Does anyone know if Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010 still allows you to install it on 3 PC's.
Thanks
Bob
Thanks
Bob
I think the previous version allows 2 PC, a desktop and a laptop for the same owner (and not three pc). But somebody can correct me if i am wrong...
The policy in S&T is the same as in previous versions. One "licensed device," plus an additional "portable device."
This question comes up every year:
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/152-possible-put-ms-streets-trips-two-my-computers
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/933-streets-trips-2009-how-many-installations-allowed
The EULA can be accessed through Help-About, then "Microsoft software license terms."
This question comes up every year:
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/152-possible-put-ms-streets-trips-two-my-computers
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/933-streets-trips-2009-how-many-installations-allowed
The EULA can be accessed through Help-About, then "Microsoft software license terms."
Just curious, what happens if you replace your laptop or PC?
You can call in after the activation limit is reached.
I am not sure a two-PC limit is fair any longer in view of the presence now of ultra micro PCs.
For instance, I bought a Viliv S5 (a UMPC) over the summer principally for on-the-road navigating with Microsoft Streets and Trips. I tend to create my routes on my home PC with its 24" inch monitor and internet connection and then transfer the file to the UMPC before the trip. So far, so good.
The problem now is that if I go on a multi-day trip, I may need to make day-to-day adjustments. In the past when I was using a laptop on the road, it was no problem to make those adjustments. However, the UMPC is not ideal for major route alterations due to its small screen. Therefore, the ideal situation would be to use the UMPC for real-time navigating and keep the laptop in the trunk until and unless I needed to re-route over night in the motel room, when I would press the laptop into service.
Therefore, I ideally require licenses for THREE PCs: the desktop, the laptop and the UMPC. It is still only me using it and using only one at a time. I think it is within the spirit of the licensing philosophy but also realistically applied in view of the current hardware technology available to allow three installations to the same licensee.
What do you think?
For instance, I bought a Viliv S5 (a UMPC) over the summer principally for on-the-road navigating with Microsoft Streets and Trips. I tend to create my routes on my home PC with its 24" inch monitor and internet connection and then transfer the file to the UMPC before the trip. So far, so good.
The problem now is that if I go on a multi-day trip, I may need to make day-to-day adjustments. In the past when I was using a laptop on the road, it was no problem to make those adjustments. However, the UMPC is not ideal for major route alterations due to its small screen. Therefore, the ideal situation would be to use the UMPC for real-time navigating and keep the laptop in the trunk until and unless I needed to re-route over night in the motel room, when I would press the laptop into service.
Therefore, I ideally require licenses for THREE PCs: the desktop, the laptop and the UMPC. It is still only me using it and using only one at a time. I think it is within the spirit of the licensing philosophy but also realistically applied in view of the current hardware technology available to allow three installations to the same licensee.
What do you think?
I still think iNav's approach with iGuidance is the most enlightened. You can install it on as many PCs as you wish. You can only activate it on one. But you can shift the activation between them as often as you want and it's as easy as can be.
An activation wizard gets installed along with the program. Whenever you want to shift the activation you run the activation wizard on the PC that's activated, deactivate it, run the activation wizard on the PC you want to activate and Presto! you're in business on that one.
I know .... the greedy amongst us are never satisfied and it would be nice to still have two simultaneous activations that you can shift around. But until that happens I have to give a huge WayTaGo!!! to iNav's activation approach.
...ken...
An activation wizard gets installed along with the program. Whenever you want to shift the activation you run the activation wizard on the PC that's activated, deactivate it, run the activation wizard on the PC you want to activate and Presto! you're in business on that one.
I know .... the greedy amongst us are never satisfied and it would be nice to still have two simultaneous activations that you can shift around. But until that happens I have to give a huge WayTaGo!!! to iNav's activation approach.
...ken...
Ken, the approach you describe is fine , I am sure, in many applications. However, I don't think it is ideal for S&T. I would not want to be going through the activation drill every time I shifted from PC to UMPC (or laptop) and then back again. This might easily be daily, so that would be two activations a day - that does not appeal.
Just my 2 cents.
I prefer actually the actual S&T license to install on a desktop and laptop. This is all most people would ever need. Actually i think this is a very good license way. Most of the software should follow this way to allow a desktop and laptop. This keep a customer from buying two licenses when only one would be used at a time by the same customer... Everybody these days has a desktop and a form of portable device.
I wouldn't want to rely at all on internet to switch the license from my desktop to my laptop everytime i am using it. It could happen very often and could be very annoying .
