Actually, asking for a "crack" does that quite nicely. Also, defending a software pirate rates right up there.

Yes, $30 is actually very inexpensive price to pay to support future development of Streets & Trips. Look what happened to the European version of the product. Microsoft AutoRoute has been discontinued - not enough copies sold to justify the release of future versions .

R.I.P. Microsoft AutoRoute. Let's hope the same will not happen also to Microsoft Streets & Trips.

Eric Frost and Tao Yue have discussed this construction issue recently at MapForums.com. They talked about Microsoft MapPoint 2009, but even though I haven't tested this myself, I suspect Streets & Trips 2009 is affected by the same issue. Hopefully Microsoft will correct this shortly. Here's the link to the discussion: MapPoint 2009 Construction Data Update

I paid Autoroute 2006 at 15U$, a deal when buying a GPS Deluo... I travel in France the same year and I saw it at 80 Eur... (just the program, no GPS). It was a lot more expensive in Europe... More expensive than the GPS and the program in US... May be to much...?

Alain, $15 was an excellent deal! Deluo Electronics is actually one of the stores that offers discounts to members of Laptop GPS World. Streets & Trips is one of their main product lines. Quite often they have special sales that include S&T + a choice of a Deluo GPS receiver.

To update construction data manually, go to the download page and follow the instructions. Note: the instructions are correct for Vista, but are still wrong for XP. Change the "15.0" portion of the path to "16.0" -- that's the version number of S&T 2009.

Auto-update is still broken. If this isn't fixed in two weeks when the product retails, the support calls are going to start rolling in.

Okay, I downloaded and installed the trial version of S&T 2009. First impression was positive except I'm not too crazy about the color scheme and switched to small icons almost immediately. I ran a quick route across country and compared the results to S&T 2007 (my last update). The results were close but not the same even though the route was virtually identical. Couldn't update construction but enough people have pointed out that obvious issue. Then I noticed the old "cursor select" mode was gone, which was a handy way to zoom in on a particular location. Those were two grumbles that start to send me into a "why bother" mode but the clincher was in the "other options" window. S&T 2009 still insists on using "Slower-Average-Faster" instead of numerical MPH speeds. I challenge anyone to drive a trip of any length and make the time S&T says you will see under this method. That's three strikes so if this is a final version, I'll be staying with S&T 2007 as a check to Garmin's City Navigator and MapSource. Everything else in S&T 2009 IMHO is just fluff.

tloewenberg:

I too am not crazy about the color scheme but I'm getting used to it.
I compared past routes with my 2008 version and I am happy with the results. In fact one of the routes, where I had to insert a via in order to make it go the way I thought was best in my 2008 version, I did not have to insert the via in the 2009 version.
Your comment about the (cursor select" mode was gone,) is true. However, they actually made that function easier. In the earler than 2009 versions you had to LEFT click and drag to create the zoom window and then change the POINTER to the PAN pointer in order to drag the window.
In the 2009 version they made that much easier. Now if you want to pan you just LEFT click and drag. If you want to zoom to a selection just RIGHT click and drag to the size of zoom area. To me this is much easier.
In addition, I have found some other improvements that I personally appreciate.
Hope this is helpful to you.
Regards,
Mike Flannigan

tloewenberg:
I forgot to address your comment on the speed settings. I too missed the mph settings. However, I did get used to setting the four choices to where I felt I normally drove on that type of road.
I'm not sure if this made the driving time as accurate or not, in Streets. However, since I use MapSource to use with my Garmin GPS, I feel it doesn't matter since I'm using the routing from there.
Regards,
Mike Flannign

Thanks Mike for providing the zoom select information. Since taking your direction, I agree that it's much easier to use. Pretty obvious, I didn't use enough time searching through the Help menus. As I mentioned, I use MapSource as well to build routes for my GPS. However, we usually use S&T for preliminary routing as well as cases where we want to print routing. Because of the speed "inconvenience" we find ourselves relying on past experience more than S&T when it comes to time. Fortunately, it puts in a target area for overnight planning. Regardless, thanks for the assistance, the zoom select was my main gripe.
Terry Loewenberg

Hi Terry, and :welcome: to the forum!

