Any idea when version 2011 will be available?
Microsoft in past years launched new versions of Streets & Trips in the U.S. in August, September, or October. Microsoft Canada launches MS Streets and Trips usually a month or two later.
The European version of the product, AutoRoute, is usually expected approximately a couple of months after the U.S. launch.
As soon as the 2011 versions become available, reviews will be posted at the following links:
The European version of the product, AutoRoute, is usually expected approximately a couple of months after the U.S. launch.
As soon as the 2011 versions become available, reviews will be posted at the following links:
Any update on the release date of Streets & Trips 2011?
The reason I ask is:
When we arrived home this morning at 0500 we had no firm future travel plans.
We had a sleep until 1500. When we got up there was an email from Qantas offering fares from Perth to Los Angeles for AUD1480 (USD1290). We went up to Flight Centre and booked.
That means we’re only at home until 18 August when we fly to Los Angeles for 90 days (the maximum visa free period for Australians).
We're going to head for Glacier NP. I've been to the USA and Canada 6 times before but it's always been snowed in.
We'll keep going up to Edmondton, across to Vancouver and then down the west coast.
Chris REALLY wants to see Crater Lake NP. She's been there twice before and each time it's been too cloudy to see anything.
We'll be camping most of the way.
Are there any Laptop GPS World readers along the way who'd like to meet up? We're not looking for free accommodation. We'd just like to say Hi to some Americans and Canadians.
The reason I ask is:
When we arrived home this morning at 0500 we had no firm future travel plans.
We had a sleep until 1500. When we got up there was an email from Qantas offering fares from Perth to Los Angeles for AUD1480 (USD1290). We went up to Flight Centre and booked.
That means we’re only at home until 18 August when we fly to Los Angeles for 90 days (the maximum visa free period for Australians).
We're going to head for Glacier NP. I've been to the USA and Canada 6 times before but it's always been snowed in.
We'll keep going up to Edmondton, across to Vancouver and then down the west coast.
Chris REALLY wants to see Crater Lake NP. She's been there twice before and each time it's been too cloudy to see anything.
We'll be camping most of the way.
Are there any Laptop GPS World readers along the way who'd like to meet up? We're not looking for free accommodation. We'd just like to say Hi to some Americans and Canadians.
Sounds like a great adventure! Go with S&T 2010.
Andrew, we will be separated by one or two time-zones :-). You will like your visit here. It's going to be more fun w/out all the snow!!!
As Larry says, don't leave home w/out S&T 2010. If Streets and Trips 2011 becomes available during your trip, you will most likely be able to buy it where ever you happen to be at that time (U.S. usually gets it a few weeks before Canada does, though).
As Larry says, don't leave home w/out S&T 2010. If Streets and Trips 2011 becomes available during your trip, you will most likely be able to buy it where ever you happen to be at that time (U.S. usually gets it a few weeks before Canada does, though).
Hi Andrew,
Keep us, or at least me, posted as your travel plans firm up. I'm about a day east of your likely most eastern points in Canada (e.g. Cardston to Calgary to Edmonton) but it rarely takes much to convince me to head west.
By the way, Waterton Lakes National Park is the Canadian extension of Glacier NP. Depending on what you are interested in looking at and what sorts of roads you like to travel, I can make some routing suggestions to get from Glacier (east side or west side, let me know) up to Edmonton by something other than divided freeways.
Do you have Garmin maps and a viewer/planner like Mapsource or Basecamp?
If not, I can do suggested routes, transfer to Google Earth and save them as KML/KMZ files for you to look at in Google Earth.
It would probably be easier for me to meet you for coffee somewhere east of Vancouver (two fairly long driving days from here). But I've gone to the west coast for flimsier reasons.
...ken...
Keep us, or at least me, posted as your travel plans firm up. I'm about a day east of your likely most eastern points in Canada (e.g. Cardston to Calgary to Edmonton) but it rarely takes much to convince me to head west.
By the way, Waterton Lakes National Park is the Canadian extension of Glacier NP. Depending on what you are interested in looking at and what sorts of roads you like to travel, I can make some routing suggestions to get from Glacier (east side or west side, let me know) up to Edmonton by something other than divided freeways.
