Having just downloaded the new Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010 I was excited about having the ability to export a ROUTE to my Garmin Nuvi 760. I created the route in Streets & Trips, then clicked on the route in the map screen and selected Send Route to GPS device. All seemed to go well, with the Garmin Communicator software indicating that the route had been transferred successfully.
My problem is I can't find the route on the Nuvi. All of the 'stops' appear in my list of favorites but I was expecting to be able to go to Tools - My Data - Import Route from File and the Streets & Trips route would be listed there, probably using the filename I had used when I saved the route in Streets & Trips. A route by that name isn't here however.
Does Streets & Trips export the whole route or just the stops? If it exports the route how does one find and use it on the Nuvi?
I guess I was looking for something similar to the 'send route to GPS' function in Mapquest, for example.
My problem is I can't find the route on the Nuvi. All of the 'stops' appear in my list of favorites but I was expecting to be able to go to Tools - My Data - Import Route from File and the Streets & Trips route would be listed there, probably using the filename I had used when I saved the route in Streets & Trips. A route by that name isn't here however.
Does Streets & Trips export the whole route or just the stops? If it exports the route how does one find and use it on the Nuvi?
I guess I was looking for something similar to the 'send route to GPS' function in Mapquest, for example.
The route should already be available without having to mess with any files. It should be in your saved routes list.
On your Nuvi you should be able to do something like this ... tap "Where To?", tap "Routes" (I'm using the Mobile PC commands but the Nuvi should be similar) and you should get a list of your saved routes. If you haven't ever saved any then the route from Streets&Trips will be the only one in the list.
...ken...
On your Nuvi you should be able to do something like this ... tap "Where To?", tap "Routes" (I'm using the Mobile PC commands but the Nuvi should be similar) and you should get a list of your saved routes. If you haven't ever saved any then the route from Streets&Trips will be the only one in the list.
...ken...
Thanks Ken, I have a number of saved routes so I'm familiar with how the Nuvi handles them. You always have to go into Tools - My Data - Import Route from File and import the downloaded route before you can access it from Where To? - Routes.
With using Microsoft Streets and Trips, I right click on a road in the calculated route which is what the Help file instructs, and select 'Send Route to GPS device'. S&T reports that all the 'locations' in my route have been successfully transferred to the Nuvi. S&T never asks for a route file name and all the 'stops' in my route appear in the Nuvi's list of 'Favorites'. The only thing missing seems to be the actual ROUTE.
What I think really happens it that, unlike Mapquest or Mapsource, Streets & Trips doesn't really transfer the route but only the 'stops'. Once the stops are on the Nuvi as 'Favorites' it's easy enough to make an actual route using either the Nuvi or Mapsource. I guess I was expecting more out of the command 'send ROUTE to GPS device' than what is actually happening. On the other hand I maybe totally wrong which is why I posted my question.
With using Microsoft Streets and Trips, I right click on a road in the calculated route which is what the Help file instructs, and select 'Send Route to GPS device'. S&T reports that all the 'locations' in my route have been successfully transferred to the Nuvi. S&T never asks for a route file name and all the 'stops' in my route appear in the Nuvi's list of 'Favorites'. The only thing missing seems to be the actual ROUTE.
What I think really happens it that, unlike Mapquest or Mapsource, Streets & Trips doesn't really transfer the route but only the 'stops'. Once the stops are on the Nuvi as 'Favorites' it's easy enough to make an actual route using either the Nuvi or Mapsource. I guess I was expecting more out of the command 'send ROUTE to GPS device' than what is actually happening. On the other hand I maybe totally wrong which is why I posted my question.
Your explanation jibes with what RsH has been seeing in the GPX files exported from S&T. Sounds like you are probably right about just the waypoints (stops) getting transferred rather than a complete route.
I'll try it with my Legend but first I need to make sure I've got the waypoints and routes saved in Mapsource. Then I'll clear everything off the Legend so I can see exactly what S&T puts there.
I wonder if it would work to export the route from Streets&Trips, copy the GPX file to the Nuvi's SD card and Import Route From File on the Nuvi?
...ken...
I'll try it with my Legend but first I need to make sure I've got the waypoints and routes saved in Mapsource. Then I'll clear everything off the Legend so I can see exactly what S&T puts there.
