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How to update maps in the discontinued nRoute? Should I buy Garmin Mobile PC?
mike123
Hi all.

I am a long time Laptop GPS user but am now running into road blocks from Garmin and am looking for some advice as to how to proceed. I have been reading several of the threads and reviews but am still a bit foggy on how to proceed forward from my current setup.

On a Windows XP laptop I have been using for seversl years, a Garmin 18 USB receiver with 2 map sets that have been updated with each update as they became avaiable. Mapsource City Navigator North America and City Navigator Australia, both updated to 2009 versions. The GPS software used is Garmin nRoute.

Now that nRoute is no longer being suported/updated by Garmin, and they have stopped producing updates for the non-NT maps, my maps are quickly getting out of date. The myGarmin site is telling me there are updates available for my maps, but of course they will not work on my setup as the map updates are now all NT maps.

I am looking for advise as to the best course of action to keep my laptop GPS system running and with current maps. It seems that Garmin indicates if I purchase the Mobile PC software my GPS 18 USB should work, but my current mapsets will not. They are also a bit shakey on answering if I do purchase Mobile PC, that if I were to have multiple mapsets, that it can switch between multiple maps as the nRoute software did. Thus if I were to get Mobile PC with North America maps, could the City Navigator Australia 2010 software be loaded and then swap easily bach and forth.

Am I looking at replacing everything I have used over the years, or can I salvage some of it and still keep current? Or best just to throw it all out and start again. All these years Garmin has been very supporting, but man now I almost feel abandond by Garmin

Thoughts appreciated.

Mike
tcassidy
NT maps will work with nRoute. The problem is Garmin has changed the data layout possibly to make a smaller file size. However a program is available for download that can convert current maps to a version that works with MapSource 6.13.7 and therefore nRoute.

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If you are happy with nRoute and the GPS18, stick with it!

Although the software version of Garmin Mobile PC will work with your GPS18, your present maps won't. You also would not be able to add maps via MapSource or download updates of locked maps. If you are interested in Mobile PC, you will need the version that includes a GPS (USB 20x or BT 10x). That version can support maps you could unlock to the included GPS. Its time to get rid of that GPS18 anyway; I know it is magnetic and waterproof but that is because you need to mount it outside just to use it.

Switching between maps in Mobile PC is almost as easy as nRoute.

Terry
mike123
Thanks for the info Terry. For now I will investigate getting and using a map converter to use with Mapsource and continue with nRoute. Just to be sure, my Mapsource version is actually 6.15.6, newer - I assume as with most software, a newer version is still compatible - yes?

Now as to converting - does it matter if the product is a locked or not product? It would reason that it could be unlocked in mapsource first, and then nRoute would be able to pickup and use the map software. Correct?

I can then take some time to investigate better a more modern solution with a newer faster GPS sensor and software.

Thanks again. Mike
tcassidy
Using a standard installation, The DVD would put a .gmap folder at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\GARMIN\Maps. The map could then be unlocked to your GPS18 using MapSource 6.15.6 and would display properly. However, you would not be able to see it listed in nRoute.

MapReverseConverter would use that .gmap folder to create a new map folder at a location of your choosing (e.g. C:\Garmin) and modify the registry to make that map available to any version of MapSource and nRoute. You should rename or backup and delete the original .gmap folder. You do not need a copy of MapSource 6.13.7.

Terry
mike123
OK - understanding of what should happen is good, but proceedure is still amiss. The Garmin 2010 map update is a download - self extracting .exe, not a DVD. When the download is launched it checks for the registered GPS and finds the GPS 18 and then I get stuck at your GPS does not support NT maps. Do map updates for this proceedure only work if I can find maps/updates that come on DVD? There seems to be no way into the update through Mapsource, as until the update is unziped, there is no new map for mapsource to see.
tcassidy
I think Ken in Regina said the same thing about the download and an unsupported product. You can only use the downloaded updates for a device that supports that version. Otherwise, you need a DVD to start. Did you try Winzip or a regular unzip program to see if you could get the download to expand somewhat? If so, there might be another way to bypass that. If not, you should contact Garmin and get your money back.

I wonder if the NT product would unlock to an unsupported device?

Terry
mike123
Thanks for all the support Terry. It appears this is mostly a dead end. I was able to unzip with winzip, then convert to non-NT maps. But still ran into more issues with the unlock, with invalid product, etc. I tried a keygen, but then needed the Map ID or FID. So got a program to try and pull the Map ID - just gets really messy. It seems maybe it is time to get a new GPS anyways. It was no problem getting money back from Garmin as it was their myGarmin that indicated to me incorrectly that this may was an update available for me - when it actually should not have indicated such.

Now I am still hesitant because of a comment by Garmin support during my trials. So - If i was to purchase Garmin Mobile PC with a new GPS device, with say City Nav North America, then go ahead and buy City Nav Australia/NZ 2010 lifetime NT Maps - which only comes as a download - can this second mapset be unlocked and added to Mobile PC? Garmin support says NO! Where the confusion came is that the CNAUS 2010 came up as an update available for my CNAUS 2009 non-NT maps. So if the 2010 is truly only an update available as a download, is that the downfall point?

