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Reading old version files in new version of Microsoft Streets and Trips
SpadesFlush
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Originally Posted by Gladwin
Cutting each pushpin and pasting them actually creates multiple pushpin sets that might make it hard to manage these pushpins in ST2010. Try cutting the Pushpin set from the legends and overview pane and pasting it again, this also eliminates the problem. ...
I'm glad there is an easier way.
kathlene
yes, the files that do not say copy, were original files. I made copies of them to play with. But I will be happy to supply any files you need.
BTW, I leave for track days tomorrow on the Buell, will be away from internet except for the IPhone.. if service for that is even available where I am going (willow) Be back sun or mon.
kathlene
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina

Or she did the search in 2010 and all of the files she has attached have somehow been corrupted by 2010.

Or that address is somewhere in the 2004 files and when 2010 runs the matching routine it is using it to fill the address fields on any pushpins that don't already have address information in them.

Or something like that. As I have mentioned, Streets&Trips matching routine appears unpredictable to me. I say that because it does things that are strange when viewed from the outside. Without knowing the exact algorithm I have no idea whether its behavior is exactly as designed or if it truly is as demented as it sometimes seems.

no searches were done in 2004, It was the binocular icon in 2010 that caught my curiosity, LOL

So, I would like a run at this with at least one file that does not have that bogus address showing in the info balloons of the pushpins in Streets&Trips 2004 on Kathlene's computer and that Kathlene is absolutely positively 100% certain has never been anywhere near 2010 before she attaches it here. Just as a baseline test.

...ken...
here ya go, day 2 and day 3 have not been anywhere near 2010, and none of the days of _06 have been open in a year or more, nor been anywhere near 2010
and I am not sure if these files have that address in it..as the route changed most years. I do know that day 2 and 3 will most likely NOT have the same addresses and any of the other files.
Attached Files
File Type: est sgk2005Day2.est (212.5 KB)
File Type: est sgk2005Day3.est (211.5 KB)
File Type: est sgk2005Day1_06.est (204.5 KB)
File Type: est sgk2005Day2_06.est (212.5 KB)
File Type: est sgk2005Day3_06.est (207.0 KB)
Ken in Regina
Thanks hugely, Kathlene. Have a great time on the Buell. And look after it well. They aren't making any more of them.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by kathlene
here ya go, day 2 and day 3 have not been anywhere near 2010, and none of the days of _06 have been open in a year or more, nor been anywhere near 2010
and I am not sure if these files have that address in it..as the route changed most years. I do know that day 2 and 3 will most likely NOT have the same addresses and any of the other files.
Hi Kathlene,

I've opened all five of those latest files in 2010.

Four of them do not have the bogus address in them.

One of them (sgk2005Day1_06.est) has that same address in the info balloons of all the pushpins.

It looks like it must be something you did in 2004 in some of the files, before they ever saw 2010.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
There is still something happening that I don't understand. I took a look in the 2004 .EST file (using a moderately smart text editor) that shows up in 2010 with "3545 Del Mar Heights Rd" in every info balloon and I can only find a single instance of that address in the file.

I had expected to see multiple instances in the file associated with all of the pushpins or else positioned somewhere in the file that a single instance might reasonably be assumed to be a "global" data element. But it only appears in a list of other addresses in the file.

I guess I better stop looking at it. Without a schema for the 2004 .EST file I'm just wasting time now, I think.

...ken...
Bill the Noob!
I am not a very sophisticated user so I am going to explain my question in detail and hope someone will be able to answer. It is about backward compatibility.

I have used S&T 2004 for several years in my business as a locator map; that is I have my clients' locations (chain restaurants and the like) as pushpin sets and I have my network of independent contractors (IC's) in pushpin sets. The purpose is to find the closest IC to a client location. I've updated these over the years by adding sets. We've also updated them by making notes on the individual IC's pushpins so there is valuable historical data there.

The files are on a server and accessed by 3 of us here in the office on our individual desktops.

We are about to scrap our old desktops and get new ones. We ordered the 32 bit version of Windows 7 to insure backwards compatibility with some older MS Access apps we use.

If we purchase S&T 2011 and install an individual copy on each of our new desktops will it open the 2004 files?
SpadesFlush
No.

Backwards compatability only extends a few versions but 2011 certainly will not bridge as far back as 2004. I think 2007 will open 2004 files and maybe 2011 will open 2007 files (I know 2010 will), so you might try getting a copy of 2007 and run the conversion on that and again on 2011.
Bill the Noob!
SpadesFlush, thank you!

At least now I know what I can't do. The 2007 suggestion is a good one and I might try that.

But here is another question. I have all of the software for the 2004 version. I really don't, for my purposes, even need to have the maps updated with new roads etc.

So, will the old 2004 software be compatible with Win7 Pro and can I just load that and all will be well?

Thanks again for the first answer and for the anticipated one to come.
SpadesFlush
To be honest, I don't know.

I just did a search through my old stuff but I could not find S&T 2004 (I cannot remember if I had that specific year but I probably have it somewhere) to test it in my Win7U environment.

But what's the downside? Either it will run or it won't. If it does - great! If not, there are a few things you can do. How many files are we talking about anyway?
Bill the Noob!
Well, I have 20 different files. (different States or grouping of States) Over the years I have imported data groups to each of them on several occasions so that Looking in the Legends and Overview on any of them you will find 6 or up to 12 different listings.

The thing is that I have all of the things I keep track of in a database but on the maps themselves I have changed pushpins, etc to help direct searches and losing all those years of work would be miserable.

I see the copy/paste fix that has been mentioned in this thread. That seems quite tedious especially given that it seems I would have to copy/paste first from 2004 to 2007 and then from 2007 to 2011.

Thanks for continuing to think on this. I appreciate it.
Marvin Hlavac
Hi Bill, and welcome to the forum. The Copy & Paste method should work regardless of which versions you use. It should allow you to copy your pushpin sets (or individual pushpins), and even some other elements (such as drawings on the map, text boxes on the map) from your 2004 to your new 2011 (and even from new ST2011 back to old ST2004). The only thing which doesn't work is opening actual files, which were saved in much older version, in a current version.
SpadesFlush
And elaborating on Marvin's point of copying and pasting, note that if you do that at the set level, rather than individual pushpins, it is very quick and easy. Even 12 different sets (listings) can be done in about a minute.
Bill the Noob!
Hey Marvin. Thanks for jumping in here. So if I am understanding this correctly you both recommend the best avenue to be that of getting 2011, installing it alongside the 2004 version and then with both versions open copy/pasting the pin sets from 2004 to 2011?

I just want to be sure before I shoot out of the starting blocks without knowing for sure the track I'm on.
Marvin Hlavac
Yeah, if all that you need to preserve is your pushpin sets, the Copy & Paste procedure is what I would try to do first. You don't even need to buy Streets & Trips 2011, as you can just download the trial version, test it, and if you are happy with the results, then buy the boxed product, and use its activation code to activate the downloaded software (there's no difference between the downloaded trial and the boxed retail product.
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