I prefer actually the actual S&T license to install on a desktop and laptop. This is all most people would ever need. Actually i think this is a very good license way. Most of the software should follow this way to allow a desktop and laptop. This keep a customer from buying two licenses when only one would be used at a time by the same customer... Everybody these days has a desktop and a form of portable device.
I wouldn't want to rely at all on internet to switch the license from my desktop to my laptop everytime i am using it. It could happen very often and could be very annoying .
There is some confusion forming in this discussion. From my experience, iGuidance does allow 2 intallations. The flexibility is in moving either of those licenses to another device. I have it on the HP tablet and I moved the 2nd license from my UMPC to my mini-ITX for testing purposes.
With the previous version (v4), this was also the case. However, I had used a USB key to move the license with that version. For whatever reason, that approach did not work with my copy of 2009. I used the internet deactivate/ activate approach with no issues.
Terry
With the previous version (v4), this was also the case. However, I had used a USB key to move the license with that version. For whatever reason, that approach did not work with my copy of 2009. I used the internet deactivate/ activate approach with no issues.
Terry
I think all of these approaches to switching the license between devices and requiring on-line registration or activation are going in the wrong direction.
I understand the software developers’ objective of keeping people from pirating the software, but this reminds me of the bad old days of DOS when software was distributed on floppy disks and the floppy had to be in the drive while the program was running, even if the program was installed on the hard drive. The distributors made some intentional errors on the floppies so that they could not be duplicated (easily).
It was a real hassle keeping track of the original disk and inserting it in the drive every time the user wanted to run that program, not to mention the fact that the drive was no longer available for other applications or purposes while that application was running.
There was a real push in the user community, led as I recall by PC Magazine, to remove the copy restrictions on the floppy disk and the requirement that it be in the drive to run the program. A couple of the writers at PC Magazine argued that removing the hassles of the floppy disk would actually increase the sales of the software. A couple of software manufacturers tried that, and it actually did increase sales.
I also remember when a single user license for a COBOL compiler cost $5,000, and was valid for only one computer at one site. But software had a very narrow market in those days. Such is not the case now. Look, for example, at the huge market for Streets & Trips. Would that market increase or decrease if the installation process was simplified to eliminate the need for on-line registration and activation of the program? The history suggests that it might increase.
What was the last version of Streets & Trips that could be purchased over the counter and installed and used with no on-line or phone activation? As I recall, that might have been S&T 2007. Did sales increase or decrease with S&T 2008? What was the trend before on-line activation was adopted? Did the hassles involved help or hinder sales?
Of course, added product features might affect sales enough to hide any influence of the activation problems.
I just believe that most computer users and software customers are honest enough that they will pay for software, rather than pirating it. The newest version of S&T is available for slightly under $40, and I believe that most potential users will pay that much for a known good copy, rather than get a pirate copy from a buddy or on the Internet and risk a virus or such.
Jim M.
I understand the software developers’ objective of keeping people from pirating the software, but this reminds me of the bad old days of DOS when software was distributed on floppy disks and the floppy had to be in the drive while the program was running, even if the program was installed on the hard drive. The distributors made some intentional errors on the floppies so that they could not be duplicated (easily).
It was a real hassle keeping track of the original disk and inserting it in the drive every time the user wanted to run that program, not to mention the fact that the drive was no longer available for other applications or purposes while that application was running.
There was a real push in the user community, led as I recall by PC Magazine, to remove the copy restrictions on the floppy disk and the requirement that it be in the drive to run the program. A couple of the writers at PC Magazine argued that removing the hassles of the floppy disk would actually increase the sales of the software. A couple of software manufacturers tried that, and it actually did increase sales.
I also remember when a single user license for a COBOL compiler cost $5,000, and was valid for only one computer at one site. But software had a very narrow market in those days. Such is not the case now. Look, for example, at the huge market for Streets & Trips. Would that market increase or decrease if the installation process was simplified to eliminate the need for on-line registration and activation of the program? The history suggests that it might increase.
What was the last version of Streets & Trips that could be purchased over the counter and installed and used with no on-line or phone activation? As I recall, that might have been S&T 2007. Did sales increase or decrease with S&T 2008? What was the trend before on-line activation was adopted? Did the hassles involved help or hinder sales?
Of course, added product features might affect sales enough to hide any influence of the activation problems.
I just believe that most computer users and software customers are honest enough that they will pay for software, rather than pirating it. The newest version of S&T is available for slightly under $40, and I believe that most potential users will pay that much for a known good copy, rather than get a pirate copy from a buddy or on the Internet and risk a virus or such.
Jim M.
For me it is a simple matter of logistics.
I have FIVE computers I use in my business. I am the owner/operator of a tow truck. ONE man, ONE truck. No employees.
