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Review: DeLorme Street Atlas
DrAlloway
There are 3 files for every Route (Map, Navigation and Draw)
You have to be careful about the first two because they are easy to mix up.

The Map file (extension is .saf in SA2012) is the Master File
and the Navigation file (ext is .anr) lives inside the Map file
the Draw file (ext is .an1) also lives inside the Map file

Navigation file is named in Route Tab / NewEdit / Name (with drop down box)
Map file is named in Map Files / File / Save As...
mattcolie
I have been running SA2013 for about three weeks now. Yes, there aren't many upgrades that I can identify and I work the heck out of the package. I have had to write Delorme again because some things still aren't fixed. I truth, most users will never notice these issues.

The new package was only available with the BU-353. I am disappointed that the driver was not integral with the package and it did take several tries to get it to load right and it frequently has to be restarted when rejoining after a the system goes to standby mode. It is definitely not as friendly as I have come to expect from Delorme.

I am here are a rally of other travelers and we sat down and did a comparison of capabilities. I don't know if it is a result of my working SA as hard as I do, but the S&T people could not duplicate my level of planning.

It may its own problems, but I think I'll just keep feeding Delorme corrections and ideas.

Matt
DrAlloway
I plotted a 60 day, cross-country loop of 12,000 miles with a half-dozen stops per day, including campgrounds every night using Topo 8 with no serious problems (missing roads and other detail errors of course and lots of frustration learning Topo, but nothing really bad).

Then I "upgraded" to GPS and its OK for Single Stop routes. But there is no way I can use in on even my little trip next week. Only 5 days with half dozen stops each day. But if I can not leave Stop One on Day One, how in the world can I get to Stop Five on Day Three ??
mattcolie
DrAlloway,

I guess you and I work this about the same.
We love everything but the part where when you have fuel and hold time at the same stop, the stop counts get hard to deal with past 9.... I keep having to go and re-stretch the stop column.

What we do is set the driver up with a stand alone GPS that is only loaded to the next stop. The laptop (that I am using as we drive) has the whole plan, all the stops, fuel and EOD. We update it as we go.

The best thing about the stand alone at the driver is that it can be a KPH speedo when we cross into Canada.

We live in Mchigan and seldom go west of the mountains, so I have never bothered to upgrade to Topo.

Matt
Boyd
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattcolie
The new package was only available with the BU-353.
I was looking at Street Atlas a few days ago, and it appears to be available directly from Delorme for $40 without the USB GPS.

http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10121&minisite=10020

They also show a $50 version that includes the GPS, but it doesn't say whether it's the 2013 version

http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10122&minisite=10020

I see both of these same products at some other vendors for about the same price, maybe a dollar or two less. But after looking at all the screenshots on their site, it sure didn't look like something very "finger friendly" on a tablet so I decided to pass.
Ed N
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattcolie
I have been running SA2013 for about three weeks now. Yes, there aren't many upgrades that I can identify and I work the heck out of the package. I have had to write Delorme again because some things still aren't fixed. I truth, most users will never notice these issues.

The new package was only available with the BU-353. I am disappointed that the driver was not integral with the package and it did take several tries to get it to load right and it frequently has to be restarted when rejoining after a the system goes to standby mode. It is definitely not as friendly as I have come to expect from Delorme.

I am here are a rally of other travelers and we sat down and did a comparison of capabilities. I don't know if it is a result of my working SA as hard as I do, but the S&T people could not duplicate my level of planning.

It may its own problems, but I think I'll just keep feeding Delorme corrections and ideas.

Matt
We use Delorme when traveling with a motor home and it would be great if someone were to make a program that told of low overpasses, camping would also be great but I would just like roads with low bridges and to narrow for us to travel we have been lucky so far but once it sent us down a narrow dirt road and another had a low RR bridge. Both you could not see from the main road. I guess we just need to keep hoping
mattcolie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed N
We use Delorme when traveling with a motor home and it would be great if someone were to make a program that told of low overpasses, camping would also be great but I would just like roads with low bridges and to narrow for us to travel we have been lucky so far but once it sent us down a narrow dirt road and another had a low RR bridge. Both you could not see from the main road. I guess we just need to keep hoping
Ed,

Our old A has no problem with low clearance, but if it did, I would find the correct information to download from the Discovery Owners site. I know that they have it. They have that and a lot else.

