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Garmin nRoute Problem: Not all background tiles appear to display
mullerh
I have been using nRoute for quite a while and particularly like on long road trips as the navigator to be able to look ahead and plan ahead. In the last while I have experience some problem in nRoute displaying maps which have been reverse convereted from the new format. See attachments. Not all backgound tiles appear to display. The funny thing is there is no problem with the display in both the old and new version of Mapsourse which are looking at the same converted files. I have experience this with both CN_NA_NT2010 & CN_Eur_NT2010. I have tried a number of times uninstalling and reinstalling both Mapsource T&WPM and nRoute. I have also experience the same problem, same mapsections on two different computers. I have had littel help from Garmin. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
Harold
Calgary
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tcassidy
Try this convertor tool if you are not already using it. I found similar problems using other methods.

JaVaWa GPS-tools | MapReverseConverter

Terry
mullerh
Thanks for the response. I have been using the Englsh version of the converter downloaded from the link you provided., Withe the results indicated.
Harold
tcassidy
I have used that converter with several of the latest versions of CNNA NT and have experienced no issues with MapSource. I don't use nRoute often enough to be as confident but can't see why it would respond differently from MapSource.

I am surprised you would expect support from Garmin while using a 3rd party conversion tool and a product they no longer update or acknowledge. Even their support for more recent products like Mobile PC is spotty at best.

Terry
mullerh
The problem is not in Mapsource T&WPM. The converted files view correctly in that program. The problem has only occurs in nRoute.

It has only recently started to ocurr, I suspect that perhaps it may be related to a recent Windows XP update since nRoute operation is dependant aon a number of Windows .dlls. I was hoping Garmin might have some knowledge of that. I recognize that I am going to get negligable support from Garmin when the files have been converted by 3rd party software.
Harold
Calgary
tcassidy
I did some further testing with nRoute, Vista and a legally unlocked copy of CNNANT 2010.2. The problem you show still exists but is related to background colour only as far as I could see. Detail was still present but the blue of the ocean disappeared on certain tiles at any zoom level.

As Garmin has made a conscious desicision to no longer support nRoute as evidenced by the need for a 3rd party tool just to view the latest maps, I can't see how anything will change from that end. You might want to talk to the map convertor writer to see if he has any insight into the problem.

Or you could move on to Mobile PC.

Terry
mullerh
Thanks for doing the additional testing. You are correct it is related mainly to background colour. Since you are experiencing the same problem I can be reasonable certain that it is not my install I think the problem is with nRoute since Mapsource still displays correctly. As I mentioned previously it could be occuring due to a change in one of the dlls which nRoute uses from Xp/Vista.
The original creator of the converter is in Poland. I may check out his website.
I looks like I will have to move on to something else. I tried Mobile PC but I preferred the features of nRoute.
- could load old tracks and routes from Mapsource
- zoom in and out easily and look at the road or city ahead.
I will also go through some of the reviews on this site of alternative programs.
Thanks again for you help
Harold
Calgary
tcassidy
The advantage of Mobile PC over other programs discussed here is its direct interaction with MapSource. You can easily use MapSource for the planning function and transfer the waypoints, routes, and/ or tracks directly to Mobile PC with the push of a button. Also, if you have other non-locked maps such as Topo Canada or MetroGuide Canada v5, they can work with Mobile PC. Locked maps are another issue altogether and can pose problems with the software version of Mobile PC.

You live in a location which has 2 of the better Garmin suppliers in Canada. I am sure they would love to help you$$.

Terry
EHCaddis
Hi Terry, can you explain how to get Topo Canada to work on Mobile PC? Does it show all the info from Topo Canada (like the topo lines, water bodies, etc). I would be very interested in this, but haven't the foggiest idea on how to bring the maps into Mobile PC. Thanks, gary
tcassidy
Mobile PC appears in the list of Transfer devices just like any other GPS. You select the map sections you want and initiate the transfer. MapSource compiles the map sections into a file (gmapsupp.img) and places it in the Mobile PC folder. You can selectively turn off or on these maps from within Mobile PC. Mobile PC is DEM aware but may not show what you need.

I once tried to transfer all of Topo Canada to Mobile PC and it failed. I think there is either a file number or size limit to the transfer but it is quite high. Consequently, I don't have the Calgary area at the moment. If there is a particular area you would like to see, let me know.

Terry
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EHCaddis
Thanks for this. It's good info to know.........Gary
Ken in Regina
Terry, there is both a file size limit and a limit on the number of map segments.

With Mobile PC the file size should be irrelevant because the file size limit is generally dependent upon the type of device the maps will be stored on. It's normally only an issue with SD cards which can only be formatted as FAT or FAT32.

The number of segments limit (2025 segments) applies to everything Garmin makes. For anyone savvy enough, and desperate enough, there is a way to combine map segments but it's not for the faint of heart.

...ken...
tcassidy
Ken,
I tried again to test. It appears to be a file size limit in the case of Topo Canada v4. There are only 1225 map segments but MapSource warns the map set is over 4GB.

Terry
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Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcassidy
Ken,
I tried again to test. It appears to be a file size limit in the case of Topo Canada v4. There are only 1225 map segments but MapSource warns the map set is over 4GB.

Terry
Is the drive formatted FAT32??

...ken...
tcassidy
All the partitions on this computer are NTFS. It may have just been a warning, however I didn't proceed past that point this time. I can't remember what the outcome was last time but was sure something choked - maybe GMPC.I'll try it again later on a faster computer.

Terry
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