I wonder if it would work to export the route from Streets&Trips, copy the GPX file to the Nuvi's SD card and Import Route From File on the Nuvi?
...ken...
Okay, I cleared everything off the Legend, created a route between two locations in Streets&Trips and sent it to the Legend. It only transfers the waypoints (stops). It does not transfer the route.
That's no surprise. It looks like it's using Garmin's Communicator and I think it's only capable of transfering waypoints and not much else.
The first clue that it's only transfering waypoints is the text in the MSN Direct window:
Second clue is the text in the next MSN window:
The other thing I did was to export the route to a GPX file and open it in Mapsource. I just had two waypoints in the route, the starting point and the ending point. Because of the way S&T creates the route file you get a direct line between the two in Mapsource, as if you had created an "offroad" route. So all I did was recalculate the route in Mapsource and I had a complete route that I was able to transfer to the Legend so it had a proper usable route.
I tried copying the S&T GPX file to the SD card in the Legend and importing the route that way but there is no function on the Legend to do that so that didn't work for me.
The simplest thing for me, if I ever wanted to use S&T 2010 to plan routes would be to plan the route in S&T, export to GPX, open in Mapsource, recalculate and transfer the working route to the Legend.
An interesting side issue... The route S&T chose was 910km. The route in Mapsource is 771km using "shortest" and 789km using "quickest". I couldn't find a way to force it to use the same route as S&T without inserting some additional points. That's interesting because I used City Navigator North America 2010 which should be using the same Navteq 2009 data as S&T 2010.
So that's what I know at this point.
...ken...
That's no surprise. It looks like it's using Garmin's Communicator and I think it's only capable of transfering waypoints and not much else.
The first clue that it's only transfering waypoints is the text in the MSN Direct window:
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Your GPS device has been detected and your locations are ready to be transferred.
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Unplug your device, and when your GPS device restarts your locations will be available.
I tried copying the S&T GPX file to the SD card in the Legend and importing the route that way but there is no function on the Legend to do that so that didn't work for me.
The simplest thing for me, if I ever wanted to use S&T 2010 to plan routes would be to plan the route in S&T, export to GPX, open in Mapsource, recalculate and transfer the working route to the Legend.
An interesting side issue... The route S&T chose was 910km. The route in Mapsource is 771km using "shortest" and 789km using "quickest". I couldn't find a way to force it to use the same route as S&T without inserting some additional points. That's interesting because I used City Navigator North America 2010 which should be using the same Navteq 2009 data as S&T 2010.
So that's what I know at this point.
...ken...
From what I've seen the small portable navigation devices, I have the Garmin C550, are only capable of A to B scenarios and not the A to B to C to D.
The advantage that I see for being able to transfer the data from Streets and Trips is not having to put all the stops in with the small portable device which is very time consuming. It's basically a short cut which I think is a great idea.
The advantage that I see for being able to transfer the data from Streets and Trips is not having to put all the stops in with the small portable device which is very time consuming. It's basically a short cut which I think is a great idea.
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
That's no surprise. It looks like it's using Garmin's Communicator and I think it's only capable of transfering waypoints and not much else.
...ken...
...ken...
I would point out that Garmin Communicator is totally capable of transferring a complete route from Mapquest, and I think Google Maps although I don't use Google at lot, that appears on the Nuvi under Where To? - Routes after it is 'imported. Streets & Trips is so much more powerful and easy to use compared to these web based products I was hoping that 'transfer route to GPS device' was actually that. Oh well one step at a time, maybe in 2011. Being able to transfer the waypoints is a big step forward.
Perhaps later today I'll test to ensure that my Legend will accept the detailed route file from Mapsource. I've transfered a couple of simple routes and they worked well. But this one might be different. The Mapsource-generated GPX file for the route was huge compared to the one from S&T. When I looked inside it it was obvious why. The Mapsource-generated file had many many route segments -- hundreds of them -- to cover the nearly 800km of roads between the start and destination. As we now know the S&T file only has the stops, in this case just the start and end "stops".
