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How to use Garmin Nuvi as a GPS receiver for MS Streets & Trips (via GpsGate)
laserman
Hi: I myself have recently purchased MS Streets and trips along with Microsoft Autoroute 2012 that works on the same platform. During my search to buy a compatible GPS device, specially within the Garmin line of products, I realize the major compatibility problem associated between the MS softwares and the GPS device communities. I understand the USB/Com port communication problem. Within some forums, it is said the using a Franson/GPS gate interface, it would render my softwares compatible with any Garmin devices. Could you confirm this claim?
tcassidy
I guess it depends on what you want to do and which Nuvi you are considering. Based on your 2 posts, I assume you are interested in planning your trip in S&T and using the created file with a Nuvi.

Unfortunately, this usage has nothing to do with GPS Gate or USB to Comm issues, but rather if the Nuvi will accept the gpx file that S&T can generate. I don't think the newer Nuvis will work in this mode but am not sure which older ones will.

Can you give us some idea as to the Nuvis you have or are looking at.

Terry
laserman
I am considering the purchase of the Nuvi 2475LT
Ken in Regina
Hi Laserman,

Terry makes a point that is worth repeating and, therefore, worth making sure you understood what he was getting at.

You have not made it clear which of two possible options you are considering:

1. Using Streets&Trips to plan your trip, transferring the planned trip to a Garmin device like the Nuvi 2475LT you mentioned and then using the Nuvi as a standalone navigation device for navigation in your vehicle.

OR...

2. Using a device like the Nuvi 2475LT as an external GPS receiver and using Streets & Trips on something like a tablet for the navigation in your vehicle.

The first option is simple. As has been mentioned at least a couple of times, all you need is a standalone navigation device like a Garmin Nuvi that allows you to load a GPX file onto it.

The second option is a potential nightmare. As you should already have noticed from the discussions you have been reading, there are only a very few Nuvi models that support sending the GPS signal to the computer and allowing them to be used as external GPS receivers.

For those few models that support this sort of function, it's difficult to get them into the proper mode to do it. And it's even more difficult to discover which models support this function in the first place.

If you want to use Streets&Trips for the in-car navigation functions on, say, a tablet or similar device, rather than just using it for the planning functions, you will be much better off getting a proper external GPS receiver like a GlobalSat BU-353 or similar.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
If you wish to use a Garmin Nuvi as a standalone navigation device and use a program on the PC to do your trip planning, you will likely find it more convenient to use a Garmin PC program like Basecamp for your trip planning. The very latest version adds new trip planning features that finally make it a lot closer to Streets & Trips or Street Atlas for that purpose. And it's a lot easier to transfer planned trips from Basecamp to a Garmin navigation device.

If you want to explore that possibility I suggest you start a discussion about it in the Garmin forum so we can keep in on topic.

...ken...
laserman
Thanks Ken for your reply. My intention is to:
1. Using Streets&Trips to plan my trip, transferring the planned trip to a Garmin device like the Nuvi 2475LT and then using the Nuvi as a standalone navigation device for navigation in your vehicle.
But, thru my exchanges in these forums, I wonder if the simplest solution would be the combination of S & T for planning my trip (or I heard coPilot was also great)and a tablet such as Windows 8 coming up.AS for GPS receptor I would just plug a device like Bulldog Guardog antenna into the PC tablet.
What do you think?
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by laserman
Thanks Ken for your reply. My intention is to:
1. Using Streets&Trips to plan my trip, transferring the planned trip to a Garmin device like the Nuvi 2475LT and then using the Nuvi as a standalone navigation device for navigation in your vehicle.
You can transfer waypoints from S&T to any standalone nav unit that can import .GPX, files. But any actual route you plan in S&T will cannot be exported. All you can do is import waypoints as "favorites" (or whatever the terminology is) meaning that you will have to rebuild a multi-step trip in the standalone nav unit. Whatever standalone nav unit you import S&T waypoints into will recalculate the route based on it's own internal algorithms.
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4966-best-gps-device-buy-compatible-streets-trips#post44380

You can also export .GPX (and other format) files from google maps by using the "Send to GPS" feature, but only for single specific places you search for on the map.

What this means is that the you cannot really plan a trip in S&T or google maps, export it, and then use a standalone nav unit to guide you on that trip. What you can do is use S&T or google maps to find specific locations, export those locations, import them into a nav unit where they will show up in a list of 'favorite places' that you can chose as destinations.