Do you have Garmin maps and a viewer/planner like Mapsource or Basecamp?
If not, I can do suggested routes, transfer to Google Earth and save them as KML/KMZ files for you to look at in Google Earth.
It would probably be easier for me to meet you for coffee somewhere east of Vancouver (two fairly long driving days from here). But I've gone to the west coast for flimsier reasons.
...ken...
Andrew, without taking anything away from your US destinations, I would advise more time north of the border simply because it is spectacular there that time of year. Great people, too.
Hi Andrew,
I drive tour bus all over Alberta, BC, and Washington state. Mostly BC though. There is some incredible things to see and do. Send me a note if you would like any help or ideas at all (DanTheDriver@telus.blackberry.net). Also if you are around the Kamloops BC area, call me, and a free bed is surly a very open invitation if needed. You must do the "Icefields Parkway" in Alberta. It's the most awsome scenery ever. Check out this link: www.icefieldsparkway.ca
I drive tour bus all over Alberta, BC, and Washington state. Mostly BC though. There is some incredible things to see and do. Send me a note if you would like any help or ideas at all (DanTheDriver@telus.blackberry.net). Also if you are around the Kamloops BC area, call me, and a free bed is surly a very open invitation if needed. You must do the "Icefields Parkway" in Alberta. It's the most awsome scenery ever. Check out this link: www.icefieldsparkway.ca
Thank you all for your replies.
We leave for Los Angeles next Tuesday (we changed the date from 18 to 24 Aug).
We pick up the car (AUD40/day ~ USD36 ~ CAD37 - Boy that is so close to parity. I hadn't realised. I've been tracking the AUD/USD rate but I never looked at AUD/CAD.) on Friday and start our trip north.
We don't have an ETA for our arrival in Canada. I have a broad outline of the route taking in lots of Scenic Byways and National Parks but I have no idea how long it will take. We have 3 months so we will take things slowly.
I will contact you when we are closer to the 49th.
We leave for Los Angeles next Tuesday (we changed the date from 18 to 24 Aug).
We pick up the car (AUD40/day ~ USD36 ~ CAD37 - Boy that is so close to parity. I hadn't realised. I've been tracking the AUD/USD rate but I never looked at AUD/CAD.) on Friday and start our trip north.
We don't have an ETA for our arrival in Canada. I have a broad outline of the route taking in lots of Scenic Byways and National Parks but I have no idea how long it will take. We have 3 months so we will take things slowly.
I will contact you when we are closer to the 49th.
I stopped by Best Buy in Buffalo, NY today... nothing yet...
Hey, Wayne is here!!! It may only mean a new version of Streets & Trips is just around the corner!!! :-)
I hope they decide to finally put a TRUE driving mode in it, along with a nice touchscreen interface. Not holding my breath, though.
In the meantime (if you don't know it), you may freely try S&T Keys 2010 (see my signature for links) with the 2010 versions to get a better than nothing touch screen interface. :-)
I tried it, but it really didn't work out for me. It's not your program, but Streets itself. When trying to add something quickly and on-the-fly while driving, it's impossible to read the text from a search on a 7" screen. Streets needs a large-font interface such as on iGuidance to make it work correctly.
I absolutely LOVE the planning features of Streets. When planning a cross-country trip (which I do non-stop), I can punch in exactly where I need to stop for fuel, where I need to stop for my required breaks, etc. When I put in the "Stop for" and "Depart At" times, I can be within 1hr of the projected time, even on a 2,500 mile trip. But, for the driving part (other than looking at the map), it just doesn't work out. So, for now, I use Streets to plan the entire trip, then use Garmin Mobile PC for each day's driving. At least with Mobile PC I can find and add a truckstop, rest area, etc as I need throughout the day.
I absolutely LOVE the planning features of Streets. When planning a cross-country trip (which I do non-stop), I can punch in exactly where I need to stop for fuel, where I need to stop for my required breaks, etc. When I put in the "Stop for" and "Depart At" times, I can be within 1hr of the projected time, even on a 2,500 mile trip. But, for the driving part (other than looking at the map), it just doesn't work out. So, for now, I use Streets to plan the entire trip, then use Garmin Mobile PC for each day's driving. At least with Mobile PC I can find and add a truckstop, rest area, etc as I need throughout the day.