Matt
DrAlloway
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattcolie
DrAlloway,

I guess you and I work this about the same.
We love everything but the part where when you have fuel and hold time at the same stop, the stop counts get hard to deal with past 9.... I keep having to go and re-stretch the stop column.

What we do is set the driver up with a stand alone GPS that is only loaded to the next stop. The laptop (that I am using as we drive) has the whole plan, all the stops, fuel and EOD. We update it as we go.

The best thing about the stand alone at the driver is that it can be a KPH speedo when we cross into Canada.

We live in Mchigan and seldom go west of the mountains, so I have never bothered to upgrade to Topo.

Matt
I ride alone::: so no second person to trick SA into working.
It would be nice if SA worked without being tricked.
mattcolie
I never had the problems with prior versions of SA that I am having with 2013. I do not know if it is the BU353 and driver that is the problem or something they did to 2013. Right now, I'm sorry I left the old USB-GPS at home. But yes, without a person to be navigator, the current package would be unmanageable.

Matt
Ed N
My wife and I went to CampWorld then I went online, and it seems like one needs to go to a self contained GPS. Rand Mcnally and Magellan both have stand alone GPS units that seem to answer most of my concerns. You set what your RV size and type is and if you are towing anything. It gets you around low overpasses helps you find gas stations campgrounds and more. They even have auto modes so one can use it in one's auto
trekker01
What GPS are you using? What are you displaying your maping on? I use SA13 on a laptop computer currently, and plan out 8-10,000 mile trips using overnight stops, fuel stops, vias, and the display always knows where I am and what is next. I believe it is limited to a maximum of 100 points (stops, vias), which I regularly run up against.
DrAlloway
Yes - DeL in all versions I believe is limited to 100 waypoints of any kind
So I just plot one route Out and another route Home - usually keeps total under 100
Have done 4 pieces :: Out East of Mississippi River; Out West; Home West and Home East
They can all be in the same project/map file (just 1 active at a time) - but no real problems

I was using a 10inch Fujitsu tablet - but a real computer with Windows 7 Pro.
It has built in GPS which is very accurate (checked breadcrumbs against reality).

However, I gave up using SA2012 & GPS with MULTIPLE STOPS as software is too stupid for practical use. I am riding a motorcycle and need it to actually work and be reliable.
It gets confused way too easily. It simply WILL NOT recognize arrival at a Stop (gas for example) and when I leave gas station - it spends next 5 miles trying to take me back to that same gas station - rather - than to next stop.

I can not believe such a basic fundamental simple DEFECT has not been fixed years ago.
But given it has not, I can't believe people keep buying DeL and GPS. DeL works fine as mapping sfw without GPS - but - the addition of GPS is not even close to adequate for real life situations.
trekker01
In my experience (and I have used every version of Street Atlas, along with their GPS receivers) SA is totally acceptable and accurate. Map data (as well as businesses that are shown on the map) are not always correct, but they purchase the data from another source (as does Microsoft with it's Streets & Trips), and at a consumer price of under $50, may not buy the newest data that is available. I have no problem (using a PC with the SA software and GPS) with SA, so I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree on it's quality.
DrAlloway
If you are telling me that you can make SA2012 with GPS give turn-by-turn directions for a Multi-Stop route (like from stop #4 to stop#5 (without an second human re-programming) - then - please tell me your secret !!

I can not figure out how to make sfw recognize that it actually arrived at stop#4 and then direct me to stop #5. Rather, when I leave stop#4 the sfw keeps redirecting me back to stop #4. Yes, if I ride the planned route for 3 or 4 miles, then, the sfw finally gives up trying to take me back to stop #4 and then, finally, starts directing me to stop #5.

Please tell me your secret - how do I make sfw direct me out of gas station stop #4 toward stop #5 !!
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