It's not that easy to discover the new way of using the old feature. S&T Team wrote an article about it way back in July. I should have linked it from our Tips and Tricks for Streets and Trips long ago. I just corrected my oversight, the link is now included (tip # 025). And as Mike says, the feature is now much easier to use (users just need to discover the feature first ).

I downloaded 2009 last week, prior to doing truck run to Ventura, CA. Had been using 2008.
Liked new maps, but still have the same crash problem. When you have multiple stops and go into route planner and change time at stop, after initial setting, the program will crash if you go and change setting to different time. This happened at least 5 times out to CA and 3 times back to TX.
Other than that, the maps seem upto date for the most part. Missing some truck stops but most were on map.
Only other complaint is it is not TRUCK friendly!! There is no way to choose routes that allow commerical trucks to travel. Also had this problem with 2008 while traveling on Long Island, NY ... 2008 wanted me to take parkways and beltways, big no-no.
Anyone also using CoPilot 11?

Hi fishn4funtx,

I wonder if the crash is reproducible. Have you heard of other users experiencing the same, or has it happened to you on another laptop, too? I'll try to reproduce it.

Yes, we have a furum dedicated to users of ALK CoPilot Laptop and ALK CoPilot Truck. Check out the discussions of the new version 11: ALK CoPilot

I added the following to the review on page 1:

I overlooked these three items when I was originally working on the review. But they deserve to be there, so I just edited the first post of this thread.

The location sensor has been moved to the status bar

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Gladwin, thanks very much . I edited it in the review as follows:

You're not alone. I am perplexed as to why Microsoft would abandon this. True, they are driving people to Mobile Live Search, but I prefer Pocket Streets for some applications.

I think that the always on Location Sensor is much nicer. But I would, also, like to be able to right click a location, including pushpins, and have the option of reading the location. Instead of hovering over a spot and trying to remember the numbers.

Issue 1) An issue that I have ran into is not being able to place pushpins on the map. I recalled afterward that on one occasion, when I opened ST2009, I got a warning that a file was corrupt.

The program appeared to work fine. I think I was even able to add pushpins for a few days, but then that ability stopped.

I opened up another screen of ST2009 and checked if adding pushpins worked, and it was fine. I imported my data from the old file and found that adding pushpins stopped working.

I rely heavily on the pushpins and have more than 3000 in my file. That's from delivering pizzas a couple days a week, and in less than 2 years.

So now, I have gone back to my original 2007 file and brought it back into 2009. The pushpin feature works. But now I have to clean up my pushpins again because of my reliance on the now removed pushpins.

Issue 2) Another issue that I have come across is the duplication of pushpins when transferring pushpin sets from file to file.

When I tried my first attempt to solve the nonworking pushpin addition, I set up the new file's pushpin set to my liking. I use mainly the numbers and letters, so I wanted them in order. (Again, it would be nice to be able to move them around. When adding in new pushpins, I have missed a number and had to delete the last few to get a number in its proper place.)

I created numbers for the lower portions of house number (ST2007's numbers did not go high enough), used ST2007 numbers for the upper portions (hundreds, etc) and used the letters to mark street names.

When I copied from one file to the other, some of the pushpins were duplicated and renamed with a tag. For instance, the 3 I used for the hundreds was renamed from 300 to 300(1). I, actually, had one pushpin that was duplicated four times. So, again, some cleaning to do, to remove the duplicated pins.

I thought that this may have had something to do with the corrupted file, so I did a test with a couple of clean files. The duplication of pins continued.

The irony is that the pushpins that I had created for the ST2007 program did not duplicate. These were the numbers for the lower portion of the house numbers.

So, main reason for post, make sure that if you have a lot of pushpins, you back up your files. And if you get a warning that something is corrupted, abandon using that file, go to your backup and replace the file with it. Personally, I will probably have a couple of back ups. Just in case I miss the issues a couple of times.

