I just saw the following note at DeLorme website.
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Note: We expect to begin shipping the new, 2009 version of Street Atlas USA in early April. Still taking orders for Street Atlas 2008.
What??? Only 4 months into 2008 and they are already planning to ship 2009? That's insane.... why call it 2009 call it 2008 RC2... sheesh
DJEvergreen, I hear you , but DeLorme is not alone with this version numbering. Even Garmin has scheduled its North America 2009 map update for release in April of 2008 .
Judging by the screenshot above, DeLorme has done a lot of work on the user interface. A year ago Street Atlas would have been the very last GPS navigation program I would have recommended to someone with a small screen UMPC, but this 2009 version may change that. SA 2009 has 3D-perspective view, it has large buttons (at least some of them are large). One thing that worries me is the location of the GPS position icon - it seems too high. On another picture I've seen, the car icon was on the bottom of the screen - where it should be. This makes me suspect the icon is not pinned to one spot on the screen (as it should be), but it likely moves(!). Too bad (I think). But it all remains to be seen. DeLorme Street Atlas 2009, and DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2009, both should be released within days (Monday, April 7, if I'm correct).
Just ordered LT-40 friday from FRYS. I don't know a thing about GPS, but I'm willing to learn. Should be here tomorrow. Can't wait! Downloaded the User Guide and already reading. I sure hope I'm trainable.
Jim, if it arrives tomorrow, you will likely be the first one around here who owns it! I'm looking forward to reading your feedback - especially since you are a first-time user. Such feedback shows the best if a product has been designed to be new-user friendly.
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Originally Posted by Jim Ross
Just ordered LT-40 friday from FRYS. ...
This is probably a really dumb question but what's "LT-40"?
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LT-40 is Delourme Street Atlas with a GPS reciever included. There's a writeup abut it in another section of this forum.
Here's the link: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/222-delorme-debut-earthmate-gps-lt-40-stmicroelectronics-teseo-chipset
But just a question, Jim, did you order just this receiver (LT-40), or you ordered the hardware/software bundle that includes DeLorme Street Atlas 2009? I think it only sells with Street Atlas program included, am I correct?
But just a question, Jim, did you order just this receiver (LT-40), or you ordered the hardware/software bundle that includes DeLorme Street Atlas 2009? I think it only sells with Street Atlas program included, am I correct?
I ordered the Earthmate GPS LT-40 with software and the GPS receiver from FRYS.com for 59.99 with a 20.00 rebate and a 10.00 rebate which I didn't qualify for. So that brought my cost to 29.99 plus 4.72 for shipping. But Hurry! I tnink the rebate is only good 4/04 to 4/08. Only another day or so . I tracked my shipment and it estimated delivery tomorrow.
The price $29.99 sounds too good to be true. A GPS unit alone would normally cost more! The software program alone is being sold for more! Great deal, indeed!
Go to FRYS.COM. I got that info from DeLorme's forum. Sugested rtail is same as LT-20.Also go to Amazon.com and search Delorme Earthmate GPS LT-40 and see all the cool maps.
This the reciever and street atlas 2009. It's not steet atlas 2009 plus or TOPO7.0 wnich really raises to price. I don't think it is available with TOPO7.0 yet.
Thanks for the clarification, Jim. I was just on the Frys website and I wondered what the difference is between the product you ordered and the one for $99. That clears it up.
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Ken, that's the price difference between Street Atlas and Street Atlas Plus. The 'Plus' version description at DeLorme website states the following:
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Everything in the regular version plus extensive data import capability, 150 million U.S. and Canadian phone listings, and higher-end print and draw tools.
Well, the LT-40 showed up on my doorstep today. I may try to install it tonight or tomorrow. I'll let you know how it went. Remember, I'm a newbie, even to computers. so please be patient with me if I have some questions that might sound stupid to the rest of you. THANKS
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Originally Posted by Jim Ross
Well, the LT-40 showed up on my doorstep today. I may try to install it tonight or tomorrow. I'll let you know how it went. Remember, I'm a newbie, even to computers. so please be patient with me if I have some questions that might sound stupid to the rest of you. THANKS
By the way, my DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2009 is being shipped today, but it may take a while to arrive - it's coming from the USA to Canada. Packages usually get delayed at the border.
The screen shots of the new capabilities are interesting and are worth exploring.
But the things that still concern me with Street Atlas are:
1. Does it still use the same old non-intuitive interface?
2. Even in SA2008 the map data was - to be nice - not good. How much of an update was actually done for US cities?
3. Will SA2009 route me direct over main roads or will I have bounce all directions against Mapquest or Streets and Trips to insure that I am not being routed through East Podunk.
Frys has a nice rebate going for SA2009. It would be nice to know these answers prior to plunking down the cash.
But the things that still concern me with Street Atlas are:
1. Does it still use the same old non-intuitive interface?
2. Even in SA2008 the map data was - to be nice - not good. How much of an update was actually done for US cities?
3. Will SA2009 route me direct over main roads or will I have bounce all directions against Mapquest or Streets and Trips to insure that I am not being routed through East Podunk.
Frys has a nice rebate going for SA2009. It would be nice to know these answers prior to plunking down the cash.
To be honest, I haven't a clue. I guess i'm fix'n to find out.
Gunnermac, yes, map data quality is a big question. That will be one of the first things I will look at after I install Street Atlas 2009. I know exactly what the issues were in previous versions in my geographical area, so it's going to take literally just a matter of seconds to see if substantial improvements have been made or not.
I've been monkeying around with SA 2008 Plus and I have to say that I'm ... well, not impressed exactly but much more interested than I expected to be after all the negative comments I've heard about it when it's compared to MS Streets & Trips and Garmin products.
First I installed it to my laptop and played with the phone directory. Then I plugged in the GPS from Streets & Trips, fiddled a bit with the settings in Franson GPSGate, used Garmin's nroute to ensure the GPS had a good lock, then connected SA to the GPS.
Then I tried installing it to my Garmin iQue 3600. It's a Palm-OS based PDA with an integral GPS and Garmin's QUE navigation software.
I don't like the fact that it doesn't know how to use the entire display on the iQue (it has a virtual data entry area that can be used as screen space by applications that understand it). I like the fact that it uses the full resolution of the portion it does use. And I was quite pleasantly surprised to discover that it knows how to use the iQue's internal GPS. So I could choose to use SA as the primary nav application on the iQue and it's a way to use the SA maps if I find some features I like about them. Next step is to export some SA maps to the iQue and take a drive to see how I like the in-car navigation on the handheld.
I like the phone directory. It seems to be pretty extensive, even in Canada, and has some interesting features. I think I'm supposed to be able to install the phone directory onto the handheld for portable use but I haven't been able to figure out how yet.
Perhaps the biggest surprise to me is the quality of the maps in Canada. It's generally a bit more visually pleasing display than the Garmin City Navigator maps. I think, visually, it compares nicely to Streets & Trips.
The geographical features (for instance water bodies like lakes and rivers) are somewhere between Garmin's City Navigator North America product and Garmin's Metroguide Canada product. The geographical features are not quite as accurate and complete as the DMTI-based Metroguide Canada maps but it's miles ahead of the Navteq-based City Navigator maps (and, of course, MS Streets & Trips which is also based on the same Navteq data).
I haven't looked closely at the street grids and street names yet. That's next on my list in the locations in western Canada I use as my benchmark for comparison.
The only major negative I've been able to find so far is that the search feature doesn't seem to be able to find locations in Canada. I will have to explore that some more to see if it simply doesn't work or if I just haven't managed to get that part figured out yet.
If I continue to like it as much as I do so far I might have to see if I can find a version of SA 2009 Plus that comes without the GPS.
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First I installed it to my laptop and played with the phone directory. Then I plugged in the GPS from Streets & Trips, fiddled a bit with the settings in Franson GPSGate, used Garmin's nroute to ensure the GPS had a good lock, then connected SA to the GPS.
Then I tried installing it to my Garmin iQue 3600. It's a Palm-OS based PDA with an integral GPS and Garmin's QUE navigation software.
I don't like the fact that it doesn't know how to use the entire display on the iQue (it has a virtual data entry area that can be used as screen space by applications that understand it). I like the fact that it uses the full resolution of the portion it does use. And I was quite pleasantly surprised to discover that it knows how to use the iQue's internal GPS. So I could choose to use SA as the primary nav application on the iQue and it's a way to use the SA maps if I find some features I like about them. Next step is to export some SA maps to the iQue and take a drive to see how I like the in-car navigation on the handheld.
I like the phone directory. It seems to be pretty extensive, even in Canada, and has some interesting features. I think I'm supposed to be able to install the phone directory onto the handheld for portable use but I haven't been able to figure out how yet.
Perhaps the biggest surprise to me is the quality of the maps in Canada. It's generally a bit more visually pleasing display than the Garmin City Navigator maps. I think, visually, it compares nicely to Streets & Trips.
The geographical features (for instance water bodies like lakes and rivers) are somewhere between Garmin's City Navigator North America product and Garmin's Metroguide Canada product. The geographical features are not quite as accurate and complete as the DMTI-based Metroguide Canada maps but it's miles ahead of the Navteq-based City Navigator maps (and, of course, MS Streets & Trips which is also based on the same Navteq data).
I haven't looked closely at the street grids and street names yet. That's next on my list in the locations in western Canada I use as my benchmark for comparison.