(1) copy of S&T 20##
When I am in my truck, the PC is usually up and running. Some calls for a tow, and it is no problem to calculate the tow (starting and ending points, loaded miles and ETA, etc.) because S&T is already up and running.
(2) copies of S&T 20## ??
When I am in my home, I am on one of two main computers I use. One OR the other is booted up at any time, sometimes both, sometimes neither. When someone calls for a tow, I want S&T to be on THAT computer that is running so I can quickly open S&T, do the calculations and quote the tow, as well as head out and MAKE MONEY. Therefore, the 2-computer limit FORCES me to buy two copies of S&T, even though I am the ONLY person who uses the cop(ies) I buy, so that S&T is on both main computers.
Lets say the day is over, and I am getting some sleep. I have a PC in my bedroom that is always running, so when someone calls, I don't have to get up and BOOT UP one of the main computers in another part of the house. I can use the bedroom PC that is already running to quote the tow, and go back to sleep if they decline. So far, so good. FOUR computers, TWO copies of S&T.
(3) copies of S&T 20## !!!
As with ALL computers, sometimes they just don't want to cooperate. The truck PC works MOST of the time, but every now and then, it boots up and CANNOT find the GPS antenna, or it won't boot at all, because of some error that I cannot troubleshoot while I am racing to a response-time-critical tow. That is when I will reach for my LENOVO Notebook computer as my backup. I boot up THAT computer, plug in the GPS antenna and head out.
Microsoft's strict 2-computer policy has forced me to get by with only my truck PC, leaving the notebook at home unless I pay the extortion fee of the purchase price of YET ANOTHER copy of S&T every year so that I can reliably respond to calls for roadside assistance, and all for the sin of using computers that are not 100% reliable.
Since Microsoft insists on a 2-computer per registration policy, and I NEED a backup GPS option in my truck, I have invested in a Garmin NUVI 265, which now has become my PRIMARY GPS routing device, since it boots instantly, it is faster to find my destination, and it has a lot of great features that allow me to blast out of my driveway toward my customer while my truck PC is still booting up, starting S&T and trying to find the GPS antenna.
As further protection against a costly delay, I also purchase the newest edition of DeLorme Street Atlas which is also installed on my truck PC, just in case S&T takes a trip to Oz when I need it most. I also have AT&T USB Broadband Internet in my truck, so if all else fails, I can use the Google maps to find my customer.
Don't get me wrong. I love S&T! I just want to be able to buy ONE COPY and use it on as many computer as *I* need in order to function efficiently. If that means I log on and pay another $20 per computer installed, SO BE IT. If I need it on ten computers, the price should be the $39 "first copy" price (with the expense of the actual disc, the packaging, the colorful wrapper and the instruction sheet) and another $180.00 for the 9 additional computers that cost Microsoft NOTHING in production of anything physical. $20.00 for permission to install EXISTING DATA onto another of my computers is reasonable.
Believe me, Microsoft! I have more important things to do with my life than pirate a silly program that is navigationally outdated 2 months after it is purchased! I know that in small town America, the addition of a new highway on ramp make the papers and the whole town turns out with cameras, but here in southern Commiefornia, a new on ramp can pop up during my LUNCH BREAK. Sink holes occur. Earthquakes knock down bridges! Cops shut down entire freeways because some distrught woman is having a bad hair day! Available roads change quickly out here!
PLEASE give me the flexibility of multiple installations without worrying about my little one-man towing service threatening the future of your MEGA-BILLION dollar software company!
I have FIVE computers I use in my business. I am the owner/operator of a tow truck. ONE man, ONE truck. No employees.
(1) copy of S&T 20##
When I am in my truck, the PC is usually up and running. Some calls for a tow, and it is no problem to calculate the tow (starting and ending points, loaded miles and ETA, etc.) because S&T is already up and running.
(2) copies of S&T 20## ??
When I am in my home, I am on one of two main computers I use. One OR the other is booted up at any time, sometimes both, sometimes neither. When someone calls for a tow, I want S&T to be on THAT computer that is running so I can quickly open S&T, do the calculations and quote the tow, as well as head out and MAKE MONEY. Therefore, the 2-computer limit FORCES me to buy two copies of S&T, even though I am the ONLY person who uses the cop(ies) I buy, so that S&T is on both main computers.
Lets say the day is over, and I am getting some sleep. I have a PC in my bedroom that is always running, so when someone calls, I don't have to get up and BOOT UP one of the main computers in another part of the house. I can use the bedroom PC that is already running to quote the tow, and go back to sleep if they decline. So far, so good. FOUR computers, TWO copies of S&T.