* murdockr, I hear your pain . Pocket Streets was a good map viewer. While the product existed, I mostly heard just user criticism of it, but after it was discontinued it became clear to me how popular it really was.



* jsnoik, wouldn't life be simpler if Ctrl+L (or some other keyboard shortcut) would copy lat/long?



* Earlier this morning I read the following:

That motivated me to slightly modify the review on page #1 of this thread. I replaced the original screenshot, and I added a little bit of text to it:

If I enter the address of a well established business in a major city, i.e., 123 Main Street, for some reason it just returns Main Street - which then routes me no where near the actual destination on the street. Why is this?

Could you post a specific example address you have problem with. Also please post where in Streets & Trips you enter it.

Did anyone ever get the construction info update working?

TechnoGuy -

We're working on a fix but the manual method for updating construction for 2009 works fine.

~Larry

Marvin...
Office Max, 312 N. Sunrise Blvd., Roseville, CA
Entered into Route Planner.

Also - similar situaiton...I was at a gig at a large, well establised church in Roseville. While in my hotel room, connected to the internet, I searched the location in Route Planner, and it came up with a location, by name, details, etc. However, I closed my laptop and didn't save so I lost it. Got to the car - entered it again, and it's like the location became non-existent. Gave me the street but no location name, no street number.

Nice work on your review Marvin.

I downloaded the program and they have added new streets near my home. It looks good so far. Installed fine on my Vista laptop. I'll test it later with the POI scanner to see if it still works with the 2009 version for those interested. I've figured out how to zoom in and select an area with the mouse, but still need to figure out to zoom out. I guess I'll have to read the help file.

I'm sorry to hear the connected services version is being discontinued. I was hoping for an extended CDN coverage.

You are right, I searched for this address in ST09 and was not able to find it. But I also did a search in Live.com and Google Maps for the same address and both returned "312 N. Sunrise Ave., Roseville, CA" as the closest match for my search.

And searching for "312 N Sunrise Ave, Roseville, CA" in ST09 finds it

toyfountain:

Aside from the "right click and draw a section to zoom in" I generally use my mouse wheel; push forward to zoom in/pull backward to zoom out.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Mike Flannigan

Double click on the Map to 'Zoom In'

Shift + Double click on the Map to 'Zoom out' - Added in ST09

Well, here goes my first post... First, thanks to Marvin for creating this Forum, I don't know where you find the time between your work & family... Oh, that's right, you have the Internet in your work truck... And yes, I've had the pleasure of meeting Marvin a few times, we both work in the same profession... or is it a trade...

Anyhoo, I just downloaded S&T 2009, it seems to be working fine, no errors yet, and the construction update worked fine for me... I use S&T for the "big picture" my Garmin Nuvi 250 can't provide... I'll save all the Avis & Budget locations that I attend in S&T, that way I have the address on hand to plug into the Garmin (in case I don't already have it save in my favourites)... S&T also comes in handy when there is a detour since the Garmin will try to get you back on route as quickly as possible, but the route that you were on might be blocked for several exits.

I might look into this USB GPS stick thingy I read about in this thread, I'll likely find it in the USA cheaper then up here in Ontario... and it will likely be released in the USA first (as things usually are)... Oh, I do like the new look of S&T 2009, it's a big change for sure!

Wayne,

* You are the very first person who stated the construction update works fine. Did you let Streets & Trips perform the update automatically, or you just downloaded the .dat file, and then pasted it to the Data folder?

* Streets & Trips 2009 with GPS Locator may be a bit less expensive south of the border (as most things are), but in the foreseeable future you will unlikely find the new u-Blox USB GPS stick included in the bundle. The Canadian version will include it (something about stricter testing requirements, according to what I heard).

For those of you who have used Marvin's ST Keys add-on, I have been able to use my 2007 version with the 2009. Probably because I have not removed the 2007 version, yet. I am quite pleased with the updated maps on the 2009, so I expect to be purchasing it, when available. Hopefully within the next 30 days. That's the end of my trial.