The only major negative I've been able to find so far is that the search feature doesn't seem to be able to find locations in Canada. I will have to explore that some more to see if it simply doesn't work or if I just haven't managed to get that part figured out yet.
If I continue to like it as much as I do so far I might have to see if I can find a version of SA 2009 Plus that comes without the GPS.
...ken...
More playing with SA 2008+.
I was wrong about it not being able to use the full screen space on the iQue 3600. (If I wasn't completely clear in my previous note, the iQue has a virtual grafiti area. That is, the area where you use the stylus to "write" using the graffiti characters is part of the display screen rather than a dedicated hardware pad like on most Palm devices. It can be removed from the screen to allow an application to utilize the full 480 x 320 screen space of the display.) If I manually remove the virtual graffiti area (a simple tap on the applicable icon) SA will immediately redraw the map to utilize the full screen.
I selected some map tiles to transfer to the iQue so I can try navigating with it. It takes SA at least four times as long to compile even a simple map segment for loading to the handheld. I thought Mapsource was slow but SA is truly awful. You also can't select map tiles at a very high zoom level so if you want any sizeable area you are forced to constantly scroll around to get everything you want. Final gripe is that when it gives you the option to transfer to an SD card instead of the internal memory of the handheld it does not actually know how to transfer directly to an SD card reader. It sets it up to Hotsync to the card through the handheld. For a large map, that could be another excruciatingly long process. Garmin's Mapsource also gives you the option of going directly to the SD card if it sees one in a reader instead of on the handheld.
Aside from those annoyances it's pretty simple to select an area and transfer it.
SA on the handheld is quite a bit slower to redraw the map when you are manually panning. That's pretty similar to SA on the computer as well ... slower redraws than Mapsource or MS Streets&Trips. The biggest annoyance on the computer is that SA does not pan seamlessly. You just get a grey cross-hatched area dragged onto the screen instead of the adjacent map display. You have to drag and then wait for it to redraw after you stop. You never know whether you are dragging far enough or not.
Garmin's Mapsource and MS S&T both pan seamlessly on the computer. Garmin's Que software on the handheld also pans fairly seamlessly in most situations. It's not perfect but the iQue 3600 is pretty underpowered by today's standards for Palm devices.
I reinstalled SA 2008+ today. Now I can search for locations (addresses, cities, etc.) in Canada. I think I installed the Phone Book before I installed the SA application the first time. This time I installed the application and maps first and the Phone Book database second. That seems to have done the trick.
I took some time to check my benchmark locations and SA 2008 comes out pretty decently compared to Garmin's City Navigator.
Marvin, you may recall the discussion about Ladysmith, BC, over in the Garmin nroute section as a bad example of Navteq's Canadian data. SA has the full street grid complete with all street names and civic addresses. When you consider that Garmin wants more money just for the City Navigator mapset than you pay for a complete SA Plus package with GPS and phone directory, I would have to say that SA compares mighty favourably.
That said, I also found areas in a couple of larger centres that indicate the data is not as current as it could be for new developments and road changes. It's odd because there are spots where it's behind City Navigator v8, which is roughly a "2007" product, but other areas where it's more complete even than City Navigator 2008 (eg. Ladysmith, BC).
Perhaps I'll take a little drive this afternoon and see what the nav looks like on the handheld.
...ken...
I was wrong about it not being able to use the full screen space on the iQue 3600. (If I wasn't completely clear in my previous note, the iQue has a virtual grafiti area. That is, the area where you use the stylus to "write" using the graffiti characters is part of the display screen rather than a dedicated hardware pad like on most Palm devices. It can be removed from the screen to allow an application to utilize the full 480 x 320 screen space of the display.) If I manually remove the virtual graffiti area (a simple tap on the applicable icon) SA will immediately redraw the map to utilize the full screen.
I selected some map tiles to transfer to the iQue so I can try navigating with it. It takes SA at least four times as long to compile even a simple map segment for loading to the handheld. I thought Mapsource was slow but SA is truly awful. You also can't select map tiles at a very high zoom level so if you want any sizeable area you are forced to constantly scroll around to get everything you want. Final gripe is that when it gives you the option to transfer to an SD card instead of the internal memory of the handheld it does not actually know how to transfer directly to an SD card reader. It sets it up to Hotsync to the card through the handheld. For a large map, that could be another excruciatingly long process. Garmin's Mapsource also gives you the option of going directly to the SD card if it sees one in a reader instead of on the handheld.
Aside from those annoyances it's pretty simple to select an area and transfer it.
SA on the handheld is quite a bit slower to redraw the map when you are manually panning. That's pretty similar to SA on the computer as well ... slower redraws than Mapsource or MS Streets&Trips. The biggest annoyance on the computer is that SA does not pan seamlessly. You just get a grey cross-hatched area dragged onto the screen instead of the adjacent map display. You have to drag and then wait for it to redraw after you stop. You never know whether you are dragging far enough or not.
Garmin's Mapsource and MS S&T both pan seamlessly on the computer. Garmin's Que software on the handheld also pans fairly seamlessly in most situations. It's not perfect but the iQue 3600 is pretty underpowered by today's standards for Palm devices.
I reinstalled SA 2008+ today. Now I can search for locations (addresses, cities, etc.) in Canada. I think I installed the Phone Book before I installed the SA application the first time. This time I installed the application and maps first and the Phone Book database second. That seems to have done the trick.
I took some time to check my benchmark locations and SA 2008 comes out pretty decently compared to Garmin's City Navigator.
Marvin, you may recall the discussion about Ladysmith, BC, over in the Garmin nroute section as a bad example of Navteq's Canadian data. SA has the full street grid complete with all street names and civic addresses. When you consider that Garmin wants more money just for the City Navigator mapset than you pay for a complete SA Plus package with GPS and phone directory, I would have to say that SA compares mighty favourably.
That said, I also found areas in a couple of larger centres that indicate the data is not as current as it could be for new developments and road changes. It's odd because there are spots where it's behind City Navigator v8, which is roughly a "2007" product, but other areas where it's more complete even than City Navigator 2008 (eg. Ladysmith, BC).
Perhaps I'll take a little drive this afternoon and see what the nav looks like on the handheld.
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First impressions driving with SA 2008+ on the Garmin iQue 3600 handheld...
Pretty awful.
The map is hard to see. Those nice fine high-res details that look so nice when you hold it in your hand indoors just don't get it done when you stick it in the car holder out in the bright sunlight.
There is minimal nav info when you are driving.
If you want to do anything at all you have to poke around through the drop-down menus. You have to pull over and stop to do that.
I guess I'm spoiled by Garmin's Que software on the iQue. It understands the concept of "here" in a number of useful contexts, for instance creating a route. SA doesn't seem to have any idea of "here" when you want to create a quick route on the fly. With the Que software it's dead simple to create a route to anywhere from "here". The first thing that is helpful is it assumes you want to start "here", so you don't have to mess around entering a starting point.
SA kills the GPS, redraws the map to some random place and asks you to tap a starting point on the map. It's all downhill from there.
Doing static route planning on the PC with SA is pretty simple but heaven help you if you want to do any on-the-fly routing on either the laptop or the handheld, which is the kind I mostly do. Eg. I know how to get from here to Calgary or Vancouver without any help from my nav device. But when I need to go somewhere specific while I'm driving around in some strange city I need to be able to pull over, do a simple search for the address, waypoint or point of interest (POI) and be able to punch one button that will calculate and activate the route.
I'm impressed that it works at all on the iQue, and if all you want is to know where you are and create a track log it works fine. But if you want to do anything else it would require programming a bunch of stuff into FastFinger so you don't have to mess around chasing stuff in the dropdown menus.
That's my initial impression.
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Pretty awful.
The map is hard to see. Those nice fine high-res details that look so nice when you hold it in your hand indoors just don't get it done when you stick it in the car holder out in the bright sunlight.
There is minimal nav info when you are driving.
If you want to do anything at all you have to poke around through the drop-down menus. You have to pull over and stop to do that.
I guess I'm spoiled by Garmin's Que software on the iQue. It understands the concept of "here" in a number of useful contexts, for instance creating a route. SA doesn't seem to have any idea of "here" when you want to create a quick route on the fly. With the Que software it's dead simple to create a route to anywhere from "here". The first thing that is helpful is it assumes you want to start "here", so you don't have to mess around entering a starting point.
SA kills the GPS, redraws the map to some random place and asks you to tap a starting point on the map. It's all downhill from there.
Doing static route planning on the PC with SA is pretty simple but heaven help you if you want to do any on-the-fly routing on either the laptop or the handheld, which is the kind I mostly do. Eg. I know how to get from here to Calgary or Vancouver without any help from my nav device. But when I need to go somewhere specific while I'm driving around in some strange city I need to be able to pull over, do a simple search for the address, waypoint or point of interest (POI) and be able to punch one button that will calculate and activate the route.
I'm impressed that it works at all on the iQue, and if all you want is to know where you are and create a track log it works fine. But if you want to do anything else it would require programming a bunch of stuff into FastFinger so you don't have to mess around chasing stuff in the dropdown menus.
That's my initial impression.
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I do have SA2008 on my Toshiba PDA. I wasn't excited about the addresses being by block only. Other than that, I have looked at it but haven't tried to use it. Not easy to use compared to Garmin and iNav products.
Terry
Terry
Ken in Regina and tcassidy, thanks for the feedback on the 2008 version. Let's hope some of the user friendliness and address look up has improved in this new version 2009. Mine just arrived an hour ago. The Plus version comes on 2 DVDs - one contains USA/Canada telephone book data, and the second DVD contains the software program including the map data. I'll install it and play with it as soon as I can .
