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johndeerebilly
I really do not recall precisely what the icon does in terms of moving whilst in the 3D mode! I presume the icon does what it has always, moves in the direction you are going, then the map screen adjusts when the icon is about to leave the page. I do not use the feature that allows the map to move in the direction traveling, I prefer the map always to have North at the top. I'll check your question next time I have my laptop in the truck....
Ken in Regina
Marvin,

Many systems, including laptops, with built-in video on the mainboard have the option in the BIOS setup to increase the default amount of memory assigned to video. It might be worth checking to see if yours will do that.

I don't want to remove your excuse for getting a new toy, but it would be useful for testing while you decide what new toy to get.

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
Ken, 64MB is max my BIOS allows. That's what you get when you install a new operating system on an old machine - problems. But that's okay, I was just able to install DeLorme Street Atlas 2009 on a Windows XP computer, and I took it for a brief ride. DeLorme did a better job of the 3D perspective view than Microsoft did in its MS Streets & Trips 2008 - the car icon does not move - it is pinned to one point on the screen (middle of the screen, close to the bottom). In 2D the icon moves, but in 3D it works as it should.
boalexander
The car icon staying in the middle sounds good. I was hopeing it wasn't like the older palm version where the icon crawls across the screen until it gets to the edge and then the screen is redrawn with the location in the middle.

How is the route planning with the umpc screen? Is it different from version 8? I hope it is a little more. . .intuitive or micro$oft like. Is there a recent destinations selection?

Please pardon all the questions but I am tired of being disappointed with gps routing software. I bought SA 2008 in January and then bought Inav 4 and if they could be combined into one product I would be happy. SA has the route building even if it is cumbersome and Inav has the umpc interface but building a route is difficult and reviewing the route is impossible.

I am looking forware to hearing what you gurus think of SA2009.

Thanks
Marvin Hlavac
Yes, in the new 3D perspective mode the car icon does not move - the map moves. That's how it should be. I'm not sure about the recent destinations, though. I think sometimes I see my previous entry (or entries) in the drop down, but I think this information is lost in between sessions. I don't think there is a specific feature for remembering favorite or recently entered destinations, even though I suspect such feature could be easily implemented. Maybe they just need to know there would be demand for such feature.

I'm still having difficult time entering my destinations. This may be a Canadian thing, though. I haven't heard people complaining about this. Only a few of us, and I think all of us are in Canada, who experience this. But I may be doing something wrong. This is what I do: from the first drop-down I select GPS position as my starting point. Into the second drop-down I enter my destination in the following format: 1234 yonge street, toronto, ontario, canada. In most cases it returns a list of irrelevant results. Occasionally it finds what I'm looking for, but that's rare. Sometimes it at least gives me a choice of street segments, but that's not good enough. I personally don't think the address search feature has changed in this version 2009. Can anyone give me tips on the best way to use the address search?

Now with the new 3D and new navigation mode, I quite like Street Atlas, but the inability to successfully use the address search feature (for Canadian addresses) is #1 challenge.
johndeerebilly
well Marvin, for what it is worth, if I enter just the name of a place, Detroit for instance when creating a route, a boat load of different choices are displayed, same thing for Canadian cities. Usually I will find exactly what I am looking for. Also, I took a short trip today and used SA2009+ with the LT-40 and was able to receive 10 WAAS birds (you know, the 3D green circle has the black square in it) The almanac listing when sat info is displayed showed "NETD" how great is that! Also the altitude reading isn't all that bad either. about 5 feet off from an actual "bench mark" placed in concrete on a local bridge.
Marvin Hlavac
Please disregard my incorrect info regarding "recent destinations" and "favorite destinations". It all is there, I just haven't looked at many features of the program yet.

The following I just received via e-mail:

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1) In the various search boxes in the program -- FIND, Route -- if you click on the dropdown to the right of the box it remembers your recent searches.

2) There also is an address book into which you can input 250 addresses and then when you use the same tabs above access from there so you don't have to retype. Notice those options in the dropdowns mentioned above

3) I typed: 1234 yonge street, toronto, ontario, canada into the Quicksearch box and it found it and added the address label as shown in the bmp above. No problem at all.