I understand the power of S&T for complex route planning. I mostly use Mapsource because mine is usually point A to point B route and maybe toss in a Via or two just to force it to go through a place I want to see. But when a friend of mine wants to plot the optimized route for his residential snow removal business when the first winter snow falls it's Streets that gets the workout. I can just take the spreadsheet with the addresses in it, load it into Streets, tell it to give me an optimized route and print it out for him.
Big_Dave, I would expect that most of Garmin's handhelds are quite capable of handling A to B to C to D scenarios. All of the Nuvis can. My eTrex Legend HCx can, so I'm going to assume that any current generation eTrex (Venture, Vista, etc.) can. I know the GPSMAPs (60 and 76) can. My only question at this point is just how much A to B to ... to Z can it handle? Will it handle anything I can throw at it from Mapsource? I'll test later today.
...ken...
I understand the power of S&T for complex route planning. I mostly use Mapsource because mine is usually point A to point B route and maybe toss in a Via or two just to force it to go through a place I want to see. But when a friend of mine wants to plot the optimized route for his residential snow removal business when the first winter snow falls it's Streets that gets the workout. I can just take the spreadsheet with the addresses in it, load it into Streets, tell it to give me an optimized route and print it out for him.
Big_Dave, I would expect that most of Garmin's handhelds are quite capable of handling A to B to C to D scenarios. All of the Nuvis can. My eTrex Legend HCx can, so I'm going to assume that any current generation eTrex (Venture, Vista, etc.) can. I know the GPSMAPs (60 and 76) can. My only question at this point is just how much A to B to ... to Z can it handle? Will it handle anything I can throw at it from Mapsource? I'll test later today.
...ken...
The Nuvi 200C does not do vias at all but the 750 will do multiple vias. I have never tested how many though.
Terry
Terry
Ken, I used your suggestion about saving my S&T route as a GPX file and loading it up in Mapsource. It worked perfectly!
This particular route totals 1482 miles (one way) with a total of 8 stops. The single recalculation in Mapsource was all the downloaded data needed to complete the route exactly as I had compiled it in S&T. Once downloaded from Mapsource to my Nuvi 760 I could import it and use it from Where To? - Routes.
This particular route totals 1482 miles (one way) with a total of 8 stops. The single recalculation in Mapsource was all the downloaded data needed to complete the route exactly as I had compiled it in S&T. Once downloaded from Mapsource to my Nuvi 760 I could import it and use it from Where To? - Routes.
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The Nuvi 200C does not do vias at all but the 750 will do multiple vias. I have never tested how many though.
Terry
Terry
Waypoints/Favorites/Locations: 500
Routes: 10
Internal Tracklog: 10000 points
The limit of 10 routes is not an issue as it means that you can load as many routes as storage on the Nuvi will allow, but only 10 are useable at any one time.
Okay I downloaded a complex multipoint 900km route to my eTrex Legend HCx and it has no problem handling it. I used at least a dozen specific points (aka "stops" in Streets) and it eats it up without a hiccup.
One interesting thing is that it does require a recalculation of the route the first time you use it after downloading it. After that it only needs to recalculate it if you change something in the route or the route preferences.
I discovered something else when I was playing with the route. My eTrex Legend HCx will do a 3D display just like the Nuvis do. Neat!!
...ken...
One interesting thing is that it does require a recalculation of the route the first time you use it after downloading it. After that it only needs to recalculate it if you change something in the route or the route preferences.
I discovered something else when I was playing with the route. My eTrex Legend HCx will do a 3D display just like the Nuvis do. Neat!!
...ken...
A member over at POI-Factory.com has discovered that if you use the MSN Direct option to send a route to your Nuvi from S&T 2010 THE ROUTE is sent, not just the waypoints. In addition the route is immediately available without the normal additional step on the Nuvi or importing it after it's downloaded.
So, Microsoft had done it to use again.
I downloaded the trial version and then thought I was sending a route to my Garmin 465T but it only sent the waypoints/favorites. I was sending via the USB cable and yes, I did select the second option of sending the route. So, looks like I will continue to use GPSBabel since it works correctly and sends the route. Ideas?
I only had 5 routes in my 465T and it will handle 15.