Hi Marvin,
Be sure and install the SA application and maps first and the phone book database after. I had to reinstall mine because I did it the other way around ... just grabbed one of the DVDs and shoved it in the drive without looking at which one. No hideous problems but minor inconsistencies with location and phone book searches that didn't seem to make sense and cleared up completely when I installed them the other way round.
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Be sure and install the SA application and maps first and the phone book database after. I had to reinstall mine because I did it the other way around ... just grabbed one of the DVDs and shoved it in the drive without looking at which one. No hideous problems but minor inconsistencies with location and phone book searches that didn't seem to make sense and cleared up completely when I installed them the other way round.
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SA 2008 on an ASUS R2h UMPC at 800x600. I'm using the Garmin 10x GPS receiver as the built in one doesn't work inside.
Terry
Terry
You don't have much speed in that rockin' chair, Terry.
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Picked up my 2009 Plus on the 6th, installed in on both my laptops, one running Vista and the other XP pro. Downloaded SP2 today, took a while but they had just released it and their server(s) were a bit tied up! Can't believe how great the LT-40 works, locks on INDOORS with 8-10 birds locked on in way less than 60 seconds, outdoors you can't believe how quick it responds. And yes, they are accurate to within a few feet! Really have not road tested it yet, so can't comment on whether or not the extra 20 bucks for the Plus version is going to be all that important .
Ken, that's a very timely suggestion. Thanks. I'm now installing it in the sequence you've suggested.
Terry, nice photo. I think the new 2009 version would be more suitable for your UMPC, though .
johndeerebilly, that's excellent feedback for the new DeLorme LT-40 GPS receiver!
Only minutes ago I installed DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2009, and I'm now ready to drive. Here are my very first impressions:
The installation process gives the option to specify whether or not you wish to use the new, UMPC optimized, interface. This feature may be turned on/off at a later time, as shown bellow. The following pictures illustrate the difference between the new navigation interface optimized for small screen, and "regular" navigation interface.
Terry, nice photo. I think the new 2009 version would be more suitable for your UMPC, though .
johndeerebilly, that's excellent feedback for the new DeLorme LT-40 GPS receiver!
Only minutes ago I installed DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2009, and I'm now ready to drive. Here are my very first impressions:
The installation process gives the option to specify whether or not you wish to use the new, UMPC optimized, interface. This feature may be turned on/off at a later time, as shown bellow. The following pictures illustrate the difference between the new navigation interface optimized for small screen, and "regular" navigation interface.
Marvin,
Even in the UMPC mode there's still an immense amount of screen space taken up by that clutter around the edges.
Does the routing stuff on the left go away if you don't have a route active?
Can you get rid of the GPS info on the right if you don't care about it?
Can you reduce or remove that huge blue bar that's wasting so much space just to display the street name across the bottom?
That tiny bit of map in the centre almost looks like an afterthought and that's the part I'm normally most interested in.
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Even in the UMPC mode there's still an immense amount of screen space taken up by that clutter around the edges.
Does the routing stuff on the left go away if you don't have a route active?
Can you get rid of the GPS info on the right if you don't care about it?
Can you reduce or remove that huge blue bar that's wasting so much space just to display the street name across the bottom?
That tiny bit of map in the centre almost looks like an afterthought and that's the part I'm normally most interested in.
...ken...
Ken, I agree, huge amount of map space could be recovered if the user interface was designed differently - iNav iGuidance is likely the best example of maximizing map space while retaining all needed info right in front of driver's eyes. But still I think the new "UMPC" navigation mode in DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 is improvement over previous versions.
It's Friday evening, and I will not be on the road again till Monday. I will not be able to do further testing with SA till then.
A few random observations:
* Hwy-401 still looks like it did in previous versions - important "detail" is missing. The highway (in Toronto) consists of express lanes and collector lanes, but Street Atlas 2009 shows the highway as one single line for each direction.
* It is still difficult for me to get relevant results when doing address search. Perhaps I've just never learned how to perform address searches in SA properly. In many cases I cannot easily search for a street name I need, and if I do find the street name, in most cases I don't find the street number, only a street range.
* In the new 3D mode I only get black screen as map. In 2D I see the map fine. This may be related to my old computer (but it still is well within the system requirements). I will call technical support on Monday regarding this. There may be an easy fix.
It's Friday evening, and I will not be on the road again till Monday. I will not be able to do further testing with SA till then.
A few random observations:
* Hwy-401 still looks like it did in previous versions - important "detail" is missing. The highway (in Toronto) consists of express lanes and collector lanes, but Street Atlas 2009 shows the highway as one single line for each direction.
* It is still difficult for me to get relevant results when doing address search. Perhaps I've just never learned how to perform address searches in SA properly. In many cases I cannot easily search for a street name I need, and if I do find the street name, in most cases I don't find the street number, only a street range.
* In the new 3D mode I only get black screen as map. In 2D I see the map fine. This may be related to my old computer (but it still is well within the system requirements). I will call technical support on Monday regarding this. There may be an easy fix.
Here is what a navigation program should look like on a UMPC. When Delorme even comes close, I might again consider their product. I am still interested to see what Garmin does but Delorme is out of the running until they realize what the competition really is.
Yes, their mapping is superior to Navteq in some small communities like mine but...address by the block? That doesn't cut it.
Also, buying their product in Canada is not the easiest. I got the 2008 version as a 2G download offered through PC World Magazine.
Terry
Yes, their mapping is superior to Navteq in some small communities like mine but...address by the block? That doesn't cut it.
Also, buying their product in Canada is not the easiest. I got the 2008 version as a 2G download offered through PC World Magazine.
Terry
Hi Terry,
What products are in the picture ... what nav program and what is the computer (brand, model)? I have not paid any attention to the UMPCs so I'm quite ignorant of what's out there, or even what's in the technology. It's probably time I took a look.
EDIT: I think it may be that block house numbering that is causing some of the difficulties Marvin has observed in the address search. I can't find my own address in SA 2008+.
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What products are in the picture ... what nav program and what is the computer (brand, model)? I have not paid any attention to the UMPCs so I'm quite ignorant of what's out there, or even what's in the technology. It's probably time I took a look.
EDIT: I think it may be that block house numbering that is causing some of the difficulties Marvin has observed in the address search. I can't find my own address in SA 2008+.
...ken...
Ken,
Sorry, I forgot. In full screen mode, the program does not identify itself. It is iNav iGuidance v4 running on an ASUS r2h.
iGuidance comes in 3 flavours - PDA, UMPC and laptop all for the price of one.
This UMPC runs XP Tablet Edition on a Celeron M 900 with up to 1.2 Gig memory and a 60 G hard drive. Built-in Bluetooth (Toshiba stack) and a Sirfstar III GPS (gutless). Native 7" sceen resolution is 800x480 and it can emulate 800x600 (Which Delorme and Garmin need) and 1024x600 fairly well.
It did not sell well due to the price point and no keyboard and ASUS upgraded the processor and possibly the resolution in a later model. ASUS also makes the eee pc with this screen.
I was interested in it as a Truck GPS but have not found a good/ easy mounting spot yet. It is quite bulky and the RAM mount is hard to use.
Terry
Sorry, I forgot. In full screen mode, the program does not identify itself. It is iNav iGuidance v4 running on an ASUS r2h.
iGuidance comes in 3 flavours - PDA, UMPC and laptop all for the price of one.
This UMPC runs XP Tablet Edition on a Celeron M 900 with up to 1.2 Gig memory and a 60 G hard drive. Built-in Bluetooth (Toshiba stack) and a Sirfstar III GPS (gutless). Native 7" sceen resolution is 800x480 and it can emulate 800x600 (Which Delorme and Garmin need) and 1024x600 fairly well.
It did not sell well due to the price point and no keyboard and ASUS upgraded the processor and possibly the resolution in a later model. ASUS also makes the eee pc with this screen.
I was interested in it as a Truck GPS but have not found a good/ easy mounting spot yet. It is quite bulky and the RAM mount is hard to use.
Terry
Hey I am new here. And i live in the Netherlands (europa).My question is delorme 2008 also for europa.Latetrucker
Latetrucker, unfortunately DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 contains only map data for USA, Canada, and Mexico. There are other products you may consider. Perhaps the closest to the functionality of DeLorme Street Atlas would be Microsoft AutoRoute - a trip planning and GPS navigation software program with the map of most of Europe. It's the equivalent of the North American Microsoft Streets & Trips. There are other GPS navigation programs for Europe. Check the following link: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/37-list-laptop-gps-navigation-software-programs-reviews.
thanks Marvin, i looked in the list. greetings latetrucker
The comments about SA 2008 are right on the money..... that version has some problems and annoyances, but I just ordered the 2009+ and LT40 bundle a few minutes ago. As soon as I load it and test it, I will try to get back here and post my opinion and findings. I have used DeLorme Street Atlas for a number of years (like since its beginning), and have generally liked their stuff, but 2008 had a few too many errors and oddities for my liking.
On my October, 2007 trip (to/from Myrtle Beach, SC), I ran the laptop with SA2008+, a Garmin GPS Map 76CSx, and the factory-installed in-dash (Alpine) unit on my Jeep for comparison. The in-dash unit had the least functionality, while the Garmin and the DeLorme each had their annoyances and errors. Maybe this new DeLorme setup will be a real improvement.