One problem I did find with using the ST2007 Keys with the ST2009 is that using Navigation causes an error in the Keys program. Since I don't use the Navigation much, it is not an issue with me.

Also, I was able to update the construction information this morning. I had not tried previously. I'm just going to guess that they may not have had it available, quite yet.

Marvin, when I did the construction update, it was from the program.

jsnoik,

* I'm working on a new version of S&T Keys 2009. If all goes well, it should be available for free download before the end of this month (Sept. 2008).

* I just tried the Construction Update feature, and yes, it works now. Microsoft must have fixed it on their end . Thanks Wayne and jsnoik for this good news!

Marvin, that's good to hear.

Ironically, the version that I am using is one of the older versions. As I rely heavily on pushpins, I have fairly big files that bog down my processor when trying to display my movements. I found that as the ST Keys could do more, they also bogged down the processor and display.

Thanks for the welcome Marvin!

I too just used the free trial program for the Construction Update, no extra file here... I hope to find that USB GPS somewhere, it looks pretty sweet... I wonder how well it would work with my laptop mounted in the centre of my truck?

I picked up my copy of S&T 2009 from Best Buy in Amherst, NY today... It was $75.00 for the Software / GPS combo (Pharos GPS-500 SIRF III), and $40.00 for the Software on its own... They had several copies of both on the shelf.

Yesterday:
Today:
LOL, it's not a 60-minute free trial. It's a 60-day free trial, Wayne. Why the rush?

LOL... I know, I know... I liked what I saw so much, and I saw it on the shelf, so I just had to have it... you know... before the big rush you were talking about!

I think I can see myself. About 4th or 5th from the front

When I went to activate my free trial, there was an option to purchase it online... I didn't have an Internet connection at the time, so I don't know if that link was actually set up or not...

I received my copy in the mail yesterday from amazon.com. I am all set for another year or so.

* jsnoik, how many hours did you have to wait?

* Wayne, no it's not set up the way some of us would expect . I only have 14 days left to go on my trial, so when I first read your posting earlier this morning, I though I would purchase it online via the link you mentioned. I hoped Microsoft was setup to sell activation codes. I was going to document my purchase with a series of screenshots, but unfortunately, when you click the link that reads "Buy Microsoft Streets & Trips online", you web-browser just opens Microsoft Streets & Trips product page. There you may see "Order now" buttons, but when you click those, a page opens that just lists S&T distributors. There is no way for people to just buy the activation code.

* TechnoGuy, it's time to party!

Oh, that's too bad Marvin... Maybe some sort of conflict with vendors if they sell it online? Don't you get a complimentary copy each year from Microsoft with all the hard work you put in coming up with improvement suggestions? I'm heading to Newark, NJ tomorrow, I could always pick up another copy for you...

The PR people asked me if I wanted the US version now, or the Canadian version later when it becomes available. I opted for the Canadian version. No rush. I suspect when the remaining 14 days of trial is over, my S&T will be home . But thanks for the offer, Wayne!

Wonder what the difference is between the Canadaian & US versions? Maybe the odd "Eh" gets thrown into the text to speech program... "Turn right on LePage Court eh!"...

LOL . The box will be bi-lingual (but I don't think the software itself will be bi-lingual). The Canadian (w/GPS Locator) version will also include the new u-Blox USB GPS stick.

To make the Streets Trips 2009 review complete, I added the following on page #1:

The following may be of interest to users who use pushpins a lot: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/978-easy-way-add-old-pushpins-streets-trips-2009-a

While googling Streets 2K9 I noticed that Amazon listed it as being compatible with OS X on Intel Macs, but apparently that's not (yet) true. Hopefully that'll change but for now we're still stuck and have to use either virtualization or Boot Camp.

At least they updated the maps to include the toll roads around the Austin, TX, area.

Streets & Trips would not be in the first tier of applications to be ported to the Mac. The incremental-revenue/engineering-cost tradeoff is not favorable.

I understand that.

