I just got a GiSTEQ gr-110 (aka GT-730f) and attached it to my netbook, installed the driver and it acts screwed up. If the attachment goes through you'll see what I mean. The AGPS window displays complete gibberish. The data looks nothing like the AGPS pdf manual. What in the world could be going on?
It looks like I got a corrupt device.
Never mind, figured that part out, baud rate issue. GPSgate won't detect it to correct it for Microsoft Streets & Trips. Giving up on S&T and getting something better I hope.
It looks like I got a corrupt device.
Never mind, figured that part out, baud rate issue. GPSgate won't detect it to correct it for Microsoft Streets & Trips. Giving up on S&T and getting something better I hope.
A few weeks have past, and I'm just curious if you have ever figured out how to use it with Streets & Trips?
Nope. Gave up. MS S&T was terrible. Even more so on a netbook screen. If they couldn't design software to take netbooks screen resolutions into account or design it to accept GPS antenna's with faster baud rates then obviously they shouldn't be in the GPS market. Granted no one GPS program is perfect but there wasn't any one feature in S&T that you could brag about... It's like MS doesn't take their GPS software seriously. Save yourself the grief and find something else.
Many people use Streets & Trips quite successfully. It is all in what features are important to you. I agree that a reduced navigation bar help a lot on small screen devices.
Many excellent GPS receivers are capable of 4800 bps and work great with S&T as well as other navigation programs. There is no advantage to devices that can only do 9600. Why blame the software.
Terry
Many excellent GPS receivers are capable of 4800 bps and work great with S&T as well as other navigation programs. There is no advantage to devices that can only do 9600. Why blame the software.
Terry
i've always used 4800bps and had no issues whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
There is no advantage to devices that can only do 9600. Why blame the software.
In 2009 it seems silly to restrict either the hardware or the software to a single bit rate. In both cases it's just a call to the correct library routine in whatever development tool you are using for either the software or the firmware.
A pox on them both.
...ken...
I set up MS S&T 2009 on a Dell mini 9 netbook with minor resolution issues.
I purchased a bundled gps/sofware package, knowing going in the resolution issue.
I also set up a Dell mini 9 netbook with a Garmin Mobile PC 2009 bundled gps/software.
The Garmin bundle is a better combination on a many netbooks, however the S&T is, IMO, worth having as well.
In my case, Dell came out with the mini 9 AFTER MS S&T 2009 was already on the market, thus it wouldn't be fair for me to slam MS for it's resolution decision. Which IS stated on the box.
The bundled S&T 2009 also gave me a free download of Money Plus, which also requires a higher resolution than my mini 9, however I was able to do a workaround on the issues of both MS products.
Netbook Ram and resolution have restrictions put on them by the OS suppliers and chip suppliers also.
Many players, all wanting to control, thus WE THE COMSUMERS get lost in the power plays. The control we have is who will get our money.....OR NOT!
My .02
I purchased a bundled gps/sofware package, knowing going in the resolution issue.
I also set up a Dell mini 9 netbook with a Garmin Mobile PC 2009 bundled gps/software.
The Garmin bundle is a better combination on a many netbooks, however the S&T is, IMO, worth having as well.
In my case, Dell came out with the mini 9 AFTER MS S&T 2009 was already on the market, thus it wouldn't be fair for me to slam MS for it's resolution decision. Which IS stated on the box.
The bundled S&T 2009 also gave me a free download of Money Plus, which also requires a higher resolution than my mini 9, however I was able to do a workaround on the issues of both MS products.
Netbook Ram and resolution have restrictions put on them by the OS suppliers and chip suppliers also.
Many players, all wanting to control, thus WE THE COMSUMERS get lost in the power plays. The control we have is who will get our money.....OR NOT!
My .02
Resolution is a function of what the maker wishes to pay for the LCD to keep the cost down for you. I think ram is based on allowing XP as the o/s. If you need more, pay more.
Terry
Terry
There is a theme here with S&T. The code is so old that:
- it can't dynamically discover and adjust to the current resolution of the display.
- it doesn't allow you to select from a range of standard COM port speeds.
Modern nav software, like Navmii, Mobile PC and iGuidance can all adjust to these things.
Actually, even really creaky old stuff like Garmin's nRoute also handles both of the above situations quite gracefully. Go figure.