On my October, 2007 trip (to/from Myrtle Beach, SC), I ran the laptop with SA2008+, a Garmin GPS Map 76CSx, and the factory-installed in-dash (Alpine) unit on my Jeep for comparison. The in-dash unit had the least functionality, while the Garmin and the DeLorme each had their annoyances and errors. Maybe this new DeLorme setup will be a real improvement.
Hi Overland1,
What "errors and oddities" bugged you the most in DeLorme Street Atlas 2008?
Looking forward to your impressions of DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 when it arrives .
What "errors and oddities" bugged you the most in DeLorme Street Atlas 2008?
Looking forward to your impressions of DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 when it arrives .
A lot of the errors involved missing landmarks that were on the map, but not physically where they were supposed to be. A couple of the listed points of interest were sufficiently inaccurate to make me wonder what happened to DeLorme's legendary accuracy over the years. Maybe I am expecting too much in those areas, but I do realize there will be some errors. Some may be due to system errors beyond DeLorme's control. One I vividly recall was while driving on I-81 northbound near Harrisburg, PA. The icon showed me traveling well off the road, for a few miles, as well as a few thousand feet above the ground . The error cleared after a few miles (near Lebanon).
I am really looking forward to the 2009 version, as I had heard that there were numerous improvements and many new Points of Interest.
I am really looking forward to the 2009 version, as I had heard that there were numerous improvements and many new Points of Interest.
Just when I think that I will never buy another Delorme product, they pop up with something that looks like it might be good. I have several Delorme software packages in my computer desk, some of them were used a couple of years then there is SA2008. Strange interface that doesn't work well on a UMPC. I then bought INAV 4 but the route planning/viewing is terrible. I just have to guess what roads it picked. It also crashes with vista.
I am very interested in comments from you that just bought it. How is the route planning(one of the best features of Delorme)? Is the funky Delorme non standard interface still there? Does the map scroll or does the vehicle icon move by itself on a static map? Does it work well on a UMPC?
Thanks
I am very interested in comments from you that just bought it. How is the route planning(one of the best features of Delorme)? Is the funky Delorme non standard interface still there? Does the map scroll or does the vehicle icon move by itself on a static map? Does it work well on a UMPC?
Thanks
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Does the map scroll or does the vehicle icon move by itself on a static map?
The native Garmin software scrolls the map (with one exception that you are in control of) so the vehicle icon is always in pretty much the same place. I found with SA 2008 sometimes I had to hunt around a bit to find the vehicle icon on the screen. It was never really terrible but it was worse with some (selectable) map orientations than others.
...ken...
I think there is an improvement in this area in the new Street Atlas 2009. But I'm having some technical difficulties related to my PC. I cannot use the 3D perspective view - the new feature of the program. I phoned the technical support this morning, and it turns out that 64 MB of video memory in my Vista PC is not adequate to display 3D. It used to be an XP PC, but several months ago I installed Vista - even though it is an old computer. I'm starting to run into issues like this, so I may be forced to update my old hardware sooner or later .
If I find the time tomorrow, I may try to install DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 on an XP PC, and then I'll try the 3D .
If I find the time tomorrow, I may try to install DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 on an XP PC, and then I'll try the 3D .
For Marvin---I have the new 2009+ SP2 with the LT40 on both an XP Pro and a new Dell. The Dell does NOT have an upgraded video card such as the 128mb Gforce one sold as an upgrade to my Dell 17" Inspiron. I am able to take advantage of the 3d feature. In fact the 3d looks the same on my Dell runing Vista Home Premium and my older laptop using XP pro. hope this helps some.
johndeerebilly, thanks, I'll install it on XP in the morning. How do you like the new 3D? Is the GPS icon pinned to one location on the screen, or does the icon travel?
I really do not recall precisely what the icon does in terms of moving whilst in the 3D mode! I presume the icon does what it has always, moves in the direction you are going, then the map screen adjusts when the icon is about to leave the page. I do not use the feature that allows the map to move in the direction traveling, I prefer the map always to have North at the top. I'll check your question next time I have my laptop in the truck....
Marvin,
Many systems, including laptops, with built-in video on the mainboard have the option in the BIOS setup to increase the default amount of memory assigned to video. It might be worth checking to see if yours will do that.
I don't want to remove your excuse for getting a new toy, but it would be useful for testing while you decide what new toy to get.
...ken...
Many systems, including laptops, with built-in video on the mainboard have the option in the BIOS setup to increase the default amount of memory assigned to video. It might be worth checking to see if yours will do that.
I don't want to remove your excuse for getting a new toy, but it would be useful for testing while you decide what new toy to get.
...ken...
Ken, 64MB is max my BIOS allows. That's what you get when you install a new operating system on an old machine - problems. But that's okay, I was just able to install DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 on a Windows XP computer, and I took it for a brief ride. DeLorme did a better job of the 3D perspective view than Microsoft did in its MS Streets & Trips 2008 - the car icon does not move - it is pinned to one point on the screen (middle of the screen, close to the bottom). In 2D the icon moves, but in 3D it works as it should.
The car icon staying in the middle sounds good. I was hopeing it wasn't like the older palm version where the icon crawls across the screen until it gets to the edge and then the screen is redrawn with the location in the middle.
How is the route planning with the umpc screen? Is it different from version 8? I hope it is a little more. . .intuitive or micro$oft like. Is there a recent destinations selection?
Please pardon all the questions but I am tired of being disappointed with gps routing software. I bought SA 2008 in January and then bought Inav 4 and if they could be combined into one product I would be happy. SA has the route building even if it is cumbersome and Inav has the umpc interface but building a route is difficult and reviewing the route is impossible.
I am looking forware to hearing what you gurus think of SA2009.
Thanks
How is the route planning with the umpc screen? Is it different from version 8? I hope it is a little more. . .intuitive or micro$oft like. Is there a recent destinations selection?
Please pardon all the questions but I am tired of being disappointed with gps routing software. I bought SA 2008 in January and then bought Inav 4 and if they could be combined into one product I would be happy. SA has the route building even if it is cumbersome and Inav has the umpc interface but building a route is difficult and reviewing the route is impossible.
I am looking forware to hearing what you gurus think of SA2009.
Thanks
Yes, in the new 3D perspective mode the car icon does not move - the map moves. That's how it should be. I'm not sure about the recent destinations, though. I think sometimes I see my previous entry (or entries) in the drop down, but I think this information is lost in between sessions. I don't think there is a specific feature for remembering favorite or recently entered destinations, even though I suspect such feature could be easily implemented. Maybe they just need to know there would be demand for such feature.
I'm still having difficult time entering my destinations. This may be a Canadian thing, though. I haven't heard people complaining about this. Only a few of us, and I think all of us are in Canada, who experience this. But I may be doing something wrong. This is what I do: from the first drop-down I select GPS position as my starting point. Into the second drop-down I enter my destination in the following format: 1234 yonge street, toronto, ontario, canada. In most cases it returns a list of irrelevant results. Occasionally it finds what I'm looking for, but that's rare. Sometimes it at least gives me a choice of street segments, but that's not good enough. I personally don't think the address search feature has changed in this version 2009. Can anyone give me tips on the best way to use the address search?
Now with the new 3D and new navigation mode, I quite like Street Atlas, but the inability to successfully use the address search feature (for Canadian addresses) is #1 challenge.
I'm still having difficult time entering my destinations. This may be a Canadian thing, though. I haven't heard people complaining about this. Only a few of us, and I think all of us are in Canada, who experience this. But I may be doing something wrong. This is what I do: from the first drop-down I select GPS position as my starting point. Into the second drop-down I enter my destination in the following format: 1234 yonge street, toronto, ontario, canada. In most cases it returns a list of irrelevant results. Occasionally it finds what I'm looking for, but that's rare. Sometimes it at least gives me a choice of street segments, but that's not good enough. I personally don't think the address search feature has changed in this version 2009. Can anyone give me tips on the best way to use the address search?
Now with the new 3D and new navigation mode, I quite like Street Atlas, but the inability to successfully use the address search feature (for Canadian addresses) is #1 challenge.
well Marvin, for what it is worth, if I enter just the name of a place, Detroit for instance when creating a route, a boat load of different choices are displayed, same thing for Canadian cities. Usually I will find exactly what I am looking for. Also, I took a short trip today and used SA2009+ with the LT-40 and was able to receive 10 WAAS birds (you know, the 3D green circle has the black square in it) The almanac listing when sat info is displayed showed "NETD" how great is that! Also the altitude reading isn't all that bad either. about 5 feet off from an actual "bench mark" placed in concrete on a local bridge.
Please disregard my incorrect info regarding "recent destinations" and "favorite destinations". It all is there, I just haven't looked at many features of the program yet.
The following I just received via e-mail:
Regarding the point #3: the above address I only mentioned as a sample of the format which I used. I didn't actually test the specific address. Tomorrow, while at my mobile PC, I will provide actual addresses with which I have difficulties. I'm hoping I'm just doing something wrong.
The following I just received via e-mail:
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1) In the various search boxes in the program -- FIND, Route -- if you click on the dropdown to the right of the box it remembers your recent searches.
2) There also is an address book into which you can input 250 addresses and then when you use the same tabs above access from there so you don't have to retype. Notice those options in the dropdowns mentioned above
3) I typed: 1234 yonge street, toronto, ontario, canada into the Quicksearch box and it found it and added the address label as shown in the bmp above. No problem at all.