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When trying to add something quickly and on-the-fly while driving, it's impossible to read the text from a search on a 7" screen. Streets needs a large-font interface such as on iGuidance to make it work correctly.
I absolutely LOVE the planning features of Streets. When planning a cross-country trip (which I do non-stop), I can punch in exactly where I need to stop for fuel, where I need to stop for my required breaks, etc. When I put in the "Stop for" and "Depart At" times, I can be within 1hr of the projected time, even on a 2,500 mile trip. But, for the driving part (other than looking at the map), it just doesn't work out. So, for now, I use Streets to plan the entire trip, then use Garmin Mobile PC for each day's driving. At least with Mobile PC I can find and add a truckstop, rest area, etc as I need throughout the day.
I absolutely LOVE the planning features of Streets. When planning a cross-country trip (which I do non-stop), I can punch in exactly where I need to stop for fuel, where I need to stop for my required breaks, etc. When I put in the "Stop for" and "Depart At" times, I can be within 1hr of the projected time, even on a 2,500 mile trip. But, for the driving part (other than looking at the map), it just doesn't work out. So, for now, I use Streets to plan the entire trip, then use Garmin Mobile PC for each day's driving. At least with Mobile PC I can find and add a truckstop, rest area, etc as I need throughout the day.
Microsoft has the difficult part right, Streets & Trips is an excellent trip planner. Now if they just could re-do the navigation part to resemble Garmin Mobile PC interface, or the interface of the many inexpensive PNDs on the market.
We love to plan our trips with the easy-to-use interface of the current Streets & Trips, but after we've planned our trip, we would love to switch to a completely different GUI designed for drivers.
You nailed it exactly Marvin.
This is exactly the reason I scrapped MS S&T. I went to the trouble of ordering the 60 day trial on CD. Couldn't wait to get it installed for one of my weekly trips to the lake.
One trip was all it took trying to see the navigation window and option menus, etc. on my 9" tablet mode T91. I uninstalled it on my return to the home 20.
With my history of being wrong so often, I might reconsider at some point if MS were to improve this side of the program, or if the planning portion were to become more important to me.
Ted
One trip was all it took trying to see the navigation window and option menus, etc. on my 9" tablet mode T91. I uninstalled it on my return to the home 20.
With my history of being wrong so often, I might reconsider at some point if MS were to improve this side of the program, or if the planning portion were to become more important to me.
Ted
I pretty much did the same. Even though I already own S & T 2009, I didn't see any reason to upgrade to 2010 since it still wouldn't do what I need it to do. Maybe this year, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
xPo$Tech,
You need to turn it 90 degrees thereby shrinking the bar at the bottom. Then it becomes a little more usable.
Terry
You need to turn it 90 degrees thereby shrinking the bar at the bottom. Then it becomes a little more usable.
Terry
... , and talking about $, this product is rather ridiculously inexpensive. As of today, I see Streets & Trips priced at only $25 (+ free shipping), and chances are, if you shop around, you may get it even for less. How can Microsoft ever make any profit on this is beyond me.
what are ya new ?
its not about making a profit...its about killing the competition...once thats
done, theyll jack the price and modularize the hell outta the product(s).
its not about making a profit...its about killing the competition...once thats
done, theyll jack the price and modularize the hell outta the product(s).
No, they do this every year and the price stays about the same. Probably getting close to end of version cycle.
Terry
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One trip was all it took trying to see the navigation window and option menus, etc. on my 9" tablet mode T91...
One trip was all it took trying to see the navigation window and option menus, etc. on my 9" tablet mode T91...
I run S&T on a 4.8" UMPC, but rotated to 270º, and I find that I can live with it.
You all have good points. I think MS's history of buying up the competition and then giving it away goes back to the browser war of the last century between IE and Netscape Navigator. I say giving it away because mostly they just incorporated it into Windows.
Sometimes they let it stand on it's own, like MS S&T, Flight Sim, Money, etc. Historically, where are most of the products MS bought and didn't incorporate into Windows?
Ted
Sometimes they let it stand on it's own, like MS S&T, Flight Sim, Money, etc. Historically, where are most of the products MS bought and didn't incorporate into Windows?