(3) copies of S&T 20## !!!
As with ALL computers, sometimes they just don't want to cooperate. The truck PC works MOST of the time, but every now and then, it boots up and CANNOT find the GPS antenna, or it won't boot at all, because of some error that I cannot troubleshoot while I am racing to a response-time-critical tow. That is when I will reach for my LENOVO Notebook computer as my backup. I boot up THAT computer, plug in the GPS antenna and head out.
Microsoft's strict 2-computer policy has forced me to get by with only my truck PC, leaving the notebook at home unless I pay the extortion fee of the purchase price of YET ANOTHER copy of S&T every year so that I can reliably respond to calls for roadside assistance, and all for the sin of using computers that are not 100% reliable.
Since Microsoft insists on a 2-computer per registration policy, and I NEED a backup GPS option in my truck, I have invested in a Garmin NUVI 265, which now has become my PRIMARY GPS routing device, since it boots instantly, it is faster to find my destination, and it has a lot of great features that allow me to blast out of my driveway toward my customer while my truck PC is still booting up, starting S&T and trying to find the GPS antenna.
As further protection against a costly delay, I also purchase the newest edition of DeLorme Street Atlas which is also installed on my truck PC, just in case S&T takes a trip to Oz when I need it most. I also have AT&T USB Broadband Internet in my truck, so if all else fails, I can use the Google maps to find my customer.
Don't get me wrong. I love S&T! I just want to be able to buy ONE COPY and use it on as many computer as *I* need in order to function efficiently. If that means I log on and pay another $20 per computer installed, SO BE IT. If I need it on ten computers, the price should be the $39 "first copy" price (with the expense of the actual disc, the packaging, the colorful wrapper and the instruction sheet) and another $180.00 for the 9 additional computers that cost Microsoft NOTHING in production of anything physical. $20.00 for permission to install EXISTING DATA onto another of my computers is reasonable.
Believe me, Microsoft! I have more important things to do with my life than pirate a silly program that is navigationally outdated 2 months after it is purchased! I know that in small town America, the addition of a new highway on ramp make the papers and the whole town turns out with cameras, but here in southern Commiefornia, a new on ramp can pop up during my LUNCH BREAK. Sink holes occur. Earthquakes knock down bridges! Cops shut down entire freeways because some distrught woman is having a bad hair day! Available roads change quickly out here!
PLEASE give me the flexibility of multiple installations without worrying about my little one-man towing service threatening the future of your MEGA-BILLION dollar software company!
I guess what I should have said is, "If we MUST have an activation procedure, my vote is for the iGuidance approach." Of course I would rather not have to deal with it at all.
...ken...
...ken...
bikerjoe, thanks for your real world and real user description of the problem someone faces in trying to use S&T when your business requires that you move around, including moving from one computer to another during the day. I think most computer users now have more than one computer, a desktop and a laptop. Many users have more than two but I, for one, can’t use more than one computer at a time. So I want the software I have bought and paid for on the one computer I want to use, whenever I want to use it, just like bikerjoe.
Can any long-time user of S&T tell me for sure whether or not S&T 2007 could be installed and run on a computer WITHOUT any Internet activation or phone activation? If I wanted to install it on a laptop computer in the middle of the boonies without Internet access or phone service, can I activate it and not have it expire at an inconvenient time?
I really want a version of the software that can be installed without it "pulling an ET", and "calling home."
Any information on this point is welcome!
Thanks.
Jim M.
Can any long-time user of S&T tell me for sure whether or not S&T 2007 could be installed and run on a computer WITHOUT any Internet activation or phone activation? If I wanted to install it on a laptop computer in the middle of the boonies without Internet access or phone service, can I activate it and not have it expire at an inconvenient time?
I really want a version of the software that can be installed without it "pulling an ET", and "calling home."
Any information on this point is welcome!
Thanks.
Jim M.
I'm probably going to get tomatoes or bricks thrown at me but I can't get terribly sympathetic about a business that can write off the expense having to cough up the grand sum of around 30 bucks for an extra copy for convenience. I realize that there are small businesses that don't have lots of coin to throw around, but come on, it's cheap like dirt and it's a legitimate business expense. Can't hardly get an oil change for that price.
If you need four or six tires on the truck you don't complain because the tire manufacturer makes you buy one for each wheel. And they're a heckuva lot more expensive than a copy of Streets.
...ken...
If you need four or six tires on the truck you don't complain because the tire manufacturer makes you buy one for each wheel. And they're a heckuva lot more expensive than a copy of Streets.
...ken...
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