I downloaded the trial version and then thought I was sending a route to my Garmin 465T but it only sent the waypoints/favorites. I was sending via the USB cable and yes, I did select the second option of sending the route. So, looks like I will continue to use GPSBabel since it works correctly and sends the route. Ideas?
I only had 5 routes in my 465T and it will handle 15.
I found this page which gives a little info on exporting the actual route:
How to send route points to your Garmin Nuvi - Windows Live
Hope it helps - I'm trying it now, but not sure if it'll work on my 200w because it doesn't even have a "My Data" selection from the tools menu.
How to send route points to your Garmin Nuvi - Windows Live
Hope it helps - I'm trying it now, but not sure if it'll work on my 200w because it doesn't even have a "My Data" selection from the tools menu.
Malaki, your GPS does not support routes.
Actually, I think I killed the stupid thing...
I copied the file to the GPX folder, just like it said. Unplugged it from the computer and now it won't boot up - it gets stuck on the "Loading Maps" screen. At one point it did come up with a full page warning that said something along the lines of "No detail maps can be located". I plugged it back into the computer and still have nothing - the computer doesn't even see it now...
Time to call Garmin...
I copied the file to the GPX folder, just like it said. Unplugged it from the computer and now it won't boot up - it gets stuck on the "Loading Maps" screen. At one point it did come up with a full page warning that said something along the lines of "No detail maps can be located". I plugged it back into the computer and still have nothing - the computer doesn't even see it now...
Time to call Garmin...
Yup - I killed it. Garmin doesn't think it was the file I uploaded - they think when I disconnected the unit from the laptop it may have surged the power in it just enough to wipe the on-board memory... $69 for a repair for it. I may just trash it (it's just over 2 years old now and was only $200 new) and get a new one.
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Originally Posted by malaki86
I found this page which gives a little info on exporting the actual route:
As has been mentioned in various threads about the new GPX capabilities of Streets, it does not export the actual route, only the route points.
Let me illustrate. First, here's the relevant portion of the GPX file that Streets exports for a short route:
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<rte> <rtept lat="50.4863338172436" lon="-104.643798060715"> <name>Dalgliesh Dr, Regina SK</name> </rtept> <rtept lat="50.4769691359252" lon="-104.57678466104"> <name>Hodsman Rd, Regina SK</name> </rtept> </rte>
Now here's what Garmin's Mapsource program exports when you ask it to export the same route:
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<rte> <name>Dalgliesh Dr to Mcdonald St N</name> <extensions> <gpxx:RouteExtension xmlns:gpxx="http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensions/v3"> <gpxx:IsAutoNamed>true</gpxx:IsAutoNamed> <gpxx:DisplayColor>Magenta</gpxx:DisplayColor> </gpxx:RouteExtension> </extensions> <rtept lat="50.4861104" lon="-104.6440523"> <time>2009-10-09T03:46:28Z</time> <name>Dalgliesh Dr</name> <cmt>Dalgliesh Dr</cmt> <desc>Dalgliesh Dr</desc> <sym>Waypoint</sym> <extensions> <gpxx:RoutePointExtension xmlns:gpxx="http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensions/v3"> <gpxx:Subclass>0600DD487B00A5CD010001802200110E0000</gpxx:Subclass> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4861104" lon="-104.6440523"> <gpxx:Subclass>0600DD487B00A5CD010021160000FC050E00</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4863405" lon="-104.6437454"> <gpxx:Subclass>0600DD487B00A5CD01001F000600AC949B00</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4876280" lon="-104.6437454"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4876280" lon="-104.6437454"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4890871" lon="-104.6437454"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4894304" lon="-104.6437454"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4896879" lon="-104.6437454"> <gpxx:Subclass>0600DD487B0095D801001F0206006B944900</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4896879" lon="-104.6412992"> <gpxx:Subclass>0500DD487B00A88606001F02060084940001</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4896879" lon="-104.6412992"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4847097" lon="-104.6412992"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4844093" lon="-104.6412992"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4841948" lon="-104.6412992"> <gpxx:Subclass>0500DD487B00D08806001F261600FBD80900</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4841948" lon="-104.6409988"> <gpxx:Subclass>0500DD487B00D88606001F00160020D99802</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4842377" lon="-104.6404839"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4850531" lon="-104.6327162"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4850960" lon="-104.6325445"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4856110" lon="-104.6276093"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4856110" lon="-104.6276093"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4859114" lon="-104.6243906"