Ted
I've found MS S&T easier to use for nav off road as where Garmin topo may have the ground info nothing else. Main roads to county trail roads in S&T not in Garmin topo where every thing must be added.
All I'd like to see improved in Streets and Trips 2011 is exporting to KML format.
KML format is far more universal than the many versions of GPX.
All I'd like to see improved in Streets and Trips 2011 is exporting to KML format.
KML format is far more universal than the many versions of GPX.
KML and GPX are intended for different jobs.
GPX is for things like GPS waypoints. KML is map annotation - with many features only have any meaning in a 3d environment and/or with an Internet connection.
Unfortunately both formats are often used for things that they weren't designed for.
Richard
GPX is for things like GPS waypoints. KML is map annotation - with many features only have any meaning in a 3d environment and/or with an Internet connection.
Unfortunately both formats are often used for things that they weren't designed for.
Richard
I bet we're close to hearing something about S&T 2011- look what I found today:
Microsoft Streets and Trips 2011 and MapPoint 2011 Construction Data Update:
microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f11a90bb-8a25-4c23-9def-4530ef6bfc6a&displayLang=en
Microsoft Streets and Trips 2011 and MapPoint 2011 Construction Data Update:
microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f11a90bb-8a25-4c23-9def-4530ef6bfc6a&displayLang=en
That's really interesting! Let's hope it means something soon.
Construction data is posted almost automatically. In the past, we've seen some bugs that would've easily been caught with manual intervention.
October/November is more likely for S&T 2011, according to the "rumors" (wink, nod).
October/November is more likely for S&T 2011, according to the "rumors" (wink, nod).
I never did understand why Microsoft provides new versions in the fall when it really would make sense, to me anyways to offer it in the spring in preparation of summer travel.
It gives you all winter to do your travel planning with the new tool.
...ken...
...ken...
Consumer software (Encarta, Quicken, etc.) has traditionally been targeted for the (Christmas) holiday season. Usually S&T is a couple months early for the holidays, but not this year.
It's also difficult to move off a schedule once you're already on it. A new release provides a boost to software sales. Moving to spring release would require the S&T team either to rush out a new release in 6 months, or wait 18 months and skip a fiscal year.
It's also difficult to move off a schedule once you're already on it. A new release provides a boost to software sales. Moving to spring release would require the S&T team either to rush out a new release in 6 months, or wait 18 months and skip a fiscal year.
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It gives you all winter to do your travel planning with the new tool.
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Consumer software (Encarta, Quicken, etc.) has traditionally been targeted for the (Christmas) holiday season. Usually S&T is a couple months early for the holidays, but not this year.
It's also difficult to move off a schedule once you're already on it. A new release provides a boost to software sales. Moving to spring release would require the S&T team either to rush out a new release in 6 months, or wait 18 months and skip a fiscal year.
It's also difficult to move off a schedule once you're already on it. A new release provides a boost to software sales. Moving to spring release would require the S&T team either to rush out a new release in 6 months, or wait 18 months and skip a fiscal year.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with S&T in the future since Smartphones are becoming very prevalent in terms of navigation and almost everyone has a GPS.
I have GPS on my not-so-smart phone (IQ about 75) but I cannot use it unless I sign up for some dumb nav program provided by some unknown company for 10 bucks a month. That'll be the day.
I don't know about the iPhone, but the built-in iPad software is virtually useless for navigation. Yes it has a very slick interface when connected by Wifi, but the actual navigation is very limited. It doesn't give spoken directions. You have to manually tell it to move from the current direction to the next one, etc. Luckily I wasn't driving when I tried it and my driver (MrsWinwaed) knew where she was going. We also had a Tom-Tom with us which we used later for city navigation.
The iPad might be better for pedestrian navigation (which is supports), although perhaps a bit big for that to be a regular proposition.
Richard
The iPad might be better for pedestrian navigation (which is supports), although perhaps a bit big for that to be a regular proposition.
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The iPad might be better for pedestrian navigation (which is supports), although perhaps a bit big for that to be a regular proposition.
The GPS software that came with my Sprint / Nextel phone is a PITA is use, and it's slooooow. I'll just keep S&T and use my laptop that I take with me anyways.
