other problem because the Topo maps should have displayed in nroute as soon as you installed them. If you can see them and select them in the map product selector dropdown, if they are not locked they will display.

On both PCs, once the charts are unlocked they will be visible in nroute when there is no receiver connected (no navigation happening). When you connect the receiver they are unlocked to, nroute will display them properly.

When you connect a Garmin receiver that is not the receiver they are unlocked to, nroute will not display them because it sees that it's not the right receiver. You can use GPSGate to get around this. GPSGate will send the Garmin data protocol through to nroute, making it happy, but will not pass the unit ID through so nroute will not try to match it to the unlock code.

...ken...
Ken in Cape Breton
Deaver, is it possible you have MapSource instaled twice (in two different locations) on the computer causing problems? Perhaps one installed a while back? I think this could cause the non display issue in nRoute? Just guessing.
Deaver
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Hey Deaver, Sorry to burst your bubble but sequential timing is nothing.
Ken, I was hoping someone would say I was all wet with my concerns. I am indeed grasping in dealing with my problem . I searched this forum for similar issues to no avail. I am grateful for the replies as you folks have been around the block on these types of subjects.

All of the maps do appear in the map product selector dropdown and do appear on the screen. It is just that some do not appear with as much detail as others.

I will follow your advice with the GPSGate approach

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Cape Breton
Deaver, is it possible you have MapSource instaled twice (in two different locations) on the computer causing problems? Perhaps one installed a while back? I think this could cause the non display issue in nRoute? Just guessing.


I am not sure as I write this, but you too make a good point.


I think my next approach is to un-install the complete MapSource and nRoute Package from Computer 1.

I will then install the MapSource program and each Mapset in a new sub-directory, but together and different from the initial install(s). This should reset the registry entries as well to reduce or eliminate any potential conflicts or errors. I will unlock as needed and make sure all is well with the operations of MapSource. I will then install nRoute and go from there. I can then, compare it to Computer 2 if need be.


Gentlemen,

I truly appreciate your replies and help on my issue and I apologize for being a pain in the back-side but thought you folks may have heard of a related problem before. I am not trying to be the dumbest kid on the block and hope to offer insight on these packages in the future.

Many Thanks again

I will report back
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Deaver
I will report back
Yes, please do. It will help add to the troubleshooting knowledge for the next problems that come along. Because they will sure come along. That's why sites like these exist and flourish.

I always love it when I discover that I'm not the only one who does dumb things.



...ken...
Deaver
Very Odd

I am using Windows XP SP3 on an HP 6530b Lap top. I had created a second user account that I named "Travel". The intent of this account was to have a clear desktop with only the shortcuts that I would use while navigating etc.

I sat down last evening to preform the tasks that a mentioned above but, before starting, I decided to check my Travel account. I created a short cut for nRoute and turned it on.

Low and behold, when using any map in my drop-down map selector, every map shows the highest detail whereas Blue Chart and Topo 2008 showed minimum details. While using my Travel account, every feature of the program is fully functional.

I am guessing that there is an issue with my base user account and maybe a good house cleaning is in order but, that will be another day

In the meantime with my Travel account, I will practice an adage my father and others used to say. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If I ever do figure out what's really going on, I will report back

Many, many Thanks for those who have contributed your ideas

I remain dumbfound but grateful

Deaver
Ken in Cape Breton
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deaver
Very Odd

I am using Windows XP SP3 on an HP 6530b Lap top. I had created a second user account that I named "Travel". The intent of this account was to have a clear desktop with only the shortcuts that I would use while navigating etc.

Deaver
Deaver,

I just logged onto my computer as my wife and lo and behold all the maps are locked when I'm on there as her so no locked maps will display in any detail in MapSource or nRoute. I log back on as myself and all is fine. I didn't bother to try to unlock the maps while logged on as her as "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Thought you may be interested.

Ken H.
Deaver
Ken

Very interesting

I did all of my installs, Unlocks etc in my base account. It is my base account that is not fully functional in nRoute. MapSource works fine.