4) Clicking in the center of the compass rose on the right lets you step back through 256 previous map draws -- it's an amazing undo feature
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... Also the altitude reading isn't all that bad either. about 5 feet off from an actual "bench mark" placed in concrete on a local bridge.
...ken...
LOL, Ken, yes, that would explain the 5 foot discrepancy . Seriously, though, this kind of vertical accuracy is not something one would normally expect of a consumer grade GPS receiver. John, my guess is that it was just a lucky coincidence the reading was so accurate.
On the other hand, the sensitivity to weak satellite signals should be noticeably improved in comparison to the older LT-20. If you've ever used an older GPS receiver, you will love the new LT-40. If LT-40 is your first receiver, you will not be able to fully appreciate how much better it is than receivers of few years ago .
I'm now at my PC with DeLorme Streets Atlas 2009. I quickly looked up some problem addresses. I picked a few addresses of either long established businesses or old apartment buildings - to make sure we are dealing with an address that very likely is in the database.
Here are some samples:
3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
On the other hand, the sensitivity to weak satellite signals should be noticeably improved in comparison to the older LT-20. If you've ever used an older GPS receiver, you will love the new LT-40. If LT-40 is your first receiver, you will not be able to fully appreciate how much better it is than receivers of few years ago .
I'm now at my PC with DeLorme Streets Atlas 2009. I quickly looked up some problem addresses. I picked a few addresses of either long established businesses or old apartment buildings - to make sure we are dealing with an address that very likely is in the database.
Here are some samples:
3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
well, while I am not a math or physics guru, it would appear on the face of it, that horizontal accuracy of 3 meters on the LT-40 as an accuracy claim by DeLorme is par, then why would vertical accuracy be any different? It would only be luck if it weren't for the fact that repeated readings at several different long/lat places consistently give me very much the same results and vertical readings are for the most part produce good accuracy. My LT-20 is good but not great like the LT-40. That is my story and I'm sticking to it!
That's excellent! But just in case one day you see a vertical reading not meeting your expectations, read this: GPS Altitude Readout > How Accurate?
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
Here are some samples:
3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
You have actual uncovered an issue in the software. I have notified the developers and we will look into it. If we release a Service Pack in the future, the fix for this issue will be included.
In the mean time, the work around is to use the Postal Code rather than the town name. So for example if you were to type in
165 Cherokee Blvd, Ontario, Canada, M2J
Street Atlas will find the location.
Hi Shannon,
Would it be at all possible to modify the search function so that it is not necessary for users to enter city, but instead just search for example the whole province/state? That would eliminate the issue users face when they have a street address, but they don't know which city name to enter - in large cities you may cross a street and find yourself in a different city. An intersection may be a point where three cities meet.
Streets & Trips, for example allows to just type: 165 cherokee blvd, with no need to enter anything else (as long as "Canada" has been selected earlier), and the search results will very likely be successful. Actually all of the above sample addresses will work well in S&T, I'm quite sure. Of course, S&T doesn't have very many of the features you do have very well implemented in your Street Atlas 2009 .
Would it be at all possible to modify the search function so that it is not necessary for users to enter city, but instead just search for example the whole province/state? That would eliminate the issue users face when they have a street address, but they don't know which city name to enter - in large cities you may cross a street and find yourself in a different city. An intersection may be a point where three cities meet.
Streets & Trips, for example allows to just type: 165 cherokee blvd, with no need to enter anything else (as long as "Canada" has been selected earlier), and the search results will very likely be successful. Actually all of the above sample addresses will work well in S&T, I'm quite sure. Of course, S&T doesn't have very many of the features you do have very well implemented in your Street Atlas 2009 .
I will certainly pass the suggestion on.
I believe, however, that there would be some performance issues, to look through all of the streets in a large state/province like Ontario or California. There may also be an issue with how to deal with commonly used road names, like Main for example.
But, as I said, I will pass the suggestion on.
I believe, however, that there would be some performance issues, to look through all of the streets in a large state/province like Ontario or California. There may also be an issue with how to deal with commonly used road names, like Main for example.
But, as I said, I will pass the suggestion on.
Hi Shannon,
Your customers must not care about finding addresses, or they don't complain. The same problem also exists in SA 2008+ which I just started to play with in the past couple of weeks. I'm surprised you don't already have a basketful of tech support calls/emails about it. From other messages here in just the past few days it appears that it's probably in at least 2007, too.
EDIT: re performance on long searches, doesn't SA already warn about that anyway? (or is that just the phone book?) As a user that's all I need to know, so I don't go into panic mode and think the computer or SA has croaked.
Marvin,
Garmin's Mapsource and nroute on the PC/laptop and their Que software for PDAs all allow that same flexibility.
...ken...
Your customers must not care about finding addresses, or they don't complain. The same problem also exists in SA 2008+ which I just started to play with in the past couple of weeks. I'm surprised you don't already have a basketful of tech support calls/emails about it. From other messages here in just the past few days it appears that it's probably in at least 2007, too.
EDIT: re performance on long searches, doesn't SA already warn about that anyway? (or is that just the phone book?) As a user that's all I need to know, so I don't go into panic mode and think the computer or SA has croaked.
Marvin,
Garmin's Mapsource and nroute on the PC/laptop and their Que software for PDAs all allow that same flexibility.
...ken...
I did a bunch of address searches in Nanaimo using SA 2008 for garage sales for my wife last year. I don't recall that being a problem. Maybe its specific to certain locations.
Terry
Terry
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
I did a bunch of address searches in Nanaimo using SA 2008 for garage sales for my wife last year. I don't recall that being a problem. Maybe its specific to certain locations.
Terry
Terry
Perhaps it is. I haven't done enough checking in other locations to say. I just know that when checking some local addresses here in Regina, including my own, SA couldn't find them. I probably won't test it extensively, either. I normally use my Garmin iQue PDA when navigating around locally.
If I want to find addresses for garage sales, all I need is my wife. She's the garage sale queen and she can be giving me verbal directions to get to an address in any part of the city before I can even get it typed into my GPS! And she just loves telling me where to go....
...ken...
Ken,
I certainly didn't do them in the vehicle. I did them the night before and printed them. My wife and daughter were the garage salers. We are not familiar with the street layout in Nanaimo and it is unusual.
I found in Vancouver, that the Dodge diesel was not a good vehicle for garage sales. I used to sort the newspaper entries in S&T, then do it in Mapsource and transfer the route to the Street Pilot. While it was fun, the truck is a standard and not particularly maneuverable. It or me usually got tired and irritated long before we were through.
Terry
I certainly didn't do them in the vehicle. I did them the night before and printed them. My wife and daughter were the garage salers. We are not familiar with the street layout in Nanaimo and it is unusual.
I found in Vancouver, that the Dodge diesel was not a good vehicle for garage sales. I used to sort the newspaper entries in S&T, then do it in Mapsource and transfer the route to the Street Pilot. While it was fun, the truck is a standard and not particularly maneuverable. It or me usually got tired and irritated long before we were through.
Terry
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
... It or me usually got tired and irritated long before we were through.
...ken...
I have just returned from a >800-mile trip this weekend and used SA2009 all the way, ncluding installing SP2 while at the hotel on Saturday evening. I also ran the Garmin 76CSx and the in-dash GPS system (both of the latter use Navteq data) throughout the trip (can we say "GPS Geek"?), and I will say that SA2009 seems mostly quite stable and accurate. I did notice one thing that happened while stopped for gas near Scranton, PA. While parked beneath an overhead metal roof, the signal was lost. Once I returned to the highway, we noticed the display show a "straight-line" route from our starting point through the "via" and to the finish point, but was not registering any movement of the GPS data (arrow icon not moving). The GPS was 'on', and the only way around it was to shut down the program and restart it. My wife was operating the T61 and LT-40 as I drove, and I asked her to save a screen shot of the display and save a log of that part of the trip.
Right now, I am not sure if this is a bug or something we did wrong.
Aside from the above, the rest of it worked quite well, and the data seemed fairly accurate, although (like any mapping setup) some of the estimated times enroute were a bit long, and some of the routing seemed a bit odd to me, although the suggested routes are probably geared to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about a given area, and prefers the best main roads. This makes sense, although once I learn of a good shortcut, I utilize that rather than the GPS' suggested route.... just me being geeky again.
The 3-D view was a bit strange at first, but is a neat way of viewing navigation when one does not need turn-by-turn directions listed at the bottom. The blue navigation bar is also a handy addition.
We are still very happy with SA2009, and plan to do more "testing" in the near future.
Right now, I am not sure if this is a bug or something we did wrong.
Aside from the above, the rest of it worked quite well, and the data seemed fairly accurate, although (like any mapping setup) some of the estimated times enroute were a bit long, and some of the routing seemed a bit odd to me, although the suggested routes are probably geared to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about a given area, and prefers the best main roads. This makes sense, although once I learn of a good shortcut, I utilize that rather than the GPS' suggested route.... just me being geeky again.
The 3-D view was a bit strange at first, but is a neat way of viewing navigation when one does not need turn-by-turn directions listed at the bottom. The blue navigation bar is also a handy addition.
We are still very happy with SA2009, and plan to do more "testing" in the near future.
Overland1-
Would you be able to send me your screen cap and log file?
Would you be able to send me your screen cap and log file?
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Overland1-
Would you be able to send me your screen cap and log file?
Would you be able to send me your screen cap and log file?