In any case I D/Led the trial to this MacBook, ran the installer, then when I try to launch S&T '09 I get a "licensing initialization error (Error 0xC004D301)" and am told to contact customer support. Of course they want $35 and I'm a bit leery of doing that for something I can't get to launch properly in the first place.

I'm running XP Home/SP2 under Boot Camp, and Streets '06 and Streets '08 ran fine. Might Streets '09 be looking for SP3?

Ron

See this thread. It seems its a database error.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/938-streets-trips-licensing-initialization-error-0xc004d301

Terry

Hi,

I downloaded S&T 2009 to my laptop about a week ago. Worked fine until the battery ran out and abruptly shut down the laptop. All other existing programs work normal except I can no longer access S&T 2009; I get "A licensing initialization error has occurred ERROR 0xc004d301". Tried re-installing S&T 2009 but no success. Also downloaded Map point 2009 but get the same error. Called Microsoft and they said that they do not support demo products. At this point even if I wanted to purchase and activate S&T 2009 it would not work. Ok so I then went to Office Depot and purchased Microsoft S&T 2008. It loaded ok, but never worked. The program seems like it is about to boot, but just gets stuck on boot-up. Maybe there is a connection between S&T 2009 and S&T 2008. Using Windows XP sp3. Any suggestions?

Robz:

This is the number I called to fix this problem. The number for Microsoft Tech Support is 866-452-4755.
They took control of my computer and fixed the problem.
If you want to read more about this problem click on the following link:

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/166-streets-2008-stopping-after-5-6-weeks

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Mike Flannigan

Mike, I'm not sure if Robz is experiencing the same issue as described in the thread. In his case S&T 08 never worked. The thread talks about an issue that started after a few weeks of problem-free usage.

Nevertheless, a phone call will very likely solve the problem.

Robz, :welcome: to the forum. I wish you had purchased the new 2009 version instead of the older 2008 . The tech support would help you with your original issue in that case (they just don't support the free version).

Thank you flannigan and Marvin for your reply. You are correct, MS S&T 2008 never worked from the start, never even reached the activation screen. I did try and find S&T 2009 but the store only had S&T 2008 on the shelf. I needed S&T for trip I took the next day. Unfortunately neither S&T 2008 nor S&T 2009 nor Map point 2009 worked for my trip. I will probably find a restore point to revert back to, find the offending file or find another Map program; but in the worst case I could re-format the hard-drive and re-install Windows. However, I will never let MS tech support (or any one else) take control of my computer. Also, the S&T 2009 problem occurred after a low battery shut down event and will happen again in the future. I do not want to contact MS every time the battery runs low.

I have 2009 free trial installed on my computer as well as 2008. I have just purchased the 2009 boxed disc.
I hope you will forgive my ignorance. Should I just enter the product key in the "Activate Streets & Trips" window that opens when I try to open a map or should I uninstall the 2009 "trial" version and just install from the disc ? Does it matter ?
Thanks,
Mike Flannigan

No need to Uninstall. You can just use the product key to activate the already installed product.

Gladwin:

Thanks !

Mike Flannigan

Great review, Marvin. Thanks
I'm an OTR Trucker and have been using S&T 2008 on a daily basis this last year. It is a great tool, I wouldn't leave home without it, but am looking forward to the new version. Pics of setup to follow soon....

BTW, this is my 1st logon here, "Meets & Greets" to all of you!

Hi nevrhome,

I'm sure you will welcome some of the improvements in the new 2009 version.

I'm looking forward to seeing your setup in your album.

I'm an avid user of '07. I tried DeLorme and Rand McNalley - found the tools/maps in DeLorme to be easier to use, but less accurate. And Rand McNalley, well, I just found it to be less accurate (which surprised me, because they have so much more experience in map making than Microsoft).

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the additional things that '09 has to offer.

Marvin:

I have been reading the "how to import pushpins from 2008 to 2009" posts and I have to admit I'm still confused as to how to do it.
I DONT need all of the 08's so I would not mind importing one at a time but I don't mind doing all of them.
I would appreciate it if you could tell me how to import one at a time or all of them, whichever is easier for you. I'm certainly not in a rush for this.
I just installed 2009, working fine.

