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Review: Microsoft Streets and Trips 2009
cooknkpl
The first download was that size - the 2nd (which failed again) was much smaller. Also, it downloaded something called MS "Silverlight" which it didn't do the first time. I guess I'm not destined to upgrade!
cooknkpl
Tried just installing/runing it from the site vs. downloading & installing. Still same issue.
Marvin Hlavac
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Originally Posted by cooknkpl
I still use the little GPS "dongle" that I bought with my 2007 pkg. Are their "upgraded" versions?, or newer/better ones since then? I always like to stay at the cutting edge of technology!
I've seen a Streets & Trips 2009 box shot that has the same GPS-500 depicted on the front, and I've also seen a box shot that had something else there - perhaps a different USB GPS receiver. But it's not easy to judge something just by a small picture, so we may need to wait till the product appears in stores to find out.

The GPS-500 unit, which you have, is based on the SiRFstarIII chip. It is a very good receiver. Perhaps the only two bad things one could say: 1) The physical design could be improved. Some users managed to damage it. 2) It is small, so the internal antenna is also small. That leads to slightly worse sensitivity to weak satellite signals in comparison to GPS receivers based on the same chip, but with larger antennas. But if your UMPC or tablet PC or laptop is tiny, you may appreciate the small size of the GPS-500, and the slightly lower performance may be secondary.

When GPS-500 was first introduced, users of GPS-360 were very impressed when they upgraded.

By the way, good luck with trying to install the trial version. You may want to delete temporary files, and try to download again.
Gladwin
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
I've seen a Streets & Trips 2009 box shot that has the same GPS-500 depicted on the front, and I've also seen a box shot that had something else there - perhaps a different USB GPS receiver.
You can get more details on the latest USB GPS Receiver from the uBlox website.

You also have a high resolution picture of the newest GPS receiver on that page.
cooknkpl
So...is this unit technologically more advanced than the "500"?
Marvin Hlavac
Gladwin, thanks for the fresh link - the press release has today's day on it . It will be interesting to see if the new USB GPS stick makes it into S&T 2009 (not just MapPoint 2009).

cooknkpl, u-blox 5 is technology newer than SiRFstarIII. Judging purely by the numbers it seems the chip allows for a slightly more sensitivity to weak satellite signals: -160 dBm u-blox versus -159 dBm SiRFstarIII. 1dB is not much, it's not something most of us would likely notice, but it is an improvement nevertheless . But there are other factors to consider, such as design, antenna size, etc. Users will need to test the new USB GPS stick in real life to find out how well it performs.
cooknkpl
Thx everyone for all the "education"
My desire would be to have a faster "refresh" rate so I don't "overshoot" my turns when they are in close proximetry!
tcassidy
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Originally Posted by cooknkpl
Thx everyone for all the "education"
My desire would be to have a faster "refresh" rate so I don't "overshoot" my turns when they are in close proximetry!
A faster refresh rate ( which is available on some GPS units) would not give you quicker warnings about upcoming turns. That is a function of the software. The standard one second refresh rate works in all programs. Redraws may a bit smoother with a faster refresh rate.

Terry
nialag
In free translated English below...

Mauvaise planification de route!

J’ai testé aujourd’hui la version d’essaie de MS S&T 2009. Il y a des améliorations intéressantes, mais j’ai été très déçu de constater que des problèmes de planification de route qui existaient dans les versions précédentes (2006, 2007 et 2008) n’ont pas encore été corrigés.

À titre d’exemple, je suis toujours surpris lorsque je traverse Toronto par la 401, à l’occasion de mon départ vers le sud chaque automne, que S&T s’entête à me dévier via les collecteurs… Ou encore qu’à l’occasion d’un re-routage il me ramène au précédent point de passage au lieu de me diriger vers le prochain…?

Il semble que S&T 2009 me fera encore passer par les collecteurs de la 401… Mais il y a des erreurs qui sont plus importantes et rallonge de façon importante votre trajet. A titre d’exemple je joint ci-dessous le trajet de ma résidence d’été près de la ville de Québec au premier poste de ravitaillement en essence en banlieue de Montréal. ( Aller et retour - Deux sont la mauvaise route et les deux autres sont la bonne route) J’ai beau utiliser la sélection « route la plus rapide, route la plus courte ou éviter les routes secondaires » S&T s’entête à me faire passer via des routes secondaires par un long détour au nord qui augmente la longueur du trajet de plus de 35%.

Comme vous verrez dans les fichiers ci-joint Garmin Mobile PC me suggère immédiatement la route idéale…

Pourquoi S&T ne peut en faire autant ?


Bad choice of the road!

I tested today the trying version of MS S&T 2009. There are interesting improvements, but I was very disappointed to notice that many planning problems of the road which existed in the previous versions (2006, 2007 and 2008) were not corrected yet.

As example, I am always surprised when I cross Toronto by 401, on the occasion of my departure southward every autumn, when S&T persists in diverting me via the collectors … Or still that on the occasion of a re-routing it returns me to the previous passage instead of steering me towards the next point?

It seems that S&T 2009 will again make me pass by the collectors of 401 … But there are errors which are more important and expand in a important way your route. As example I joins below 4 road map ( Go and reverse - 2 are BAD made by S&T, and 2 are GOOD where I made corrections) from my summer residence near the city of Quebec to the first petrol station in suburb of Montreal. I may use the selection " the fastest road, the shortest road or to avoid minor roads " S&T persists in making me pass via minor roads by long bend in the North which increases the length of the route of more than 35 %.

As you will see in files attached Garmin Mobile PC suggests me at once the ideal road …

Why S&T cannot make it so much?
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lac-montr-al-bad.jpg   lac-montr-al-reverse-bad.jpg   lac-montr-al-good.jpg   lac-montr-al-reverse-good.jpg   lac-montr-al-garmin-mobile-pc.jpg  

Marvin Hlavac
Alain, I tried, but I was not able to reproduce the bad route. What Start and what End do we need to enter to recreate the problem? (I'm using just the default route options.)
nialag
Hi,

I start at 181 rue Gringras, Fossambault-sur-le-Lac, QC.
(show on the map below)
and I go to The Flying J at Dorion. You may go anywhere in Montréal, that will do the same...

Tanks

Alain
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Marvin Hlavac

  • Start: Fossambault-sur-le-Lac, QC, Canada
  • End: Montréal, QC, Canada
Indeed, I can see the problem now, Alain. It looks just like the first picture you posted. The issue is identical in both Streets & Trips 2009 and also 2008.
cooknkpl
I have the same problem often...It will try to send me a route that is not as good as an alternative route I would prefer. In Google Maps - Driving Direcitons, if you want a diff route than the one they show you, you can drag the points to the alternative choice & it will re-route you accordingly. Great tool for compating traveling scenarios. Now, if S&T would do that...
Marvin Hlavac
True, cooknkpl, very true. But the above routing issue is an obvious bug. It may be related to map data error, or routing algorithm issue, or something else. Over the past several years of using S&T, I have never experienced this kind of routing issue personally, but I've seen two or three other users (like Alain today) experiencing this.
nialag
You got it...

When you are in a unknow area that may become a big problem...

The deviation may not be always so wide, but you will get more millage and bad road...
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