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Reading old version files in new version of Microsoft Streets and Trips
Marvin Hlavac
That was very nice of him . I find that Streets & Trips users in general are very nice people .
kathlene
There appears to be a limit in the amt of text in the push pin title box. It won't take all the text I tried to put there to eliminate the lower info part.
The first box I clicked on to try, it also changed my pushpin icon. I had to go into the properties and change it back.
kathlene
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
That was very nice of him . I find that Streets & Trips users in general are very nice people .
Definitely found that out when I landed here!!!
SpadesFlush
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Originally Posted by kathlene
There appears to be a limit in the amt of text in the push pin title box. It won't take all the text I tried to put there to eliminate the lower info part.
The first box I clicked on to try, it also changed my pushpin icon. I had to go into the properties and change it back.
Kathlene, I think I found a work-around to eliminate the two unwanted lines of address (always the same) from you pushpin flags. I am sorry but it is a bit tedious and somewhat counter-intuitive.

Go to each pushpin one-by-one and cut it (select pushpin, right-click, Cut) and then immediately Paste it back into the map (\Edit[at the top of the screen], Paste). The pushpin will be reinserted at the correct place but without the two lines of address. Odd functioning of the software, but it seems to work.
SpadesFlush
Well, I went ahead and did the whole map, see attached. Please double check that all the pushpins are there as I may have inadvertently deleted one or two.

When doing the paste function, I found it easier to hit Alt-E-P.
Attached Files
File Type: est 2ndCopy of sgk2005Day1_test PK.est (224.0 KB)
kathlene
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Originally Posted by SpadesFlush
Well, I went ahead and did the whole map, see attached. Please double check that all the pushpins are there as I may have inadvertently deleted one or two.

When doing the paste function, I found it easier to hit Alt-E-P.
OMG! Thank you so much. Way beyond anything I expected. You rock!!
I tell that was alot easier then having to retype each box.
SpadesFlush
Glad to help, Kathlene; we all learned something from your inquiry.
Gladwin
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Originally Posted by SpadesFlush
Kathlene, I think I found a work-around to eliminate the two unwanted lines of address (always the same) from you pushpin flags. I am sorry but it is a bit tedious and somewhat counter-intuitive.

Go to each pushpin one-by-one and cut it (select pushpin, right-click, Cut) and then immediately Paste it back into the map (Edit[at the top of the screen], Paste). The pushpin will be reinserted at the correct place but without the two lines of address. Odd functioning of the software, but it seems to work.
Cutting each pushpin and pasting them actually creates multiple pushpin sets that might make it hard to manage these pushpins in ST2010. Try cutting the Pushpin set from the legends and overview pane and pasting it again, this also eliminates the problem. Not sure if this is a file conversion issue or an issue specific to this file, but we will surely look into this.

Kathlene, I updated the file and saved it using 2010 and have attached it now. In the process of doing this we found that ST2004 works on Win7 and we also created a same version of your file using ST2004 and that opens in ST2010 without any issues. I am able to repro this problem only with the file that you have provided and not able to recreate the full problem from scratch.
Attached Files
File Type: est 2ndCopy of sgk2005Day1_test.est (208.0 KB)
Ken in Regina
Hi Gladwin. Rather than repeat my summary and speculation about the problem, if you haven't already seen this short thread please take a peek.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2690-bug-related-converting-files-w-pushpins-new-streets-trips-version

Thanks.

...ken...
Gladwin
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I tested it in 2009 and 2010 and it produces the same result. It has that same spurious address in the address fields of all the pushpins after it runs through the matching.
Hi Ken,

When you say you tested it in 2009 and 2010, did you actually recreate the complete scenario by installing ST2004 and created a est file and you saw the same problem that Kathlene sees, while opening the ST2004 file that you just created?

Or did you just open the file that Kathlene provided using ST2009 and ST2010? I am able to repro the problem with the file that Kathlene had provided, But i am trying to see how one can create such a file using ST2004.
kathlene
You all are the bomb! Although alot of this is going over my head, did I mention, I am 'almost' 5'.
I've read the two discussions and I don't know if this has any merit, but when I first opened the 04 file in 10 version, the address wasn't in the boxes. I remember looking at the boxes to find one that had a 'real' address in it. That is why that address was used in the search box. After the search is when it popped into the other boxes.
Again, thank you all ever so much.
I'm in the process of searching the forum now to learn new things
Marvin Hlavac
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I'm in the process of searching the forum now to learn new things
Kathlene, I'm not sure if anyone already mentioned it, or if you've already stumbled upon it yourself, but there is a wealth of knowledge in our Tips & Tricks for Streets & Trips section. You've been using S&T for ages, so most of the stuff is a second nature to you, but there may be a tip or two that you may still find useful.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Gladwin
Hi Ken,

When you say you tested it in 2009 and 2010, did you actually recreate the complete scenario by installing ST2004 and created a est file and you saw the same problem that Kathlene sees, while opening the ST2004 file that you just created?

Or did you just open the file that Kathlene provided using ST2009 and ST2010? I am able to repro the problem with the file that Kathlene had provided, But i am trying to see how one can create such a file using ST2004.
Hi Gladwin,

I don't have anything older than 2008 that I could install and test with. So I just tried loading the files that Kathlene provided. At least one of them was saved out of 2010 so it's not relevant (eg. it does not trigger the "older version/needs matching" dialog when it's opened but already has the bogus address in it). I assumed the other two were originals from her 2004 version because they do trigger the "older version/needs matching" dialog. Immediately after the matching, without me doing anything else, the bogus address is there in all of the pushpins.

Unfortunately I don't know for sure that any of the files Kathlene provided are 2004 originals or if they have all been through 2010 in some way.

Kathlene, is there any way you could attach a copy of one of your 2004 files that A) has never been in 2010 and B) does not have that bogus address in the pushpins (check it in 2004, not in 2010)? That would be most helpful.

...ken...
Larry
Hi Ken,

Kathlene sent before and after files in this post: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2636-reading-old-version-files-new-version-microsoft-streets-trips#post19760

I do have a version of S&T 2004 and was able to open the 2004 files with no conversion needed. The address was not shown in the balloons while viewing in S&T 2004.
Ken in Regina
Thanks, Larry. Those are the files I have been working with. But it's not absolutely clear to me that any of those files have never been through 2010 on her machine. The reason I have some hesitation about that is that Kathlene has mentioned on more than one occasion that she loaded a 2004 file, did a search on that specific address and now it shows up in all the pushpins.

I was assuming that she did the search in 2010. But if that's the case, how is it that that specific address is corrupting her 2004 files that supposedly have never been loaded in 2010?

So, either she did the search for that address in 2004 and subsequently loaded those files in 2004 and corrupted them before they ever got into 2010.

Or she did the search in 2010 and all of the files she has attached have somehow been corrupted by 2010.

Or that address is somewhere in the 2004 files and when 2010 runs the matching routine it is using it to fill the address fields on any pushpins that don't already have address information in them.

Or something like that. As I have mentioned, Streets&Trips matching routine appears unpredictable to me. I say that because it does things that are strange when viewed from the outside. Without knowing the exact algorithm I have no idea whether its behavior is exactly as designed or if it truly is as demented as it sometimes seems.

So, I would like a run at this with at least one file that does not have that bogus address showing in the info balloons of the pushpins in Streets&Trips 2004 on Kathlene's computer and that Kathlene is absolutely positively 100% certain has never been anywhere near 2010 before she attaches it here. Just as a baseline test.

...ken...
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