Thanks!
Ok, I bought it (SA2009) and it arrived today. Do I uninstall 2008 or just install 2009 in a different place? I guess I really don't need to keep both. Should I export my address book?
Thanks
Thanks
boalexander-
You can have both Street Atlas USA 2008 and Street Atlas USA 2009 on the same machine if you choose, they can co-exist.
You do not need to export your address book, but you can. When you open up Street Atlas USA 2009, open up the address book dialog choose import and if you have installed to the default location c:\delorme docs\ you will see a folder called address book and in there will be your address book file(s) a .dab file.
You can have both Street Atlas USA 2008 and Street Atlas USA 2009 on the same machine if you choose, they can co-exist.
You do not need to export your address book, but you can. When you open up Street Atlas USA 2009, open up the address book dialog choose import and if you have installed to the default location c:\delorme docs\ you will see a folder called address book and in there will be your address book file(s) a .dab file.
Thank you
Hello, my first post in LGPSW.
I bought SA2009+ with a BT-20 bluetooth GPS receiver. The receiver is quite fast (my very first BT GPS so I can't compare. Warm start takes about 3 seconds. Ongoing refresh was every second I think. It was right-on accurate with SA2009 on my Verizon Touch.
However, the handheld functionality leaves a lot to be desired. Yes it has voice prompts but had me "go straight for a mile" when I was approaching a left turn on the visual. At other turns it failed to give me a warning also. I'm waiting for a trial version of iGuidance and can compare that with SA. I'm expecting that the former will be far superior! I guess I could have tried to return the product but I like the desktop version and the 150 million phone #s and the BT-20, while it looks like a credit card on a super dose of steroids (its a half inch thick, fat by today's standards) it ain't bad so I'm keeping it.
I've read a cross country review by someone earlier in this thread. Ugh, the program made the user look like he was boating along deep in water in an RV....!!
Anyhow, I don't intend using SA2009 on my Verizon Touch again. Its just no fun. Maybe SA2010 will have perfect handheld functionality!! I have a laptop with Bluetooth, but I don't think I'm going to take the time to install the program on it and see how accurate the BT is....I know from the handheld it is quite accurate.
Roger
I bought SA2009+ with a BT-20 bluetooth GPS receiver. The receiver is quite fast (my very first BT GPS so I can't compare. Warm start takes about 3 seconds. Ongoing refresh was every second I think. It was right-on accurate with SA2009 on my Verizon Touch.
However, the handheld functionality leaves a lot to be desired. Yes it has voice prompts but had me "go straight for a mile" when I was approaching a left turn on the visual. At other turns it failed to give me a warning also. I'm waiting for a trial version of iGuidance and can compare that with SA. I'm expecting that the former will be far superior! I guess I could have tried to return the product but I like the desktop version and the 150 million phone #s and the BT-20, while it looks like a credit card on a super dose of steroids (its a half inch thick, fat by today's standards) it ain't bad so I'm keeping it.
I've read a cross country review by someone earlier in this thread. Ugh, the program made the user look like he was boating along deep in water in an RV....!!
Anyhow, I don't intend using SA2009 on my Verizon Touch again. Its just no fun. Maybe SA2010 will have perfect handheld functionality!! I have a laptop with Bluetooth, but I don't think I'm going to take the time to install the program on it and see how accurate the BT is....I know from the handheld it is quite accurate.
Roger
Roger, I moved your posting from SA 2008 Review thread, here to the discussion of SA 2009 .
I think some people may buy SA+ just for the 150 million phone numbers - it may be well worth it if you need the functionality.
I think some people may buy SA+ just for the 150 million phone numbers - it may be well worth it if you need the functionality.
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Marvin-
You have actual uncovered an issue in the software. I have notified the developers and we will look into it. If we release a Service Pack in the future, the fix for this issue will be included.
In the mean time, the work around is to use the Postal Code rather than the town name. So for example if you were to type in
165 Cherokee Blvd, Ontario, Canada, M2J
Street Atlas will find the location.
You have actual uncovered an issue in the software. I have notified the developers and we will look into it. If we release a Service Pack in the future, the fix for this issue will be included.
In the mean time, the work around is to use the Postal Code rather than the town name. So for example if you were to type in
165 Cherokee Blvd, Ontario, Canada, M2J
Street Atlas will find the location.
This will be an issue everywhere. It's also an issue with other products, like Garmin, Microsoft, etc.
The problem is a well-known issue in computer database searching for decades. In this case the problem is being too specific.
As has been mentioned on many occasions in the various forums here, it's often difficult or impossible to know where the boundary for one town, city or municipality ends and the next one begins. So with any of these products you are always better off not using the city/town name if you have that option. As Shannon mentioned, Postal or Zip Codes are a better way to narrow the search so it doesn't take all day but doesn't depend on knowledge of municipal boundaries.
...ken...
The problem is a well-known issue in computer database searching for decades. In this case the problem is being too specific.
As has been mentioned on many occasions in the various forums here, it's often difficult or impossible to know where the boundary for one town, city or municipality ends and the next one begins. So with any of these products you are always better off not using the city/town name if you have that option. As Shannon mentioned, Postal or Zip Codes are a better way to narrow the search so it doesn't take all day but doesn't depend on knowledge of municipal boundaries.
...ken...
Yes, each program has its own address look-up issues. No program is perfect, and each of us just wants a good balance between the features we need and the quality of the map data that comes with it.
I observed that most of the earlier-mentioned addresses that I was unable to find, I can actually find if, instead of entering Toronto, Ontario into DeLorme Street Atlas 2009, I enter what the program thinks the correct name for the city is. To find out what SA 2009 wants me to enter, I first zoom-in on the desired area on the map, and chances are that the town name will be there (at certain zoom level).
So for example, instead of entering the correct address:
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
to look it up successfully, I would have to enter into SA 2009:
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Black Creek Village, Ontario, Canada
I can guarantee that if you go to the above area of Toronto, and ask anyone on the street what city they are in, they will all unanimously say Toronto, Ontario - no one will say they live in Black Creek Village, Ontario .
I observed that most of the earlier-mentioned addresses that I was unable to find, I can actually find if, instead of entering Toronto, Ontario into DeLorme Street Atlas 2009, I enter what the program thinks the correct name for the city is. To find out what SA 2009 wants me to enter, I first zoom-in on the desired area on the map, and chances are that the town name will be there (at certain zoom level).
So for example, instead of entering the correct address:
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
to look it up successfully, I would have to enter into SA 2009:
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Black Creek Village, Ontario, Canada
I can guarantee that if you go to the above area of Toronto, and ask anyone on the street what city they are in, they will all unanimously say Toronto, Ontario - no one will say they live in Black Creek Village, Ontario .
Ken,
Please pardom my ignorance, but I am fairly new to this stuff. I have used S&T 2002 and recently purchased S&T 2008 and have used them to plot vacation routes and not specific addresses. I just haven't had that need in the past, but I am preparing to take a long trip to unfamiliar territory where address lookup might be handy.
I just tried Marvin's addresses and some US addresses in S&T and the same problem was there. I thought the value of a mobile GPS was to be able to get to a specific site in an unknown location without first having to use a map to find it. If I don't know the location, then I probably can't look up the postal code either.
I do plan to buy SA 2009 due to some quirks in S&T that I don't like. At least I am now forewarned about problems before I buy.
Buddy
Please pardom my ignorance, but I am fairly new to this stuff. I have used S&T 2002 and recently purchased S&T 2008 and have used them to plot vacation routes and not specific addresses. I just haven't had that need in the past, but I am preparing to take a long trip to unfamiliar territory where address lookup might be handy.
I just tried Marvin's addresses and some US addresses in S&T and the same problem was there. I thought the value of a mobile GPS was to be able to get to a specific site in an unknown location without first having to use a map to find it. If I don't know the location, then I probably can't look up the postal code either.
I do plan to buy SA 2009 due to some quirks in S&T that I don't like. At least I am now forewarned about problems before I buy.
Buddy
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
This will be an issue everywhere. It's also an issue with other products, like Garmin, Microsoft, etc.
The problem is a well-known issue in computer database searching for decades. In this case the problem is being too specific.
As has been mentioned on many occasions in the various forums here, it's often difficult or impossible to know where the boundary for one town, city or municipality ends and the next one begins. So with any of these products you are always better off not using the city/town name if you have that option. As Shannon mentioned, Postal or Zip Codes are a better way to narrow the search so it doesn't take all day but doesn't depend on knowledge of municipal boundaries.
...ken...
The problem is a well-known issue in computer database searching for decades. In this case the problem is being too specific.
As has been mentioned on many occasions in the various forums here, it's often difficult or impossible to know where the boundary for one town, city or municipality ends and the next one begins. So with any of these products you are always better off not using the city/town name if you have that option. As Shannon mentioned, Postal or Zip Codes are a better way to narrow the search so it doesn't take all day but doesn't depend on knowledge of municipal boundaries.
...ken...
I was just reading on another site about the Plus phone list. It mentioned the 150 million phone numbers, but then said that 1000 can be imported at a time. Does that mean that you only have access to 1000 at a time or is that in addition to the 150 million?
Cougar
Cougar
You only can map or export 1000 phone records at a time. You can search the entire set of listings by state, address, phone number, area code, city or even yellow page heading.
Shannon,
Thanks for the clarification.
Cougar
Thanks for the clarification.