I just received an email from Microsoft with details on a sale on S&T 2010 that expires on October 23.
It looks like MS is trying to dump the old stock before the release of the new version. Too bad for the poor schumks that jump on it thinking they are getting a good deal.
Anyone want to bet that Streets and Trips 2011 will be released by November 1st?
It looks like MS is trying to dump the old stock before the release of the new version. Too bad for the poor schumks that jump on it thinking they are getting a good deal.
Anyone want to bet that Streets and Trips 2011 will be released by November 1st?
Nav programs that come with bundled maps are kind of like hunting for a good deal on a car. Getting a year-old version for a big discount off new retail is usually a really good deal. With a few exceptions, the maps don't change hugely from one year to the next and there normally aren't any really earth-shattering improvements in the program between single years. They are usually tweaking and evolutionary improvements.
There are still people out there who are cheerfully using versions of Streets&Trips from 2005/6/7 and don't feel the least bit deprived for not having the latest version.
...ken...
There are still people out there who are cheerfully using versions of Streets&Trips from 2005/6/7 and don't feel the least bit deprived for not having the latest version.
...ken...
At Streets & Trips Facebook page, a fellow by the name of Albert Clawson asked:
Larry responded:
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I've been hearing rumors that MS has either decided to skip S&T 2011 or discontinue the entire product [...]
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Ignore the rumors...there is definitely a S&T 2011 in the works.
Well my trial version of S and T 2010 is done today. I'll leave 2005 in my laptop and go without in this netbook. Looks like we'll be buying a Tom Tom and maybe look again for a new version later.
In a pinch you could always download the Microsoft MapPoint 2010 trial. It will give you another 60 days and contains all the S&T functionality plus several other bonus features such as the ability to visualize demographic data, use Territories, Export to Excel, Map Settings, etc.
A note on file compatibility: In MapPoint the saved map files are in a *.ptm format. They cannot be saved as *.est files (which S&T requires). However, MP 2010 can view the S&T 2010 map files. Hope that makes sense.
A note on file compatibility: In MapPoint the saved map files are in a *.ptm format. They cannot be saved as *.est files (which S&T requires). However, MP 2010 can view the S&T 2010 map files. Hope that makes sense.
MapPoint might be more than I need for my netbook but I'll consider trying it out in my home system. Thanks for the advice. I hope MS keeps up with Streets and Trips though I'd hate to see them discontinue it.
Will MapPoint work on my netbook with the old GPS from my S & T 2005 until Streets & Trips 2011 is available?
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Will MapPoint work on my netbook with the old GPS from my S & T 2005 until Streets & Trips 2011 is available?
...ken...
I spoke with an MS representative recently at an Office Depot and asked him about Streets and Trips. He told me that the sales department was more interested (at this time) in getting ready for the Windows 7 "Three Licenses for One Price" sale that they will be putting on soon and that Streets and Trips would come later, probably after the New Year.
Of course, perhaps he really didn't know what was happening? Or maybe he decided not to tell me the truth for some reason? But that is what he said.
MS Streets and Trips 2011 sometime after January 1 ...
Of course, perhaps he really didn't know what was happening? Or maybe he decided not to tell me the truth for some reason? But that is what he said.
MS Streets and Trips 2011 sometime after January 1 ...
Thanks Ken. I'll give it a go then. Cheers, Bit
Sorry to pop the bubble, but I found a S&T 2011 Construction Update on September 7, 2010.
The construction is available each year well before the release date of the product. The product group very likely makes the construction update available so early not for the public, but rather for their own testing of the new version.
I wouldn't try to predict the ETA of a new version based on the availability of the construction data. But the construction data at least tells us the MSFT guys are likely working on the new version.
But it's been a while, so lets see if any update appears on S&T Facebook page one of these days.
I wouldn't try to predict the ETA of a new version based on the availability of the construction data. But the construction data at least tells us the MSFT guys are likely working on the new version.
But it's been a while, so lets see if any update appears on S&T Facebook page one of these days.
We should start a pool to guess when it will be released. A dime a date, closest pick wins the pot. I'll take the March 15th.
And I'll bet the delay is due to contractual/financial issues with NavTeq, nothing to do with marketing or development.