AFAIK, you have to build any multi-step trip in the nav unit itself. If anyone knows of any standalone nav units that can import a complete multi-step trip from S&T, and navigate on that trip without having to rebuild it (by choosing waypoints from the list of 'favorites' please feel free to correct me.


I know you've mentioned Garmin, but to put a little perspective on this, consider how it works with TomTom, which has an online route planner (similar to, but inferior to, google maps), here: http://routes.tomtom.com and you might logically assume that you could export a route planned with this route planner to a TomTom nav unit, since they tell you here: http://www.tomtom.com/addto/ that people can "add a route description to their TomTom device" but when you dig a little deeper you will find this in the FAQs:

Can I send route information to my TomTom device?

Yes, you can send either the start or the destination of a route to your TomTom navigation device.

http://routes.tomtom.com/help/faq#SendingInformation_RouteInfo

There is a lot of this stuff that doesn't quite measure up to 1) the hype, and 2) how common sense would suggest that it should work.

So all you actually get even from TomTom's own route planner is "either the start or the destination of a route"

TomTom does have a "route" file... it's an .ITN (itinerary) file, but to export that from google maps, 3rd party software is required, as discussed here:
http://www.tomtomforums.com/t28044-can-i-route-plan-computer-d-l-device.html

And as a comment to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3ampq8kgw
noted, even if you do that, the standalone nav unit still re-calculates the route: "...if you make a route in google maps than transfer to tomtom, tomtom will change route you set up...so whats the point???"
laserman
I'm pretty sure I will be looking at the Tablet/S & T solution. I will wait to see if the next Windows 8 Tablet will have an integrated GPS receiver. Alternative would be to add a Globalsat BU-353 S4 receptor. Not much is said in these forums about the Tablet/S & T solution that seems to be the best. I guess probably because too new on the market? I'm slightly concerned about the screen size for that solution. I will stop monitoring this forum and rather try to find a forum related to this latter solution. Any last suggestions welcomed. Thank you all
tcassidy
I have a Fujitsu q550 10" Windows tablet running Win 7. S&T runs fine on it, as does CoPilot. However, if it is possible for you, I would wait for Win 8 to be released. There should be a flood of Windows tablets on the market then and prices may be better. S&T should have no problem with Win 8 but I don't know about CoPilot.

Terry
laserman
When you say : wait for Win 8 to be released`,,, Do you mean wait for the OS Windows 8 or the Windows 8 Tablet? I've searched for a Windows tablet and don't find so I guess this Windows 8 Tablet will be a first for MSFT?
When you say: There should be a flood of Windows tablets on the market Why? Is it because there will be price drop on the Tablets running Windows 7?
Do you know if Windows 8 Tablet will have GPS sensor integrated ?
tcassidy
Windows 8 is an operating system. Many manufacturers such as Asus, HP, Acer who license it from Microsoft make hardware that will run it. Once the operating system (win8 Pro) is released, these manufacturers will start selling tablets running it. Then there will be some competition between the products and prices may show that. Expected release is late October.

Also, as you say, prices of existing Windows tablets may fall. The selection is so limited though that this may not make a difference.

Terry
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by laserman
I'm pretty sure I will be looking at the Tablet/S & T solution. I will wait to see if the next Windows 8 Tablet will have an integrated GPS receiver. Alternative would be to add a Globalsat BU-353 S4 receptor. Not much is said in these forums about the Tablet/S & T solution that seems to be the best. I guess probably because too new on the market? I'm slightly concerned about the screen size for that solution. I will stop monitoring this forum and rather try to find a forum related to this latter solution. Any last suggestions welcomed. Thank you all
An integrated GPS receiver will probably not work as well as an external Globalsat BU-353 S3 much less the S4.

For example, my Thrive tablet takes nearly a minute to acquire a GPS fix with a clear view of the sky, which is several times longer than any of the (much cheaper) standalone nav units I've tested. The built-in GPS antennas are smaller and have lower gain than a dedicated external receiver.

I also would not count on most Windows 8 tablets having a built-in GPS receiver either. Only the more expensive Wi-Fi only Android tablets have one, and of course a GPS receiver is conspicuously absent from the WiFi iPad.
SpadesFlush
The surest thing would be to get the BU-353 (preferably the S4) so that your tablet buying decision is not encumbered by concerns about a built-in GPS chip. From a cost perspective, the incremental cost of a GPS-equipped tablet or laptop is likely to be more that the price of a BU-353. You then would have greater breadth of choice, too.

As for velcro-ing a laptop to the dashboard of your rental car, I would forget that. There are strict EU regulations about blocking visibility through the windshield and such a configuration probably won't fly even if there seems to be room for it.
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