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4860401" lon="-104.6233606"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4864264" lon="-104.6188974"> <gpxx:Subclass>0200DD487B006A7407001F001800610A4D01</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4864264" lon="-104.6185541"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4864264" lon="-104.6182108"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4865122" lon="-104.6076536"> <gpxx:Subclass>0200DD487B00567107001F001800430A7803</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4865122" lon="-104.6064949"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4865122" lon="-104.6046066"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4863834" lon="-104.6028900"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4861689" lon="-104.6015167"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4859114" lon="-104.6005297"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4856539" lon="-104.5998859"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4856539" lon="-104.5998859"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4853106" lon="-104.5989418"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4848385" lon="-104.5980835"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4826069" lon="-104.5946503"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4826069" lon="-104.5946503"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4812336" lon="-104.5925903"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4797316" lon="-104.5902300"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4793453" lon="-104.5896721"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4782724" lon="-104.5878696"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4763412" lon="-104.5836210"> <gpxx:Subclass>0900DD487B006D7207001F8A1800320A7C00</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4745817" lon="-104.5805311"> <gpxx:Subclass>0900DD487B006D7207001F2616001CD81A00</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4745817" lon="-104.5805311"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4742384" lon="-104.5798016"> <gpxx:Subclass>0300DD487B00D9FA06001F00170065892500</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4744959" lon="-104.5795441"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4746675" lon="-104.5793295"/> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4748821" lon="-104.5791149"> <gpxx:Subclass>0300DD487B006DF706001F00170076891200</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4751825" lon="-104.5787287"> <gpxx:Subclass>0300DD487B006DF706001F0017002D891F00</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> <gpxx:rpt lat="50.4757347" lon="-104.5781766"> <gpxx:Subclass>0300DD487B006DF706002117000031000000</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:rpt> </gpxx:RoutePointExtension> </extensions> </rtept> <rtept lat="50.4757348" lon="-104.5781766"> <time>2009-10-09T03:47:30Z</time> <name>Mcdonald St N</name> <cmt>McDonald St N</cmt> <desc>McDonald St N</desc> <sym>Waypoint</sym> <extensions> <gpxx:RoutePointExtension xmlns:gpxx="http://www.garmin.com/xmlschemas/GpxExtensions/v3"> <gpxx:Subclass>0300DD487B006DF7060001800100811E0000</gpxx:Subclass> </gpxx:RoutePointExtension> </extensions> </rtept> </rte>
Specifically, the Streets export file does not provide the route it calculated. It doesn't provide a usable route at all, only the points in the route. The route has to be recalculated by the receiving program or device and may not be exactly the same as what Streets calculated.
The full route file, as exported by Mapsource, is the exact route as calculated by Mapsource. Any other program or device that can use the full detailed route file will follow it exactly as originally calculated.
Just for the record, Streets also won't import a full detailed route file. It will only import the route points, so you can't necessarily duplicate a route that was calculated in another program or device. You have to get Streets to recalculate it. It might create an identical route and it might not.
Disclaimer: This is not a criticism of Streets&Trips GPX capabilities, just a tutorial so people will have correct expectations of what it will and won't do regarding Route Import/Export.
...ken...
Ken, what you say is obviously true. However, if I create a route in S&T 2010 and Export to GPX I put it in the Garmin GPX folder. Then I go to My Data and import that route. Then I call up that route and it shows the map of the route. If the Garmin calculates the route I don't care as I have seen how the route goes in S&T and have put in enough points to make it route where I want it to go. Still much easier than creating the route in the Garmin.
The chances are the device receiving the list of waypoints in this format is quite capable of creating its own route. As has been stated before, that might not be the same route in a complex trip. However, I think that is the exception, not the rule. Although the 2 devices may (or may not) use the same map data, I would want the final device to do the routing. What it needs is the list of stops in the correct order and instructions that it is a route, not a collection of waypoints. the basic gpx export appears to perform that function.
Terry
Terry
As I said, that post was not intended as a criticism. It's simply important that people who want to use that feature have appropriate expectations.