Thanks,

Mike Flannigan

I too tried DeLorme 2008 just for a change, but after using S&T for such a long time, I just could not get use to DeLorme, it's not as nice as S&T... So why fix what ain't broken, right!

For those interested I just added a beta version 001 of Keys for S&T 2009 in the free add ons sub-forum.

toyfountain, cool, it seems like we will be able to do some progress now on this project! Good work.
Here's the link: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/1021-streets-trips-2009-s-t-keys-work-progress


seakayaker32, :welcome: to the forum. Let us know what you like/dislike about v.2009.

Mike, to import pushpins, click the small arrow button to the right-side of the pushpin button on the menu bar, then press the "Import..." button.

Wayne, DeLorme Street Atlas is not yet ready for people in and around Toronto, Canada. Hwy-401 still doesn't show collector lanes, express lanes, and transfer lanes. Existing on-ramps and off-ramps are missing, and non-existing ones have been added for some reason. I'd love to learn more about the product, but they will have to improve the map data first.

Marvin:

Thanks for the reply. I tried that several times and could not accomplish it. I just tried it again.
I'm not able to find the path to a file where there are pushpins to import.
I cannot find a file with "Image files" with (*.bmp, *.ico, *.cur).
I'm aftaid I have limited knowledge of where to find the files to import.
Thanks for your help and I don't mean to take your time to teach a novice.
Regards,
Mike Flannigan

Mike, I haven't done it myself, as I don't use pushpins often, and for my personal use any symbol will suffice. A link to instructions on how to do it is in Tips & Tricks for Streets & Trips, tip # 021, titled: "Pushpin images for Streets and Trips 2009 - free download"

I don't know where the pushpins are stored after they are imported. But I have wondered, if the pushpins are stored in the Streets & Trips template (I don't know if they are), perhaps it would be possible for one person to import them all (one-by-one ), and then we could just share the template.

Marvin:

Thanks for the link. I'll go there. I have looked for pushpins in the "Template" folder and could not find them. Since I still have 2008 installed, I looked in every folder I could find in the " Microsoft Streets & Trips" folder, (Data, Licenses, Samples & Templates) and could not find any files with pushpins. I have literally spent several hours going through every folder (on the c drive) that I thought may have a connection with Streets and never found a file with the extensions mentioned in the dropdown from "Import" pushpins.
Again, I appreciate your help. I'm going to be satisfied with the pushpins I have. Please don't waste any more of your time. Maybe someone will read this and have a simple solution.
Regards,
Mike Flannigan

Mike, you are correct, I don't think we can use Windows Explorer to locate the individual *.bmp, *.ico, *.cur files on our PC, but the above mentioned link will give you the step-by-step instructions needed to import the pushpins you want.

Marvin:

Thanks for all your help. I downloaded that file and now I am able to import the pushpins I want.

Thanks for your patience with an old man that has a lot to learn.

I have saved the folder (62 kb) and would be happy to share with anyone.

Regards,

Mike Flannigan

No need to share that file. It is a quick and easy download from the Microsoft site. What I was thinking earlier on was something else. I was wondering if sharing an S&T 2009 template w/pushpins imported, would make any sense, or not. But that's fairly easy to test, and I'll try to find the time to test it over the weekend.

I can't find the avoid area in new 2009?

I bet most, if not all, users of Streets and Tips 2009 are asking themselves the same question. To find the answer, go to http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/749-tips-tricks-microsoft-streets-trips, tip # 025, titled: Where did the "Pan" and "Select" tools go on the Toolbar in S&T 2009?

edt:

This doesn't completely answer your question (I can't find the avoid area in new 2009) but this may help a little. You MUST have a map open that has a route in it.