4) Clicking in the center of the compass rose on the right lets you step back through 256 previous map draws -- it's an amazing undo feature
Regarding the point #3: the above address I only mentioned as a sample of the format which I used. I didn't actually test the specific address. Tomorrow, while at my mobile PC, I will provide actual addresses with which I have difficulties. I'm hoping I'm just doing something wrong.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by johndeerebilly
... Also the altitude reading isn't all that bad either. about 5 feet off from an actual "bench mark" placed in concrete on a local bridge.
Yo Billy, ya gotsta set yer GPS down on the benchmark plate insteda holding it up to yer nose so you can see it. That'll fix that 5 ft error right quick!

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
LOL, Ken, yes, that would explain the 5 foot discrepancy . Seriously, though, this kind of vertical accuracy is not something one would normally expect of a consumer grade GPS receiver. John, my guess is that it was just a lucky coincidence the reading was so accurate.

On the other hand, the sensitivity to weak satellite signals should be noticeably improved in comparison to the older LT-20. If you've ever used an older GPS receiver, you will love the new LT-40. If LT-40 is your first receiver, you will not be able to fully appreciate how much better it is than receivers of few years ago .

I'm now at my PC with DeLorme Streets Atlas 2009. I quickly looked up some problem addresses. I picked a few addresses of either long established businesses or old apartment buildings - to make sure we are dealing with an address that very likely is in the database.

Here are some samples:

3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
johndeerebilly
well, while I am not a math or physics guru, it would appear on the face of it, that horizontal accuracy of 3 meters on the LT-40 as an accuracy claim by DeLorme is par, then why would vertical accuracy be any different? It would only be luck if it weren't for the fact that repeated readings at several different long/lat places consistently give me very much the same results and vertical readings are for the most part produce good accuracy. My LT-20 is good but not great like the LT-40. That is my story and I'm sticking to it!
Marvin Hlavac
That's excellent! But just in case one day you see a vertical reading not meeting your expectations, read this: GPS Altitude Readout > How Accurate?
Shannon
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
Here are some samples:

3300 Victoria Park Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
165 Cherokee Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
175 Hilda Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
4400 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
500 Murray Ross Parkway, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I see the streets on the map, I'm just not sure how to go about successfully searching for the addresses In Street Atlas.
Marvin-

You have actual uncovered an issue in the software. I have notified the developers and we will look into it. If we release a Service Pack in the future, the fix for this issue will be included.

In the mean time, the work around is to use the Postal Code rather than the town name. So for example if you were to type in

165 Cherokee Blvd, Ontario, Canada, M2J

Street Atlas will find the location.
Marvin Hlavac
Hi Shannon,

Would it be at all possible to modify the search function so that it is not necessary for users to enter city, but instead just search for example the whole province/state? That would eliminate the issue users face when they have a street address, but they don't know which city name to enter - in large cities you may cross a street and find yourself in a different city. An intersection may be a point where three cities meet.

Streets & Trips, for example allows to just type: 165 cherokee blvd, with no need to enter anything else (as long as "Canada" has been selected earlier), and the search results will very likely be successful. Actually all of the above sample addresses will work well in S&T, I'm quite sure. Of course, S&T doesn't have very many of the features you do have very well implemented in your Street Atlas 2009 .
Shannon
I will certainly pass the suggestion on.

I believe, however, that there would be some performance issues, to look through all of the streets in a large state/province like Ontario or California. There may also be an issue with how to deal with commonly used road names, like Main for example.

But, as I said, I will pass the suggestion on.
Ken in Regina
Hi Shannon,

Your customers must not care about finding addresses, or they don't complain. The same problem also exists in SA 2008+ which I just started to play with in the past couple of weeks. I'm surprised you don't already have a basketful of tech support calls/emails about it. From other messages here in just the past few days it appears that it's probably in at least 2007, too.

EDIT: re performance on long searches, doesn't SA already warn about that anyway? (or is that just the phone book?) As a user that's all I need to know, so I don't go into panic mode and think the computer or SA has croaked.

Marvin,

Garmin's Mapsource and nroute on the PC/laptop and their Que software for PDAs all allow that same flexibility.

...ken...
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