Cougar
A little of my history: I had never actually seen a GPS device in person. Last weekend, I was researching for offline atlas software for a summer RV trip (3/4 Lake Superior trip). I ran across DeLorme and 'Street Atlas'; then ran across the LT-40 bundle on their site. I wasn't looking for a GPS, but I do like new toys and it was not unreasonably priced. In researching the LT-40, I ran across this forum and read the threads (especially this one).
What tipped my hand into buying the bundle instead of just the atlas was seeing Shannon in this thread, plain and simple. I think I'm fairly computer-literate and have patience to deal with idiosyncrasies, so sometimes the 'little things' make the difference for me.
I ordered the bundle Saturday night, it arrived yesterday, and I spent 3 hours last night playing with it and planning the summer trip (adding the four campground stopovers and the destination of the cottage [sounds like it's north of Marvin, how's that for small world]).
This morning, I used the bundle (laptop on the passenger seat) to drive to work (flawless 20 mile trip). 3-D and everything (it was difficult to keep my eyes on the road instead of the laptop screen -- next time my wife will have to drive me around so I can really play with my new toy).
I don't have a big review or anything; I don't have anything to compare the LT-40 to; so far I've just done some basic planning and use, nothing really major yet.....I'm really just posting here to let Shannon know that your posts here snagged my purchase. Sorry I don't have a lot to add.
What tipped my hand into buying the bundle instead of just the atlas was seeing Shannon in this thread, plain and simple. I think I'm fairly computer-literate and have patience to deal with idiosyncrasies, so sometimes the 'little things' make the difference for me.
I ordered the bundle Saturday night, it arrived yesterday, and I spent 3 hours last night playing with it and planning the summer trip (adding the four campground stopovers and the destination of the cottage [sounds like it's north of Marvin, how's that for small world]).
This morning, I used the bundle (laptop on the passenger seat) to drive to work (flawless 20 mile trip). 3-D and everything (it was difficult to keep my eyes on the road instead of the laptop screen -- next time my wife will have to drive me around so I can really play with my new toy).
I don't have a big review or anything; I don't have anything to compare the LT-40 to; so far I've just done some basic planning and use, nothing really major yet.....I'm really just posting here to let Shannon know that your posts here snagged my purchase. Sorry I don't have a lot to add.
congratulations on your purchase of the 2009 edition. this is the first year that the LT-40 has been offered as a GPS receiver, fact is it has been on the market about a month, although similar receivers are on the market. you will find that the acquisition times from a cold start are very fast! I use mine attached to a laptop, the receiver I leave plugged into a USB port, and by the time the computer is booted up, several satellites have been found and locked in. While moving I get at least 8 WAAS enabled birds. you will find the DeLorme quite an accurate system, and be glad that you have 2009, it is very user friendly and has more than enough features and toys..
Leighma, thanks for your feedback, and yes, Shannon's way of communicating here at the forum is a sample of what you can expect from DeLorme. It's refreshing to see a company not afraid of talking with its customers publicly online.
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Originally Posted by Shannon
In the case of Street Atlas USA 2009, the address find problem discussed earlier in this thread only presents itself in Canada, not in the US.
With due respect for your more intimate knowledge of your product, the problem I specifically mentioned (having difficulty searching when you don't know the municipal boundaries) usually applies in any large metropolitan area where you have one contiguously populated geographic area that is really multiple municipal entities (cities/towns) that have physically grown together. I'll bet that even in Street Atlas USA 2009 it's as big a problem in, say, Boston as it is in Toronto.
It's not the fault of any of the data or program providers. It's simply a reality that we all need to find ways to deal with.
If you're having problems getting a hit on an address you know exists, in those products which allow you to omit the city name in address searches, that's the next thing to try. It takes a little longer for the search and you may get multiple hits, but it gives you the best chance of getting a hit.
In those products which insist on a city name for an address search, the best thing we can do is pester the manufacturer mercilessly to correct that particular deficiency.
...ken...
Ken-
Agreed. The issue in Canada not withstanding, the more detailed information you provide Street Atlas in the find tab, the more accurate the results, so providing a zip code/postal code for what you are looking for will most likely provide you with what you are trying to find. If you don't know where in Boston something is, but you know it is on US 1, Find will provide you lots of options of what it thinks you are looking for, but a section of US 1 in Melrose (a suburb of Boston) would not show up in the results.
I hope that helps to clarify.
Agreed. The issue in Canada not withstanding, the more detailed information you provide Street Atlas in the find tab, the more accurate the results, so providing a zip code/postal code for what you are looking for will most likely provide you with what you are trying to find. If you don't know where in Boston something is, but you know it is on US 1, Find will provide you lots of options of what it thinks you are looking for, but a section of US 1 in Melrose (a suburb of Boston) would not show up in the results.
I hope that helps to clarify.
Hello All!
I am a SA 2007 user and have been fairly happy with the program. I usually use my PDA (Windows Mobile 5 on an HP iPaq2750) with SA moblie instead of the laptop option.
I was wondering how close the Windows Mobile interface looks compared to some of the screen shots that Delorme shows for laptops on their web site or even some of the screen shots here for the UMPC's? It would be nice to have an idea if it would be worth my time to upgrade or if the interface looks the same.
I really appreciate everyones candid comments, suggestions and recommendations. It's refreshing to join such a mature group!
Cheers,
-Dean
I am a SA 2007 user and have been fairly happy with the program. I usually use my PDA (Windows Mobile 5 on an HP iPaq2750) with SA moblie instead of the laptop option.
I was wondering how close the Windows Mobile interface looks compared to some of the screen shots that Delorme shows for laptops on their web site or even some of the screen shots here for the UMPC's? It would be nice to have an idea if it would be worth my time to upgrade or if the interface looks the same.
I really appreciate everyones candid comments, suggestions and recommendations. It's refreshing to join such a mature group!
Cheers,
-Dean
Dean-
Not exactly sure what screen shots you have seen, but I'm guessing it is the ones showing the new NavMode, this feature is only a desktop feature and not in Street Atlas USA Handheld 2009.
Shannon
Not exactly sure what screen shots you have seen, but I'm guessing it is the ones showing the new NavMode, this feature is only a desktop feature and not in Street Atlas USA Handheld 2009.
Shannon
Received my 2009 Plus today and got it loaded. It hasn't taken long to get frustrated and disappointed. Hopefully, it is something that can be changed but so far I haven't found a way. I am finding very few gas stations at interstate intersections. Some of them are showing up as food stores. I am more interested in knowing where the gas stations are and the brand of gas.
A good example is at exit 313 on I81 in VA. On Rt 50E there are at least 5 major brand gas stations within 1/4 mile of the Interstate.
I don't want to have to do a "Find". I want a display like S&T so that I can see them at a quick glance.
Please advise if there is something that I have failed to do.
Also when I enter Petit Jean State Park, as a destination, I would expect the program to find something as unique as that name without me having to do an "Advanced, Find".
At this point I am wondering if I should return the product.
A good example is at exit 313 on I81 in VA. On Rt 50E there are at least 5 major brand gas stations within 1/4 mile of the Interstate.
I don't want to have to do a "Find". I want a display like S&T so that I can see them at a quick glance.
Please advise if there is something that I have failed to do.
Also when I enter Petit Jean State Park, as a destination, I would expect the program to find something as unique as that name without me having to do an "Advanced, Find".
At this point I am wondering if I should return the product.
Quote:
Received my 2009 Plus today and got it loaded. It hasn't taken long to get frustrated and disappointed. Hopefully, it is something that can be changed but so far I haven't found a way. I am finding very few gas stations at interstate intersections. Some of them are showing up as food stores. I am more interested in knowing where the gas stations are and the brand of gas.
A good example is at exit 313 on I81 in VA. On Rt 50E there are at least 5 major brand gas stations within 1/4 mile of the Interstate.
I don't want to have to do a "Find". I want a display like S&T so that I can see them at a quick glance.
Please advise if there is something that I have failed to do.
Also when I enter Petit Jean State Park, as a destination, I would expect the program to find something as unique as that name without me having to do an "Advanced, Find".
At this point I am wondering if I should return the product.
A good example is at exit 313 on I81 in VA. On Rt 50E there are at least 5 major brand gas stations within 1/4 mile of the Interstate.
I don't want to have to do a "Find". I want a display like S&T so that I can see them at a quick glance.
Please advise if there is something that I have failed to do.
Also when I enter Petit Jean State Park, as a destination, I would expect the program to find something as unique as that name without me having to do an "Advanced, Find".
At this point I am wondering if I should return the product.
I did a search for Petit Jean State Park (I did not include a state or province) in the Find tab and was directed to Petit Jean State Park in Morrilton, AR, is that the one you were looking for?
Could you explain a bit more what you mean by I want to display the major brand of gas stations? Do you mean rather than searching for an exit service? I'm sorry I am not understanding exactly what you mean.
Thanks,
Shannon
Shannon,
I hope this doesn't show up as a duplicate. I typed up a reply but it failed to post.
Yes you will see Petit Jean State Park if you you search for it. I started a new route and typed it in as a Finish and it gave me the popup telling me to use the Advanced Find. When I typed it in as a Finish, it should have given me a list then without the added step of doing an Advanced find.
As for the gas stations, I want to see gas station icons and the brand of gas being sold at those stations. I don't want to have to search for gas stations, I want to see them automatically when I zoom into an exit. The exit from my previous post has 2 Shell, 1 Exxon, and 1 Amoco stations that are displayed by default in S&T.