This is such basic stuff and so trivial to implement properly it really makes one wonder just how much the developers themselves care about the usability of the product.
In my opinion.
...ken...
- it can't dynamically discover and adjust to the current resolution of the display.
- it doesn't allow you to select from a range of standard COM port speeds.
Modern nav software, like Navmii, Mobile PC and iGuidance can all adjust to these things.
Actually, even really creaky old stuff like Garmin's nRoute also handles both of the above situations quite gracefully. Go figure.
This is such basic stuff and so trivial to implement properly it really makes one wonder just how much the developers themselves care about the usability of the product.
In my opinion.
...ken...
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcassidy
Resolution is a function of what the maker wishes to pay for the LCD to keep the cost down for you. I think ram is based on allowing XP as the o/s. If you need more, pay more.
Terry
Terry
Your very right on the XP/Vista ram delimit.
Ken,
As I read your post something jumps out at me and that being MS could stop producing S&T and it would have a rather minor impact on gross sales, whereas that isn't necessarily the case with the others.
I wonder if that could have influence on how much effort a company is willing to put into grabbing a market share? Nah, I must be dreaming.
mr2,
I agree that the revenue stream from Streets&Trips is probably not much more than a rounding error in their overall gross revenue. Those who know about such things indicate that's the reason the S&T development team isn't large. But that's no excuse for programmers not to pay attention to the basics.
In my view as an IT professional of over thirty years, it's just sloppiness to ignore such simple and basic things as the ability to auto detect the screen resolution and use it, whatever it is. If the setting might not give me the best display, pop a warning box telling me what the minimum preferred dimensions might be but don't use some other arbitrary setting that doesn't fit the current screen settings. That's just irresponsible. In my view.
With today's code libraries you almost have to go out of your way to create COM port code that is restricted to a single bit rate. The standard is for a range of commonly used settings from 300 to 115200. It's not like they have to actually write the code themselves.
None of that has anything to do with the revenue stream of the product, except to enhance the chances of it getting bigger by paying attention to simple basics that make it more friendly to use and that would cost virtually nothing in money or time.
In my view.
...ken...
I agree that the revenue stream from Streets&Trips is probably not much more than a rounding error in their overall gross revenue. Those who know about such things indicate that's the reason the S&T development team isn't large. But that's no excuse for programmers not to pay attention to the basics.
In my view as an IT professional of over thirty years, it's just sloppiness to ignore such simple and basic things as the ability to auto detect the screen resolution and use it, whatever it is. If the setting might not give me the best display, pop a warning box telling me what the minimum preferred dimensions might be but don't use some other arbitrary setting that doesn't fit the current screen settings. That's just irresponsible. In my view.
With today's code libraries you almost have to go out of your way to create COM port code that is restricted to a single bit rate. The standard is for a range of commonly used settings from 300 to 115200. It's not like they have to actually write the code themselves.
None of that has anything to do with the revenue stream of the product, except to enhance the chances of it getting bigger by paying attention to simple basics that make it more friendly to use and that would cost virtually nothing in money or time.
In my view.
...ken...
Ken,
I couldn't agree with you more and practice it myself as a co-owner of a very very small company of model and prototyping, it is our motto to deliver the very best possible and over deliver. We aren't getting rich, however we do produce work we can be proud of and also I sleep good at night.
We always strive to give our clients more then expected and they tell us we do just that.
I couldn't agree with you more and practice it myself as a co-owner of a very very small company of model and prototyping, it is our motto to deliver the very best possible and over deliver. We aren't getting rich, however we do produce work we can be proud of and also I sleep good at night.
We always strive to give our clients more then expected and they tell us we do just that.
Don't get too carried away Ken. As I said in another thread, S&T is quite capable of detecting screen resolution regardless of what the box says is a minimum. And even Mobile PC won't do 115,200 but who cares.
Terry
Terry
:rofl"Wow. Am I about to hear (rather read) Dueling Banjos? I.e. software showdown.
I had never run across a GPS that bottomed out at 9600 until I saw them discussed in this Newsgroup (I have a built-in, 4 BT, 3 USB, an old serial GPS18 and several old serial PNDs - all will do 4800). The 9600 ones seem have come from the PDA world but I don't know why.
Terry
Terry
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