In my "Travel" account everything works.... Go figure

Maybe someday we will all know the inner workings and thoughts of the Garmin Software writing Guru's

Hope your wife never gets lost....
micheldesf
Hi

I would say if you want to use Bluecharts you can only do this with n'route.
The reason is you cannot use nautical miles ore knots with Garmin Mobile PC.
Dephth are not displayed properly, tides do not work at all and so many other details you can only access with a right click.
So for safety reasons and being able to compare quickly with a paper map n'route is the only option.

Michel
Porer
Hi everyone!

I found this old thread, so I would be grateful if someone could help. In fact I try to set my laptop navigation. I have NROUTE 2.7.6. and BlueChart Atlantic 95. Maps are unlocked.
My problem is routing. I make a route, set it active. How do I get NROUTE lead me on that route? All "* To" menu item "Route" is not available.

Thanks in advance for your answers.
Ken in Cape Breton
Hi Porer,

I'm going from memory here but what you want to do Garmin doesn't want you to be able to do. You've probably seen a dialog box when trying to use nRoute with BlueCharts saying the maps are not routable due to licencing restrictions.

The trick seems to be to switch to another mapset (in Canada I'd use Topo Canada or Ibicus Topo as they have accurate shoreline information), setup your route and make it active, then switch to nRoute. You may find it helpful to create waypoints in MapSource in the location of navigation aids so the can be viewed while other mapsets are active.

I don't clearly remember if this works at all well as I found it to be too cumbersome to be useful. I route off my Chart plotter or my Map76CSx, both of which have BlueCharts on Garmin chips. I still leave nRoute running with the Bluecharts at the chart table as the big screen is great for situational awareness, planning,etc. without messing with the chart plotter at the wheel the helmsman is using to follow the active route.
Porer
Thank you Ken, it works!!!

I have installed Adriaroute and Bluechart on same laptop. When nRoute is running, active map MUST be some routable (in my case AdriaRoute), and then I can access to all routing possibilities. Once navigation is started, you can switch again to Bluechart and all is working.

Regards
resophil
Although I own Garmin Mobile PC, and have used it extensively in North America and Europe, this thread strikes me as a perfect example of a product that has lost it's way by over-complication.

All this talk about nRoute, Mapsource, locked maps, unlocking, having to use things in certain order, compiling, MyGarmin accounts, codes, and so on, makes me want to throw the whole thing up in the air, and go screaming for my sanity when I just read through it!

Were I an absolute rookie, that is exactly what I would do! Surely there must be a better way of marketing what should be a reasonably simple matter....?
Ken in Cape Breton
I understand what you are saying but Garmin Mobile PC is really a simple, easy program to use out of the box, assuming you have purchased the correct version with the mapset you need.

I should also point out that Mobile PC is not (at this time at least) intended for or supported for marine navigation, the subject of this thread.

Mobile PC only becomes complicated when you wish to use multiple mapsets or subscribe to updates or try to do something it isn't meant to do.

When it comes to nautical/marine navigation, Mobile PC won't work with Garmin's BlueCharts at all. Perhaps it will one day but I don't see that happening soon as Garmin seems to have moved away from that sort of model of use. Garmin no longer make any nautical map product intended for navigation on a laptop or other computer and so does not support this use. They only support marine navigation on their chart plotters and handheld devices.

The user above is trying to use a discontinued product (Garmin BlueCharts on CD or DVD) by using a discontinued navigation software (Garmin nRoute) in a manner the source data is not (may not be?) licenced for.

It can be made to work in a rather clunky way but it isn't supposed to work in the first place.

Note: I'm in Canada so some licencing restriction on Garmin's DC & DVD BlueChart products may be different here compared to the USA. Garmin has to pay the Canadian Hydrographic Service a licencing fee for use of Canadian chart data. This may not be the case in the US so things may work somewhat differently there. I can say the price of Garmin's charts in Canada came down quite considerably when they discontinued the CD & DVD versions and went to chips only.
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