I can't find the "avoid area" either. However, if you want to find the "Preffered Roads" click on the "Route" tab at the top, in the drop down point to the Route and in that drop down click on Route Options at the bottom. The "More route options" window opens. Click on the "Segments" tab. The "Route segment preferences" window will show the different segment(s) of your trip (In the case where you have an overnight stay). Apparently the default setting is "Quickest: Highlight one of segments and click on the "Preferred roads" tab. That permits you to click on the "Preferred road types" tab that was grayed out. The window that opens gives you the ability to use the sliders for road preferences.
I set my "Arterial roads" slider to 0 and then adjusted it for experimenting.
I don't have a clue that this will solve the problem that I want (to avoid dirt roads) but it's apparently the best it allows ? The only question this leaves me with is the possibility it overrides the "Quickest" route option which is what I prefer. If you click on the help tab and read it completely I think it explains that it doesn't override it ?
I experimented with a route I am very familiar with (to the Lake of the Ozarks) for several hours and tried every choice. It still didn't route me as I prefer and have gone many times and in order to get it to route me that way I had to add a "via" point using a pushpin.
You also have a help (?) tab at the top of the "More route options" window that explains all of this.
After all this I decided to go back to the quickest way and do what I have always done; check it with Garmin Map Source and choose my own route from the map on the computer.
Interestingly enough, Map Source DID route me the way I want to go, in this case.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Mike Flannigan

For those who may be wondering why Garmin's MapSource allowed Mike to do the routing the way he wanted, MapSource has routing preference settings that allow you to "Avoid unpaved roads" and "Avoid Seasonal Road Closures". That makes it a no-brainer to do what he wanted. Just click a couple of checkboxes in the routing preferences. I think those two preferences may even be set by default.

...ken...

The "Avoid unpaved roads" and "Avoid Seasonal Road Closures" would be useful to have even in Streets and Trips, in addition to the existing routing options.

You would sort of expect any navigation or trip planning program would make it very easy to do things like:

Avoid:

_Toll Roads
_Unpaved Roads
_U-Turns
_Carpool Lanes
_Ferries
_Seasonal Road Closures

...ken...

Streets & Trips only has the following preferred roads options:

Interstates and limited-access
Other highways
Arterial roads
Toll roads

There still is a bit of a space in the dialog box, so I think it would still be possible to squeeze one or two more options there.

In the Find coupons I notice I only have one coupon showing for North America. Upon further research I found that the new Find Coupon feature is only a 14 days trial membership to a paid service. You need to sign up through S&T for the free trial. They should get a commission for this referral if they aren't already. It could help to pay for further development of the software.

Entertainment® online trial offer details: Free trial lasts for 14 days. Trial begins when you first sign upwith Entertainment online through Streets & Trips. Valid only in the United States, D.C., and Canada with the purchase of Streets & Trips 2009. You must activate your trial membership before June 1, 2011, to use this offer. Free trial offer is not available to current Entertainment online subscribers. Additional restrictions apply; see www.entertainment.com/microsoftst/info.html for more information.

I wish we could remove the find coupon icon from the toolbar if we have no use for this service tough.

coupons???? you mean clue-pons


here's a clue -- it's a scam

Has anyone signed up for the service? How much is the membership fee? Is it a yearly subscription? The discounts seem attractive. Many restaurants offer buy-one-dinner, get-one-dinner-free deals.

You can eat 2 dinners?

Terry

We used the Entertainment coupons on a trip to Seattle earlier in the year. It was pre-S&T 2009, but Entertainment has a website where you can search for the coupons. Since we were there for less than two weeks, I didn't bother to pay for a subscription. I bet we saved $200 on various entertainment and dining in one week. Everything is 2-for-1, buy one get one free, etc. The only downside to online coupons is that you need to print them off. Not many of us carry printers in our vehicles, so you need to plan ahead and print the coupons before you leave home, or perhaps your motel has a printer.

We've always purchased the local coupon book from the local school fundraiser (usually $20), and we use it all year. It's a great way to try new stuff that you might not find otherwise, and you generally get a free meal out of the deal.

We're planning a week in New Mexico, and I'll probably go ahead and buy a subscription.