Anyone who only wants to use Streets for planning and then transfer the Start, Stops and End points to another program or device so they don't have to enter them again will be very happy with the feature. This is probably the majority of people who will use it.
Anyone who wants to be able to share an exact route without having to add enough extra Stops in it to force it to work properly on any possible routing calculation will be a little disappointed. They're going to have to insert enough Stops in Streets to ensure that whatever program or device it goes into will reproduce the same route.
I'm just saying....
...ken...
Anyone who only wants to use Streets for planning and then transfer the Start, Stops and End points to another program or device so they don't have to enter them again will be very happy with the feature. This is probably the majority of people who will use it.
Anyone who wants to be able to share an exact route without having to add enough extra Stops in it to force it to work properly on any possible routing calculation will be a little disappointed. They're going to have to insert enough Stops in Streets to ensure that whatever program or device it goes into will reproduce the same route.
I'm just saying....
...ken...
Okay somewhat new to forums but I know enough to research my question and hopefully not force anyone to repeat what has been stated.
However after weeks of trying to get an answer through Garmin and Microsoft and various web based searches I am still at a loss.
Garmin Nuvi 255 and 270 series. MIcrosoft Streets & Trips 2010. I optimize a multi stop route, export to .GPX file and load into the Garmin via MS Live, POI, Mapsource, Direct to device, via SD card. No matter what it takes the optimized order and re-orders it either by numeric or alpha. Mapsource wil recalculate but if its end result is considered "optimal" then I might as well go back to pencil and manual route sheets. It does not take direct roads to a location, it goes past a stop or around the block.
Any help beyond what is already on this site would be much appreciated.
I think your biggest problem is that you have 2 Nuvi devices that don't support multi point routes. So what your loading to the Nuvis in the GPX files are really just waypoints. Waypoints on a Nuvi will only be shown in distance order from your present location.
There a couple of quirks in Garmin's routing and in Streets&Trips placing of waypoints that might be having an impact.
First, as you have already discovered, Garmin's devices never use the route as it was transferred to them. They always recalculate. Always. Even if you calculate a perfect route on Mapsource and transfer it to either of your Nuvis, the Nuvis will just recalculate it again anyway. Sometimes they'll give the same results. Sometimes not.
But that's not one of the quirks I want to mention.
First, Garmin's routing calculations will always try to put you on the correct side of the street if you are navigating to anything containing an address (address search, Favorite with an address, POI, etc.). Sometimes that means taking you off the intuitively most direct route past that stop and shuttling you around the block so you get to that stop on the correct side of the street for stopping/parking.
Second, Streets&Trips has the odd habit of sticking "route point" locations near, but not exactly at, the actual address.
If you do some address searches and save the results as pushpins, then select a few of those pushpins to use in a multi-stop route, take a look very closely (zoom in really tight) at the actual stop location (yellow block) on the map and you will see that sometimes it is not exactly at the pushpin location. Depending on where it actually put the stop location, this can have an effect on how the route will be calculated when transferred to a Garmin device.
Another thing to consider is whether you have identical routing preferences set in the source program (e.g. Streets&Trips) and the target device (Mapsource or Nuvi). This is not easy and it's so not intuitive. Garmin's preferences are relatively obvious (shorter time, shorter distance, Avoid: u-turns, toll roads, limited access roads, etc.). But Streets&Trips has a bunch of sliders that default to the middle and aren't especially obvious about what they'll actually do if you move them either way. What is clear from my experience is that the default middle setting is nothing like the defaults Garmin provides in the time/distance and Avoid settings.
I know you probably wanted a simple solution rather than a long-winded description of things that might be causing the problem, but without a lot more detail, including exact examples of the waypoints, it's not possible. I have Streets&Trips 2010 and a Nuvi 765T so I could look at a specific example if you wanted.
If your Nuvi models don't fully support multi-point routes (e.g. routes with Vias), as was mentioned, that's a whole other issue, too. Many Nuvi models do not.
...ken...
First, as you have already discovered, Garmin's devices never use the route as it was transferred to them. They always recalculate. Always. Even if you calculate a perfect route on Mapsource and transfer it to either of your Nuvis, the Nuvis will just recalculate it again anyway. Sometimes they'll give the same results. Sometimes not.
