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Transferring tracks from Mapsource to Mobile PC
marcus
Trying to send the waypoints, routes, and tracks to mobile pc. Waypoints and routes are OK, tracks not.

Got reply from garmin, it said "The Garmin Mobile XT software does not use, need and will not accept Tracks from the computer. Therefore this option will be grayed out."

Sounds like it is impossible to work like a handle garmin gps device...

any idea?
Bandicoot
Just want to ask this question again (from last year).

I created quite a number of tracks manually in another program (OziExplorer) (in turn from following some route descriptions in a guide book in an area I've interested in visiting) and was able to import these tracks easily (at the same time) into MapSource. They all load up at the same time in MapSource.

However, when I go to transfer the tracks to Garmin Mobile PC (with 20x), only the first 2 tracks appear in MobilePC (the first two in alphabetical order in my list).

I assume Mobile PC can create and save more than 2 tracks. However, can MapSource transfer (upload) more than 2 tracks into Mobile PC, and if so, how is it done?

Bandicoot
Ken in Regina
The problem isn't Mapsource; it's Mobile PC. Mapsource is transferring them just fine. Mobile PC gags on them.

Up through version 5.00.60g Mobile PC will only take in one route at a time. If you transferred multiple routes in one shot, Mobile PC would generally list all of the route names. But all of the routes were exactly the same as the first one in the list.

In order to get them all over to Mobile PC you have to transfer the routes from Mapsource one at a time. At least through version 5.00.60g.

I think I tested this in 5.00.70 but I can't recall if it's fixed in that version. I only ran it for a short while and reverted back to .60 because of some issues in .70 that bother me more than having some of the fixes it contains.

If you check the link in Terry's answer in the other thread, that might give you some ideas. Or just use Mapsource to transfer the routes one at a time, run Mobile PC, check the new route to make sure it's the right one, and Repeat for as many routes as you have to transfer.

...ken...
Bandicoot
OK, but I'm talking about tracks rather than routes. Aren't routes basically a list of "connected" waypoints in a particular order filed under a route name, but tracks are more like breadcrumbs (also filed under a separate name, but not using pre-defined waypoints).

Don't routes have a limit to the number of waypoints in them, but tracks are almost unlimited? Garmin Mobile PC certainly seems to have both "routes" and "tracks" as separate items.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you here, but it's tracks I want to upload, not routes.

Bandicoot
Ken in Regina
Ack!!! My bad. I misread your question. You have it right about tracks versus routes.

Although it turns out not to matter much.

What version of Mobile PC are you using?

I just tested on 5.00.60 and it has the same problem as I described with transferring routes. I transferred six tracks at once from Mapsource and only the first one shows up in the Saved Tracks list.

In Mapsource, I deleted the first track in the list and transferred again with the five remaining. Again, the first track in the new list shows up in the Saved Tracks list (along with the one from the previous transfer). So now there are two of the tracks in Mobile PC.

I'm not going to test further because I'm confident that this is similar behaviour to transferring routes. Mobile PC is only using the first one in the transfer. If I just keep deleting the top track from the list in Mapsource and transfer again, I'll eventually get all the tracks transferred.

If you check out the GPX file tips in the link Terry posted, you might find a better way to do it. But the method above will work for sure. It's just a bit tedious.

...ken...
tcassidy
I think we experienced another problem with transferring multiple routes. Even though it showed more than one, they were all the first one with a different name. It is probably safest to transfer them one at a time or see if the GPX procedure works for you.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Correct. That's why I said "similar". Similar in that you can be sure it will work if you only transfer one at a time from Mapsource. I should have been more clear about that.

...ken...
Bandicoot
I'm using the latest Garmin Mobile PC. Just updated it last week from the Garmin site.

So I import multiple tracks into Mapsource. I then transfer one track from Mapsource to Mobile PC. Do I then go into Mobile PC and find the track file and give it a unique name?