And I'll bet the delay is due to contractual/financial issues with NavTeq, nothing to do with marketing or development.
Larry, congrats! And thanks for breaking the tradition of silence, and letting the world know the ETA in advance. The following is from the S&T Facebook page, a post by Anne Quaranta:
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Hello Streets & Trips fans. I am excited to announce that the 2011 version of Streets & Trips will soon be available! The product has been sent to manufacturing and you can expect to see it in stores mid-February. We will post information here and on our website when the new product is available so you can be some of the first to take the new product for a ride. Thanks again for your support! The Streets & Trips Team
Woo hoo! I was only off by a month...
Great news Larry.
Now, if you need any pre-release field testers...
Great news Larry.
Now, if you need any pre-release field testers...
Streets and Trips 2011 will soon be available!
Posted on January 13, 2011 by Streets and Trips Team
Posted on January 13, 2011 by Streets and Trips Team
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We are very excited to let everybody know that we have sent the final build of S&T 2011 to manufacturing and you can expect to see it in stores mid-February. We will post more details here and on our Facebook page when the new software is available to you can be some of the first to take the new product for a ride!
Some people will do anything to win a pool.
LOL
Larry you should have linked this page ... YAAAAA HOOOOO!!!!
Streets & Trips will soon be available! | Streets & Trips Team Blog
Streets & Trips will soon be available! | Streets & Trips Team Blog
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Larry, congrats! And thanks for breaking the tradition of silence, and letting the world know the ETA in advance.
Can you tell us what's new and exciting in the 2011 version or do we have to just wait and see?
I can’t get into details about the product now, but I can tell you that it will have all of the great features you have come to expect from Streets & Trips. Happy Valentine's Day!
Grinning from ear to ear... looking forward to the details once the product ships...
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I can’t get into details about the product now, but I can tell you that it will have all of the great features you have come to expect from Streets & Trips. Happy Valentine's Day!
That can't be it; he must just really LOVE us.
I am patiently waiting. . Happy Valentines day Larry.
If you are in Arizona you may not need to wait. Track me down at the Quartzsite RV Show and I'll hand you a 2011 trial DVD fresh off the presses!
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4181-come-arizona-first-try-streets-trips-2011-a
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4181-come-arizona-first-try-streets-trips-2011-a
Just mail me one LOL
I won't be going to Arizona until mid March.
There's an RV show in Toronto, Ontario, Canada beginning this week at the Toronto Congress Cetre... that would be an excellent place to release some trial DVDs into the wild... just a suggestion...
yeah, me too!
I'm flying from Ontario (CAL) to Houston with a change of planes in Phoenix on Feb 3. Perhaps Larry can make it to the airport?
Pheonix is quite a drive to Quartzsite, especially across that boring *** desert.
Just for curiosity, the S&T 2011 construction update page is ready to be used, just missing the new software itself.
We can still dream to get the next version in February...
We can still dream to get the next version in February...
Its been there for a while.
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We can still dream to get the next version in February...
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4181-come-arizona-first-try-streets-trips-2011-a
Yes, "They" can play with it while "We" cannot.
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Yes, "They" can play with it while "We" cannot.
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Someone told me I need to go to the used bookstore in Quartzsite, AZ to see Paul the owner. When I was looking on the web for an address I saw him...pretty much all of him.
I guess "they" have to accept the bad with the good.
Oh Snap!!!!!!! I don't need a early trial that bad I can wait until 02/11/2011 to try it!!!
I do not understand why if they can hand out the trial version at Quartzsite they cannot place a download on the Internet? Sure a Gigabyte is a large download, but I have all night and a blank DVD.
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It's possible they have scheduled the product for the release at a certain date in a week or two, but they've made an exception to give away a few pre-release copies at the show this weekend. Just a guess.
We got a box of trial versions just in the nick of time about an hour before we presented our GPS Navigation Seminar at the FMCA SEA Rally in Brooksville Friday.
Loaded it on a couple of our laptops and distributed 150+ disks to happy attendees.
Rally is over. Now we'll have a bit of time to evaluate.
Thanks, Larry!
Loaded it on a couple of our laptops and distributed 150+ disks to happy attendees.
Rally is over. Now we'll have a bit of time to evaluate.