But that's not one of the quirks I want to mention.
First, Garmin's routing calculations will always try to put you on the correct side of the street if you are navigating to anything containing an address (address search, Favorite with an address, POI, etc.). Sometimes that means taking you off the intuitively most direct route past that stop and shuttling you around the block so you get to that stop on the correct side of the street for stopping/parking.
Second, Streets&Trips has the odd habit of sticking "route point" locations near, but not exactly at, the actual address.
If you do some address searches and save the results as pushpins, then select a few of those pushpins to use in a multi-stop route, take a look very closely (zoom in really tight) at the actual stop location (yellow block) on the map and you will see that sometimes it is not exactly at the pushpin location. Depending on where it actually put the stop location, this can have an effect on how the route will be calculated when transferred to a Garmin device.
Another thing to consider is whether you have identical routing preferences set in the source program (e.g. Streets&Trips) and the target device (Mapsource or Nuvi). This is not easy and it's so not intuitive. Garmin's preferences are relatively obvious (shorter time, shorter distance, Avoid: u-turns, toll roads, limited access roads, etc.). But Streets&Trips has a bunch of sliders that default to the middle and aren't especially obvious about what they'll actually do if you move them either way. What is clear from my experience is that the default middle setting is nothing like the defaults Garmin provides in the time/distance and Avoid settings.
I know you probably wanted a simple solution rather than a long-winded description of things that might be causing the problem, but without a lot more detail, including exact examples of the waypoints, it's not possible. I have Streets&Trips 2010 and a Nuvi 765T so I could look at a specific example if you wanted.
If your Nuvi models don't fully support multi-point routes (e.g. routes with Vias), as was mentioned, that's a whole other issue, too. Many Nuvi models do not.
...ken...
This is great site for an information junkie (which is me!!).
I'm a newbie. I just bought my first GPS - Garmin Nuvi 855 for several reasons - accepts voice commands, adding Streets & Trips files and use it for geocaching. This is my retirement gift to me to keep my brain working
This is my first post (newbie at this also.) Anyway, after this preamble, thanks to the leads I actually managed to load a .gpx file onto the 855 last night and got a simulated drive (its amazing what these things can do). This morning I goofed and removed the data from the route so will try again tomorrow and report back on how the gps worked with the .gpx file.
Again, As an aside, I initially used the information from this site to set up my netbook (Acer) with S&T & GPS but quickly decided that I didn't want to use the netbook in the car. Then I used the site to explore whether I could follow through using Streets & Trips with an automotive GPS. I have also used the site to understand Garmin's broad range of maps and licensing restrictions. (Didn't I say I was an information junkie!!)
So
I'm a newbie. I just bought my first GPS - Garmin Nuvi 855 for several reasons - accepts voice commands, adding Streets & Trips files and use it for geocaching. This is my retirement gift to me to keep my brain working
This is my first post (newbie at this also.) Anyway, after this preamble, thanks to the leads I actually managed to load a .gpx file onto the 855 last night and got a simulated drive (its amazing what these things can do). This morning I goofed and removed the data from the route so will try again tomorrow and report back on how the gps worked with the .gpx file.
Again, As an aside, I initially used the information from this site to set up my netbook (Acer) with S&T & GPS but quickly decided that I didn't want to use the netbook in the car. Then I used the site to explore whether I could follow through using Streets & Trips with an automotive GPS. I have also used the site to understand Garmin's broad range of maps and licensing restrictions. (Didn't I say I was an information junkie!!)
So
Hi Jax, :welcome: to Laptop GPS World. It's good to have you here.
Thanks for the feedback, Jax. It's very helpful to know not just that folks are benefiting from the site but also getting an idea of how they are benefiting. It's especially useful when it comes from folks like yourself who found most everything they needed just by reading. Sometimes those of us who are active on the site forget just what a knowledge base gets built up in these discussions over time.
For what it's worth, I've been trying to make my laptop or my netbook work for me in the car but it's just too intrusive for us. So I continue to use a personal navigation device. I just bought a Nuvi 765T a few weeks ago and I'm still exploring its possibilities. I've managed to move my ~200 waypoints to it. I like that it supports multiple categories for each waypoint and also that I can get addresses and a phone number into it.
