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Navmii on laptop - first impressions
Marvin Hlavac
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
My criticism of the Find function is the same as for many other nav programs and personal navigation devices: you can't enter an address without first entering a city name. This is just plain stupid. In large metropolitan areas where you have multiple cities, even the local residents don't know exactly where one city starts and the next ends. Anyone who needs a GPS for navigation .... ???? Why do nav software developers do this sort of thing????
I highly agree with you, Ken. I'm not sure if this has something to do with Tele Atlas being the map data provider, but I cannot recall a single product based on TA maps that would let users skip city in the process of entering destination address.

I love everything I have seen about Navmii, but this one is a disappointment.

This may be a non-issue for people in Europe, or in any geographical area where cities are far apart from each other. However, in metropolitan areas, where sometimes a road intersection may be a point where two or three cities meet, it is often unclear to GPS users which city to enter into their GPS.



As an example:

6380 Yonge Street is in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
7027 Yonge Street is in Markham, Ontario, Canada
7200 Yonge Street is in Vaughan, Ontario, Canada

So if someone around here tells you a street name and number, that may not be enough if you use a GPS solution that doesn't allow you skip entering city in the process of entering your destination.

This would be my #1 feature request for a future version of Navmii. If Tele Atlas map data cannot accommodate this feature, consider moving to Navteq.
tcassidy
Your comment about navigation programs based on TeleAtlas is interesting, Marvin. I don't think I tried an appropriate local search when I had a product with TeleAtlas data for this area. Maybe it is more forgiving about the city information than NavTeq. I do recall the town/ area identification was just as confusing as NavTeq.

Terry
Ken in Regina
I don't know enough about the geopolitical boundaries in the UK to test the forgiveness of Navmii at the moment. I only know one person in the UK so I used their address to test and discovered the issue.

One thing that is really nice is that it is very responsive to offer suggestions as you type and it got both the city and street names after I typed only a few characters. And it was really fast to offer the suggestions, even on my underpowered little netbook.

Lots to like about Navmii. We'll just have to wait for the NA maps to test how forgiving it might be on the city names ... and the general quality of the TeleAtlas North America product to see if it has improved any.

...ken...
dtong22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac


As an example:

6380 Yonge Street is in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
7027 Yonge Street is in Markham, Ontario, Canada
7200 Yonge Street is in Vaughan, Ontario, Canada
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Marvin

I agree that is not quite friendly in actual use.
Most netbook or laptop users have also S&T as well. I usu plan the trip which is super fast with S&T and putting in the address in the 'find' function will immediately give me the city to enter into my ppc.

Daniel
Marvin Hlavac
Yes, and in many cases even if you know the correct city name, it may not be the city name the GPS may have in its database.

For example the above mentioned address of 7200 Yonge Street. Is it in the city of Vaughan or Thornhill? Ask 10 people who live there, and 5 will tell you they live in Thornhill, and the other 5 will insist they live in the city of Vaughan.

Do we have any locals reading this? Is 6380 Yonge Street in Toronto? Is it in North York? Is it in Willowdale? I think all of the above is correct, but a GPS that insists on you entering a city may only know of one of those names. That is why I always feel so strongly that it should not be mandatory for people to have to enter the name of the city. A GPS solution should let people to just enter street number and street name, and then, optionally, search the whole state, province, region, whatever, and present the user with all the found matches
DJEvergreen
I have a hand held Garmin with North America maps and it allows you to enter a street address without entering the city at all. Same goes for my dad's Curtis GPS with IGO software on it.
Marvin Hlavac
...and the same goes for Garmin Mobile PC, iGuidance by iNav, etc. It would be nice if Geolife could address this in a future Navmii release.
timsmith0
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina

And then there are those lines that head off to nowhere ... perhaps if you follow them you'll just fall off the edge of the world?

...ken...
The lines that disappear into nowhere are the ferry/boat routes to Ireland, Isle of Man, France etc

I'll let you all know how my install goes. Next week I'm putting this on a car-PC/Carputer (After Market system not Manufacturers) which uses a touch screen monitor.

Should be fun as I am in the UK and will get full usage with the UK maps.

Tim
dtong22
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Originally Posted by DJEvergreen
I have a hand held Garmin with North America maps and it allows you to enter a street address without entering the city at all. Same goes for my dad's Curtis GPS with IGO software on it.
My Garmin map NA2008 & 2009 do require you to specify the city first. No clue about 2010 nor Curtis
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by dtong22
My Garmin map NA2008 & 2009 do require you to specify the city first. No clue about 2010 nor Curtis
Hi Daniel,

What device are you running those Garmin maps on? It makes a difference.

It's not something in the maps. I'm using City Navigator NA 2009 on my Garmin iQue 3600 and it does not require you to enter a city name before entering the street name, although it allows you to do so if you want to. It's your choice. Same thing in Mobile PC with City Navigator NA 2009 or 2010.

At least with Garmin (Navteq) maps, the limitation is not in the maps. It's either in the software (laptop, PDA, smartphone, etc.) or the personal navigation device firmware, in the way the user interface is designed.

...ken...
dtong22
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Hi Daniel,

What device are you running those Garmin maps on? It makes a difference.

It's not something in the maps. I'm using City Navigator NA 2009 on my Garmin iQue 3600 and it does not require you to enter a city name before entering the street name, although it allows you to do so if you want to. It's your choice. Same thing in Mobile PC with City Navigator NA 2009 or 2010.

At least with Garmin (Navteq) maps, the limitation is not in the maps. It's either in the software (laptop, PDA, smartphone, etc.) or the personal navigation device firmware, in the way the user interface is designed.

...ken...
GPS 18 PC is the device that is linked to CNNA 08/09. Would it be that for pda there is no need to enter city first? Absolutely pain. But I have Microsoft Streets & Trips in my Acer Aspire One and the first thing I do is to find the city first in S&T before entering that in CNNA

Daniel
dtong22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
It's not something in the maps. I'm using City Navigator NA 2009 on my Garmin iQue 3600 and it does not require you to enter a city name before entering the street name, although it allows you to do so if you want to. It's your choice. Same thing in Mobile PC with City Navigator NA 2009 or 2010.
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I have tried to find if this can be selected or deselected. No go. It is the nRoute

Daniel
tcassidy
If you are using MapSource or nRoute with your GPS18 there is no need to enter the city. If the street name is common it might take longer to search (entering the state/ province will certainly help) but you will get a list of possible addresses.

Terry
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dtong22
Terry

Just as bad. I have changed the tab to 1000 matches (streets) for my selection. Still that does not allow me to get a simple King street.
The trouble is you need to select street and you are not allowed to type in.
For S&T all you need is to cut and paste say 1240 Queens St.


Daniel
tcassidy
You have more than 1000 King street matches in your state/ province? And the one you want isn't near the top?

I will admit that nRoute and MapSource are a bit behind the times. Garmin Mobile PC does not have this issue. However, you CAN search by street; with Navmii and some other TeleAtlas based products, it is not an option at all.

Terry
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