Thanks, Larry!
Microsoft Store in the U.S. is showing the 2011 version available for download as well as available for shipment in a box if you pay for the shipping. However the download turned out to be the 2010 version, and the box they show is also of the 2010 version. I will now wait until I get an email from them that the 2011 version IS available for download. They refunded my purchase price and tax paid since I did not get what I was supposed to be purchasing.
Marvin's new product review, when it appears on this site, is probably the first and best indication that Streets and Trips 2011 is available.
Here's a starter list of obvious changes:
Street and Trips 2011 version is 18.00.23.0300.
The map data is updated, including Mexico coverage.
'Find coupons' is gone from the standard toolbar, and the View/Panes and Tools and Tools/Options menus.
'Send to GPS device' is gone from the Tools menu.
Street and Trips 2011 version is 18.00.23.0300.
The map data is updated, including Mexico coverage.
'Find coupons' is gone from the standard toolbar, and the View/Panes and Tools and Tools/Options menus.
'Send to GPS device' is gone from the Tools menu.
Sorry about the disappointment for you S & T guys but what about us on the other side of the Atlantic in the UK. Any news on Autoroute 2011? We have gone from being the originators to the poor relations!
GerardJanice, in the past few years, AutoRoute released a couple of months after Streets & Trips. There has never (seldom?) been any official announcement prior to the release, so we will likely have to just wait. Since not much has changed feature-wise in the North American software, I would expect the same for the European program. But I'm curious if perhaps the geographical coverage has been expanded, and/or more countries added to the address find feature.
So, on first look, it seems S&T 2011 is mostly 2010 with new maps and a few minor changes shipped 3-4 months later than the previous "normal" update cycle.
This sounds like a release that got into big trouble during the test cycle and realizing there was no way to fix things in any reasonable time frame, a recovery plan had to be put in place. So you either try to remove the bad feature or you go back to the previous release and make it "current". Removal of one feature is fraught with potential errors since its code often resides in modules shared with other product functions. If you did take it out, you'd have to restart the test cycle again to make sure you didn't screw anything else up. That's probably not going to be a quick fix.
So, you go back to the last version you know worked as a whole & include all the "easy" items to bring it up to date. That may have been what happened.
If this were true, maybe they should have cut the price. Well, there is a lot to consider there. When you think about the store markups, the manufacturing & shipment costs (box, dvd, etc), the royalties to the map folks, the amount of cut possible might not be that great. Also, if you cut the price, do you do anything for the people who recently bought an inferior product for a higher price? When the next new version comes out, do you raise the price again. Hummmm
Personally, although I was disappointed by the limited new functionality, new maps, some tweaks and fixes now are better for me than waiting many more months for a more attractive product. As other have said, $30 to $40 for map updates is not unreasonable esp. compared to others in the mapping and GPS world.
Should my supposition be correct, I do hope they are by now feverishly working of fixing the broken feature and will have this great stuff available in time for the "normal" next release later this year.
This sounds like a release that got into big trouble during the test cycle and realizing there was no way to fix things in any reasonable time frame, a recovery plan had to be put in place. So you either try to remove the bad feature or you go back to the previous release and make it "current". Removal of one feature is fraught with potential errors since its code often resides in modules shared with other product functions. If you did take it out, you'd have to restart the test cycle again to make sure you didn't screw anything else up. That's probably not going to be a quick fix.
So, you go back to the last version you know worked as a whole & include all the "easy" items to bring it up to date. That may have been what happened.
If this were true, maybe they should have cut the price. Well, there is a lot to consider there. When you think about the store markups, the manufacturing & shipment costs (box, dvd, etc), the royalties to the map folks, the amount of cut possible might not be that great. Also, if you cut the price, do you do anything for the people who recently bought an inferior product for a higher price? When the next new version comes out, do you raise the price again. Hummmm
Personally, although I was disappointed by the limited new functionality, new maps, some tweaks and fixes now are better for me than waiting many more months for a more attractive product. As other have said, $30 to $40 for map updates is not unreasonable esp. compared to others in the mapping and GPS world.
Should my supposition be correct, I do hope they are by now feverishly working of fixing the broken feature and will have this great stuff available in time for the "normal" next release later this year.
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