I don't care what the name of a local food store is, I just want to know quickly if there are gas stations there and the brand of gas that they sell. I don't want to have to do a search to find what is at the exit.
I hope I have explained it better this time, if not please let me know.
Thanks, Cougar
I hope this doesn't show up as a duplicate. I typed up a reply but it failed to post.
Yes you will see Petit Jean State Park if you you search for it. I started a new route and typed it in as a Finish and it gave me the popup telling me to use the Advanced Find. When I typed it in as a Finish, it should have given me a list then without the added step of doing an Advanced find.
As for the gas stations, I want to see gas station icons and the brand of gas being sold at those stations. I don't want to have to search for gas stations, I want to see them automatically when I zoom into an exit. The exit from my previous post has 2 Shell, 1 Exxon, and 1 Amoco stations that are displayed by default in S&T.
I don't care what the name of a local food store is, I just want to know quickly if there are gas stations there and the brand of gas that they sell. I don't want to have to do a search to find what is at the exit.
I hope I have explained it better this time, if not please let me know.
Thanks, Cougar
Cougar-
Thank you for clarifying, I better understand your questions.
Regarding the gas stations, we will evaluate the idea of showing the brand of gas rather than the name of the gas station in the future and see how and if we can do this.
Regarding Petit Jean State Park, in the case of routing, the application wants to start you from a specific location, so in the case of a park or other larger area, we want you to provide more information, so we start you at the best location. We will evaluate how that is working, as it wasn't clear to you why you were being prompted to go the Advanced Find Tab.
Thank you for clarifying, I better understand your questions.
Regarding the gas stations, we will evaluate the idea of showing the brand of gas rather than the name of the gas station in the future and see how and if we can do this.
Regarding Petit Jean State Park, in the case of routing, the application wants to start you from a specific location, so in the case of a park or other larger area, we want you to provide more information, so we start you at the best location. We will evaluate how that is working, as it wasn't clear to you why you were being prompted to go the Advanced Find Tab.
Shannon,
In regards to the gas stations, you currently display food stores which may also sell gas. I think you should display a gas station icon for any place that sells gas, even if it is also a food or convenience store.
Am I the only one who thinks this way? Anybody else care to comment?
Thanks,
Coiugar
In regards to the gas stations, you currently display food stores which may also sell gas. I think you should display a gas station icon for any place that sells gas, even if it is also a food or convenience store.
Am I the only one who thinks this way? Anybody else care to comment?
Thanks,
Coiugar
Cougar, I do see gas stations in my area. At a certain zoom level, DeLorme Street Atlas actually displays the name of the gas station. In contrast, Microsoft Streets & Trips only shows a generic gas station icon, with no name. To get the gas station name in S&T, one needs to double-click the POI icon.
But I have to admit, I don't much use POIs, and other users may give different feedback from their own experience.
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Ken,
Sorry, I forgot. In full screen mode, the program does not identify itself. It is iNav iGuidance v4 running on an ASUS r2h.
iGuidance comes in 3 flavours - PDA, UMPC and laptop all for the price of one.
This UMPC runs XP Tablet Edition on a Celeron M 900 with up to 1.2 Gig memory and a 60 G hard drive. Built-in Bluetooth (Toshiba stack) and a Sirfstar III GPS (gutless). Native 7" sceen resolution is 800x480 and it can emulate 800x600 (Which Delorme and Garmin need) and 1024x600 fairly well.
It did not sell well due to the price point and no keyboard and ASUS upgraded the processor and possibly the resolution in a later model. ASUS also makes the eee pc with this screen.
I was interested in it as a Truck GPS but have not found a good/ easy mounting spot yet. It is quite bulky and the RAM mount is hard to use.
Terry
Sorry, I forgot. In full screen mode, the program does not identify itself. It is iNav iGuidance v4 running on an ASUS r2h.
iGuidance comes in 3 flavours - PDA, UMPC and laptop all for the price of one.
This UMPC runs XP Tablet Edition on a Celeron M 900 with up to 1.2 Gig memory and a 60 G hard drive. Built-in Bluetooth (Toshiba stack) and a Sirfstar III GPS (gutless). Native 7" sceen resolution is 800x480 and it can emulate 800x600 (Which Delorme and Garmin need) and 1024x600 fairly well.
It did not sell well due to the price point and no keyboard and ASUS upgraded the processor and possibly the resolution in a later model. ASUS also makes the eee pc with this screen.
I was interested in it as a Truck GPS but have not found a good/ easy mounting spot yet. It is quite bulky and the RAM mount is hard to use.
Terry
Basically, I have a 7" touchscreen that I mounted to my sunvisor in my truck. It's in easy view but also keeps the dash clear.
Here's one pic of the mounted screen:
Have they fixed the problem of driving west on the 401 and trying to go south on the 403 in Mississauga? I keep ending up going NORTH to the first exit, looping over the overpass and entering southbound! They missed some of the connections! Have they also fixed the exit from the 401 westbound at Bathurst Street, or the mess from the 401 eastbound to Yonge Street northbound? Their mapping of these connections has been screwed up since they started providing Canada mapping at the street level.
Yes, I saw your visor mount and loved it. A great place to reduce the change of focus from road to GPS. I'm not sure my visor (way smaller than yours) would be suitable but I will look into it.
Thank you
Terry
Thank you
Terry
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Originally Posted by RsH
Have they fixed the problem of driving west on the 401 and trying to go south on the 403 in Mississauga ...
I'm not sure about the Hwy-401 issue, but I will look at it. However, how was your experience with using earlier version(s) of DeLorme Street Atlas on Hwy-401 in Toronto, since the map is not aware that the highway consists of express lanes, collector lanes, transfer lanes, etc?
Marvin, Street Atlas is lovely in lot of ways, but forget it for the 401! I'm planning a trip to Utah again, and this time I am using S&T and Street Atlas to plan, and an ASUS R300 PND [runs IGO] in the car as well. Street Atlas screws up royally at Yonge Street going east from the 401 to north on Yonge, exiting at Bathurst Street from the 401 westbound [that one is a real classic... you'd drop 20 plus feet into the park if you tried to get off the way they show, and for going from the 401 westbound to the 403 to get down to the QEW at the Ford Plant in Oakville. I've complained about all three since they started to cover Canada and they still don't have these exits correct. Since I know the truth about the 401 after all these years, I just don't pay attention to what Street Atlas produces as far as that is convered. I really need it from the duty free at Fort Erie on to Pittsburgh, and then west to Pikes Peak, Moab, Ogden and back until I get to Sarnia. Then I do NOT need any program <grin> since I've driven them a few times already. Basically I only use the lagtop to prepare for the trip, look up addresses, and so on... and then will use the ASUS R300 for the rest. Love that little GPS and it has a replaceable Lithium Ion battery too,. plus an FM transmitter, etc. The larger version is more than I need or my wife would put up with <grin> as she definitely considers it a toy!
But it too has problems. I just decided to plan a trip from Yonge and Elmhurst to the Mandarin at 1027 Finch Avenue West, and the ASUS takes me to the traffic light past the Mandarin to make a U turn to come back to the lot where the Mandarin is located. They seem to think that Finch has a concrete separator there... WRONG...
Oh well... and keep on GPS ing...
But it too has problems. I just decided to plan a trip from Yonge and Elmhurst to the Mandarin at 1027 Finch Avenue West, and the ASUS takes me to the traffic light past the Mandarin to make a U turn to come back to the lot where the Mandarin is located. They seem to think that Finch has a concrete separator there... WRONG...
Oh well... and keep on GPS ing...
RsH, I just looked at the areas you mentioned in your previous post.
Re: W/B Hwy-401 to S/B Hwy-403: Street Atlas 2009 doesn't seem to want me to go that way. It routes me off the Hwy-401 at Dixie, down to Eglinton Ave, and then to Hwy-403.
Re: Hwy-401 exits at Bathurst St: Street Atlas 2009 includes 2 exits which do not exist in the real world, and one exit is placed in wrong location.
Re: W/B Hwy-401 to N/B Yonge St: Street Atlas 2009 seems to route OK
But as you've found out even with iGo (which uses Teleatlas map data), no product is perfect .
Re: W/B Hwy-401 to S/B Hwy-403: Street Atlas 2009 doesn't seem to want me to go that way. It routes me off the Hwy-401 at Dixie, down to Eglinton Ave, and then to Hwy-403.
Re: Hwy-401 exits at Bathurst St: Street Atlas 2009 includes 2 exits which do not exist in the real world, and one exit is placed in wrong location.
Re: W/B Hwy-401 to N/B Yonge St: Street Atlas 2009 seems to route OK
But as you've found out even with iGo (which uses Teleatlas map data), no product is perfect .
Try the exit from the 401 EASTbound to Yonge Street Northbound - that is the screwed up one, and the one I often use. In real life we go over Yonge and under all of the 401 to merge into Yonge northbound. If THAT exit is right I'll eat the DVD!
As for the 401 west to 403 south, put a via on the 403 south of the ramp from the 401 and north of the first entrance to the 403 south of the ramp and see what happens. I get it going NORTH to the first exit, taking the exit, crossing over the highway and entering to go south from there to the via and beyond <grin>
As for the 401 west to 403 south, put a via on the 403 south of the ramp from the 401 and north of the first entrance to the 403 south of the ramp and see what happens. I get it going NORTH to the first exit, taking the exit, crossing over the highway and entering to go south from there to the via and beyond <grin>