I've also loaded a whack of custom POIs into it (golf courses in Western Canada, Superstore gas bars in Western Canada, Ikeas in North America, etc.). Now that I know how to do that I'm going to take a look at the POI Megafile and see if I can get it into the Nuvi and Mobile PC.
But first I'm going to upgrade my desktop from WinXP to Win7 this weekend.
...ken...
For what it's worth, I've been trying to make my laptop or my netbook work for me in the car but it's just too intrusive for us. So I continue to use a personal navigation device. I just bought a Nuvi 765T a few weeks ago and I'm still exploring its possibilities. I've managed to move my ~200 waypoints to it. I like that it supports multiple categories for each waypoint and also that I can get addresses and a phone number into it.
I've also loaded a whack of custom POIs into it (golf courses in Western Canada, Superstore gas bars in Western Canada, Ikeas in North America, etc.). Now that I know how to do that I'm going to take a look at the POI Megafile and see if I can get it into the Nuvi and Mobile PC.
But first I'm going to upgrade my desktop from WinXP to Win7 this weekend.
...ken...
Upgrading from XP to Win 7 is child's play compared to putting custom POIs in Mobile PC.
Terry
Terry
Well, here's what happened on the way to work. The imported Streets & Trips worked just dandy (voice prompts and all) until I detoured from the route. The last I heard from the Nuvi was "recalculating"!! So it seems with the 855 it is possible to import a route and have the file work nicely but one deviation from the route and the Nuvi doesn't know what to do. What can one say, it is a computer after all.
I recently upgraded from Vista to Windows 7 and wondered if all my maps and connections would work. They have, like a charm. I much prefer Windows 7 to Vista.
Lastly, this information junkie missed the part in the 855 specifications that says it is not geo-caching friendly. I'm not daunted. I've downloaded a couple of local caches to try out.
I'm heading to Sedona in May - lots of route planning and POI's to explore and add.
Cheers
I recently upgraded from Vista to Windows 7 and wondered if all my maps and connections would work. They have, like a charm. I much prefer Windows 7 to Vista.
Lastly, this information junkie missed the part in the 855 specifications that says it is not geo-caching friendly. I'm not daunted. I've downloaded a couple of local caches to try out.
I'm heading to Sedona in May - lots of route planning and POI's to explore and add.
Cheers
Although probably off topic here, you will find that one of the bigger problems with using any Nuvi for geocaching is that it does not tolerate getting wet, so be very careful to protect the device at all times.
Good point t923347 - I know motorcyclists always use the Garmin Zumos. They are "vibration-tested, waterproof and built with fuel-resistant plastics to withstand the elements" - check 'em out: Garmin Zumo.
Thanks for the heads up.
Jax
Jax
Jax,
Re: the "recalculating", that's exactly what the Nuvi is supposed to do. Once you deviate from the route it has to figure out a new way to get you to your destination. It has no choice. Streets&Trips will do the same thing. I'm not sure what you would expect it to do in such a situation??
The other thing about geocaching with a Nuvi (except the 5xx models that have features designed for it) is that they don't make it easy to carry the cache info along with you. You either need the information printed out on paper or carry it in a PDA or laptop. Or you need to figure out how to get them loaded into the Nuvi as custom POIs.
...ken...
Re: the "recalculating", that's exactly what the Nuvi is supposed to do. Once you deviate from the route it has to figure out a new way to get you to your destination. It has no choice. Streets&Trips will do the same thing. I'm not sure what you would expect it to do in such a situation??
The other thing about geocaching with a Nuvi (except the 5xx models that have features designed for it) is that they don't make it easy to carry the cache info along with you. You either need the information printed out on paper or carry it in a PDA or laptop. Or you need to figure out how to get them loaded into the Nuvi as custom POIs.
...ken...
Why are the GPX files different sometimes. Sometimes only 1 row, and will not import in Garmin, and other times multi-rows and import perfect?
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Originally Posted by viper209
Why are the GPX files different sometimes. Sometimes only 1 row, and will not import in Garmin, and other times multi-rows and import perfect?
...ken...
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