I then delete that track from Mapsource and transfer the next track into Mobile PC and do the same as before. Or does each transfer from Mapsouce to Mobile PC NOT overwrite the previous track file in MPC, providing only one track is transferred at a time, so that the "tracks" file in Mobile PC (whatever it is) slowly gets larger (one track at a time) as I transfer each track across from Mapsource into Mobile PC?

Bandicoot
Bandicoot
One of the really irritating things about Garmin Mobile PC is that there is no proper reference manual. Garmin has the hide to say the software is meant to be "intuitive" and therefore doesn't need one!

They obviously live on a different planet to mere mortals like me who are left with having to find out how to operate it by trial and error (mainly error but certainly very trying), or by going to forums such as this (thanks very much to all) which definitely gives me a head start!
tcassidy
That is because you are going beyond what they expected the largest number of users to do. To them, it is no more than a larger Nuvi!

Terry
Ken in Regina
You will need unique names for each track or they will just overwrite in Mobile PC's Saved Tracks list.

They must have at least tried to fix the problem in .70 if you are able to get two into the list at one shot. I can only get one at a time in .60.

I shot off an email to tech support tonite to ask if there is any status update on the trouble reports I've filed with them and if there is any further word on an update to Mobile PC coming someday. I guess I'll have to install .70 on another computer (don't want to mess up this installation) and test the track transfer so I can submit a trouble report. Have you sent one in yet?

...ken...
Bandicoot
Ken
I'm too techo-illiterate to know how to send off a trouble report? I'd need another tutorial!

Bandicoot
Bandicoot
OK, So just to ensure I've got this straight.

I make sure that all 50-odd tracks in Mapsource (MS) have unique names.
I select ONE track in MS and transfer it from Mapsource to Mobile PC.
I then select another track in Mapsource and transfer it to Mobile PC.
I continue until all tracks are transferred.

During this process, I don't need to go into any of the files or folders in Mobile PC and do any "manual" changes to file names after I transfer each track across because MPC stores all the tracks in the one file. In fact, I guess I don't even need to have MPC open during this process?

PS: How many tracks (not routes) can MPC have "saved" and how many breadcrump points in each track?

Bandicoot
tcassidy
I tried it on my Win 7 backup which is .70 and it certainly didn't look right. But they were a whole bunch of tracks from the Nuvi 5000. One or two looked ok but the rest I checked were crazy. The problem is you have to delete them one at a time. Maybe I'll delete the appropriat nvm file, see if they go away and try a smaller number.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Here's what I did (using .60).

In Mapsource, named the tracks "Test Track 1", "Test Track 2", "Test Track 3", etc. I had six test tracks. The longest was about 2500 points; the shortest about 700.

In Mapsource, Transfer To Device > Mobile PC, with Tracks checked in the transfer dialog window.

Opened Mobile PC and saw that only Test Track 1 made it. Closed Mobile PC.

In Mapsource, deleted Test Track 1 from the list and transfered again (now 5 tracks in the list).

Opened Mobile PC and saw that Test Track 2 made it this time. Closed Mobile PC.

I stopped there. I assumed that simply repeating the procedure would get the "top" track in Mapsource successfully transfered each and and I could do it until the entire list is transfered.

Another assumption, in order to get the tracks actually into Mobile PC, I assume you would have to open Mobile PC each time, after the transfer from Mapsource.

I'm not going to test with .60 any further because it's not meaningful. E.g. it's not the latest version so there's no point in bitching about the problem to Garmin. It's only relevant to test and identify the exact characteristics of the problem in .70.

I will look forward to Terry's results. If I get the time and the inclination tonite, perhaps I'll install Mobile PC 5.00.70 on my Windows 7 computer and see what I can discover myself.

As far as doing a trouble report, don't even try using Garmin's online trouble reporting page. It's a disaster. Just send an email to:

ProductSupport@Garmin.com

and explain the problem in your own words. Don't get rude or nasty because these folks don't write the stuff. They're the poor souls who have to deal directly with the irate public when the developers turn loose problems like this.

...ken...
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