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Review: Microsoft Streets and Trips
SpadesFlush
To expand on and to illustrate my observations above regarding GPX data, please see the attached sample.

It shows latitude, longitude, elevation (aggregate whatever that is and non-aggregate), number of satellites (aggregate and non), and a date and time stamp, and deviation from GMT.

Although we know that S&T's GPS fixes are nominally 1 Herz, the time stamps show some irregularity and there are not always 60 fixes per minute.

So, what's omitted?
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RsH
What happens if you IMPORT a GPX track from another GPS unit and examine it? From my attempts at this the time information is NOT imported, so that you lose that part of the data and cannot determine or compare the time for travel as computed by S&T to the actual time traveled per the GPS record.
SpadesFlush
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What happens if you IMPORT a GPX track from another GPS unit and examine it? From my attempts at this the time information is NOT imported, so that you lose that part of the data and cannot determine or compare the time for travel as computed by S&T to the actual time traveled per the GPS record.
Ah, now that's another issue! Your software obviously does not import all that information. Besides opening the GPX file in Excel, I would not know what other software will do what you want.
RsH
I am talking about Streets and Trips importing all that data... Try RouteConverter to see software that does indeed import it all and maps it too.
SpadesFlush
It has been long established that there S&T does not import all data in GPX or other files. This has been a development wishlist item for several years now but, once again, I believe it has not appeared in the latest release.

It is nice to know that there is at least one app out there, RouteConverter, that imports this data as you say. I have downloaded RouteConverter, but I don't really get it although I am happy to take your word for it.
flannigan
Spades Flush:
Does your "but I don't really get it" mean you were not able to use it ?
I ask because I'm sure you are more of an expert with that.
Thanks,
Mike Flannigan
SpadesFlush
I deny any expertise...vehemently!

I was able to open RouteConverter but with spotty results. For instance, it did not seem to 'see' some GPX files that I know are there although it did see some. And I could not get it to deal with GPS Trails (it calls them "Tracks" I think) in a GPX file the way Bob says it does. I want to play around with it more as time permits before I develop any firm conclusions.
flannigan
Thanks for taking your time to explain this.
Mike Flannigan
winwaed
Another possible new feature:

MapPoint 2013 (so I assume S&T 2013) support multi-touch including, pinch-zoom. It is possible earlier versions did this, but this is the first time I've installed it on a touch-capable device with Win8 (Pro).

Works fine in Win8. You can start it in "Metro" but it switches to the 'classic' view. The biggest problem is finding the application after it is installed. That is a Windows 8 problem (not S&T/MapPoint) and Microsoft are proving to be remarkably tone deaf to the chorus of demands to fix it.
Marvin Hlavac
Richard, my Fujitsu T4310 has a multi-touch screen. Version 2011 already allowed zooming in and out with two fingers. :-)

I haven't yet played with Windows 8 myself. I'm eager to find out more details about the upcoming Microsoft tablet, to see if it would suit my needs. If yes, that may be my future Win 8 machine. I would rather not go through the process of upgrading my existing PC's OS, unless I decide not to buy a new tablet any time soon.
SpadesFlush
With regard to S&T vs. RouteConverter, I really want to acknowledge RsH's expertise and leadership on the subject of RouteConverter. He has been providing advice and advocacy on that app on this forum for years now. I would strongly suggest that anyone interested should do a forum search for "RouteConverter" and go back over what he has been saying.

As for my impressions/reactions, I must first disqualify myself somewhat by pointing out that I have been using it for less than 24 hours. Nonetheless, I can see some benefits for users, including S&T users, who want to go beyond just a superficial use of routing programs. It definitely does things that serious users of S&T have been asking to be incorporated therein. For instance, we have been baying for years to be able to combine routes into one EST file without response. This is doable with RouteConverter where you can combine routes. one can also export GPX files from RouteConverter that it calls "Tracks" that can be imported into S&T and S&T will import multiple Tracks which it shows as blue lines connecting the data points of each separate track. These are NOT GPS trails as created by S&T in nav mode but they look a little like them. Once they are in S&T, they, like GPS Trails do not seem to be editable. And S&T can still only deal with one route per EST file at a time, so any route combining you might want to undertake must be done in RouteConverter before creating a GPX file to be imported into S&T.

There are a few things about RouteConverter that should be mentioned. When you go to the website, there are a few different ways of getting the app. There seems to be a Java web version but I could not get it to open on my PC; it may have something to do with my security settings. Although my PC is 64-bit, the 64-bit version of RouteConverter would not open maps so I wound up running the 32-bit version. Certainly, RouteConverter does not have much of the corporate polish of a finished application the way S&T does.

You need to be a bit careful if you are using POIs and/or pushpins. Any pushpins that are on a map when a GPX is exported from S&T will show up as a waypoint in RouteConverter and in the order they are in from S&T. As RouteConverter does not filter out pushpins they all become part of a Route or Track when converted in RouteConverter. On the other hand, the list of waypoints can easily be edited with deletes and re-ordering.

Finally, S&T's GPS Trail with it's fine-grain detail is not be confused with RouteConverter's "Track" which deals only with waypoints derived from either routes and/or pushpins if imported from S&T.

Again, these views are based on relatively limited use of the app; RsH is the real pro.
SpadesFlush
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I would rather not go through the process of upgrading my existing PC's OS, unless I decide not to buy a new tablet any time soon.
I have much sympathy with that approach.
joshuals
I was skimming down through the comments as I haven't downloaded 2013 yet.

I saw some comments/questions regarding transfer of gpx files from S&T to MapSource and an error message stating that MapSource could not read the file....

This has been a known issue. There is a string in the file that S&T exports that MapSource does not recognize, as follows:

<time>Invalid DateTime-07:00</time> (It may be slightly different depending on your time zone)

It occurs numerous times in the exported file.

What I have done as a workaround is, after exporting the gpx from S&T, open the gpx file in Notepad. In Notepad, type ctrl+H to open the search and replace dialog. Enter the string above in the "find" box, and nothing in the "repalce" box, then click "replace all". Save the revised gpx file.

MapSource will then be able to read the file.

I'm hoping this is fixed in S&T 2013......
Marvin Hlavac
Hi Joshua, and welcome to the forum. So you are saying all is OK as long all instances of

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<time>Invalid DateTime-07:00</time>
are removed. Thanks for the tip!

I wonder if removing the line completely from the next version could have some negative impact on anything at all. If not, removing the line would prevent people from having these issues.
flannigan
Josh:
Thanks for the tip. I tried it several times and got the same error message.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it just doesn't work.
It would seem to me that Microsoft apparently has known about this error and just doesn't want to fix it ???
Thanks again,
Mike Flannigan
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