Draw a box with the right mouse button, then go to the ROUTE menu in the toolbar and select 'Avoid Area'. You MUST include an intersection in the avoid area or it won't do anything.

kcflyer:

That's an interesting tip. Thanks for posting it.

Regards,

Mike Flannigan

If you want to save some steps on the avoid area, just draw your box where you want it and then right click with your mouse on the edge of the box and choose "avoid area" from the drop down menu.

Wayne

Hi Wayne,

It's good to see you active again. Things must be about wrapped up at the course?

I've been playing with Streets&Trips and some other laptop nav software a bit since I saw S&T in use in your truck on our trip south last year. It's really interesting to do in-vehicle navigation with such a nice big display but I can't find any way to mount a laptop in my CR-V. If I can figure some way to mount a 7" touchscreen I may build a car-puter this winter that I can stuff under the seat.

Had a big dump of snow here yesterday - 17cm - that those Americans down in Colorado were kind enough to ship up this way. I had had plans for at least a couple rounds of golf this week but that might not happen now.

...ken...

Has anyone noticed that the way you search for intersections, interstate exits, state and county roads has changed to where it doesn't work unless you're very specific which sort of defeats the purpose?

It appears that if you want the same search results that 2007 gave you MUST include the city AND the state in which the intersection, etc. exists. If you just include the state, like in previous versions, 2009 ignores it and gives you all the intersections in the US that meet that criteria. The funny thing is that it won't return the correct result and returns roads that aren't in your search. This is a HUGE PITA!! Sorry.

I created a practice search and find for people to use with S&T 2006/7 and now it's completely useless. It's really hard to specify the city if the roads are in urban/suburban or even rural areas. UGH! I can't tell you how upset this all makes me.

Here's an example you can try in 2007 and 2009. I don't have 2008.
Intersection: US-12 and WA-261
Formatted according to S&T Help: US-12 & SR-261, WA

2007 Results: 1
US-12 & SR-261, Dayton, WA 99328

2009 Results: 8
Results include the entire US and aren't even CLOSE. It doesn't even include the CORRECT RESULT!!!!!!!!
US-171 & SR-26, Deridder, LA 70634
... (LA, MA, OR, RI, UT)
US-12 & SR-26, Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

If you type in the wrong city that the intersection is in then you get the whole US results anyway.

Anyone see if I'm doing something wrong? Is there a way to make this actually work like it did in 2007 because this is flat out BUSTED!

The only way to get the correct result in 2009 is to type in: US-12 & SR-261, Dayton, WA

What's the point of that? If there are multiple intersections of those two roads in the state then there's no way to get a list of them.

Curt

BTW, would it kill someone to add the ability to type in GPS coordinates in the quick Find bar like (format: 47.####, -90.####)

For whatever it's worth, I just tested S&T 2008 and got the same result you get in 2007.

For "US-12 & SR-261, WA" I got the single result in Dayton, WA 99328.

...ken...

Thanks Ken. I appreciate the check.

Curt

crazyst:

I copied and pasted this: (US-12 & SR-261, WA) into my 2009 and went to one location in Washington State that was this intersection between Delaney & Tucannon in Columbia County.

Regards,

Mike Flannigan

same here

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Thanks flannigan and Gladwin. That's great. I'm glad I'm doing something wrong. However it's unclear what I could be doing wrong to get the results I'm getting.

Mine doesn't appear to pick up the state.

Is it possible it's because I have both versions loaded on the same laptop? I doubt this is the case but I can't figure out why the state isn't being picked up by the Find dialog from the quick Find.

Curt

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crazyst:

As I said, I just copied and pasted (US-12 & SR-261, WA) into the search window and this is what I got.

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Yep, it should be that easy. Not sure how I can screw that up but somehow I've managed to do it.

Curt

Add Old Pushpins With New Template

Gladwin posted a new template for Streets & Trips 2009, and MapPoint 2009: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/1032-template-old-style-pushpins-streets-trips-2009-mappoint-2009-a

This is for most of us the easiest way to add the old-style pushpin symbols into our new 2009 program.

this version have europe MAP's?