On the otherhand. From my research on the forum, if I get MobilePC with hardware, it seems that all my current unlocked Non-NT maps would be usable - is this a correct statement? And if so is that with the new hardware, or only with the old registered GPS 18? If they would wirk with the new hardware, then possibly the update software from 2009 non-NT to 2010 NT would be valid. Or am I barking up the perverbial wrong tree? Possibly the old maps only work with the software only version, in which case I become stuck at the same point, unable to load multiple maps in an updateable environment.

Mike
tcassidy
I could not see how to use a unzip program with my download so don't know what you ended up with. Did you try unlocking the gmap folder with MapSource and your GPS18 before converting it?

You cannot add a legally unlocked map to the software version of Mobile PC. If the map was never locked in the first place, it will work with Mobile PC. You would use MapSource to transfer it just as with other Garmin GPS such as the Nuvi.

I can't say about the Australia maps but others have added Europe maps to GPS versions of North American Mobile PC. I think they used DVD versions but can't say for sure. I can not comment about downloadable updates other than the ones I have dealt with for my Nuvi. Those install a version for MapSource on the computer. I can't use them with Mobile PC as I have the software version. If I had the hardware version, they would still not work as they would be locked to the wrong GPS. Clear as mud!

In this group, we do not condone or discuss illegal methods of using any program . MapReverseConverter does not fall into this category as the converted data must still be legally unlocked.

Terry
mike123
I just asked Winzip to look at the exe file from the download and it waqs all the files and folders and was able to extract them easily. I tried to unlock both the original and the converted files (the gmap folder) but got the same message. It appears the problem I run into is the product key that Garmin supplies with the download, only works with the built in install program - that gets me stuck at devise not supported (non NT devise with NT map files). This product key is n ot the same as an unlock code. Possibly if I were to ask Garmin support thay might determine an unlock code for me that would work with the unlock in Mapsource. But, for me, going through this routine to unlock and convert for all future updates on multiple maps will be cumbersom. As my GPS is old school, I am now leaning towards updating the hardware. Thus I did not ask Garmin for any further help with unlocking, as that would only end up with this update locked to my old GPS, then if I do update hardware, would need to purchase the map again for a new GPS. I will just try to get Garmin to confirm that the CNAUS 2010 lifetime and will in fact unlock into the MobilePC CNNA version.

One more question - does MobilePC w hardware and North America maps come with the new avialable lifetime maps? Or will that likely be only available as a future update.

Mike
tcassidy
Lifetime map updates are available for the hardware version of Mobile PC.

Terry
resophil
Hello Everyone.

First post here, and I've been reading this forum until my eyes are sore! Thanks to all the knowledgeable people who post here!

This thread bears on what I'm trying to do right now. I have downloaded nRoute (v.2.7.5) and am trying to get maps from City Navigator NT 2010 to work with the program. I want to send the map file and program to my friend in Norway and have him plans some routes for some travelling we'll do together.

I have a copy of the map file named gmapsupp.img in a folder in My Documents. I have downloaded the MapReverseConverter utility as recommended above, but when I try to specify the target folder, it tells me that the folder "contains no convertable map file." As well, this is the strangest input window because it won't accept any keyboard commands... You can't enter anything manually. (BTW, the maps are opened and work fine with GMPC)

Does the target folder containing the map file have to have a .gmap suffix? Do I have to rename the map file to something else? I have tried gmapbmap.img with no luck.

Any suggestions and help are greatly appreciated.

-Phil
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by mike123
One more question - does MobilePC w hardware and North America maps come with the new avialable lifetime maps? Or will that likely be only available as a future update.

Mike
It does not come with the lifetime updates. As Terry said, you can purchase them later. When you get your Mobile PC, create a MyGarmin account (or use your existing one) and register the new receiver. Then you can order the lifetime updates for that receiver.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Phil,

I would highly recommend that your friend use Google Earth to do the planning. Your friend can save routes and send them to you to look at. Much easier than what you are trying to do. And it's legal.

...ken...
tcassidy
MapReverseConverter does not work with compressed img files. You need the gmap folder in maps. If you don't have that, you can't convert the maps.

Terry
resophil
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Phil,

... And it's legal.

...ken...
Don't get me wrong! I'm trying to get a program and maps that we can both use for some trip planning and then be available to us when I go over there soon.

I have no "maps" or .gmap folder as has been suggested above... (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\GARMIN\Maps) I have Garmin Mobile PC installed from DVD with the 20x receiver, and City Navigator NT 2010 Europe which I purchased separately (also on DVD) In C:\Documents and Settings, there is no "All Users" sub-folder! There is a Garmin folder, with garmin Mobile PC in it. This folder contains four other folders and numerous files. Among these is gmapbmap.img, which I assume is the basemap..., gmapprom.img which I take to be the maps pre-loaded into GMPC, and gmapsupp.img, which is the European maps installed from DVD...? There is no .gmap file that I can find anywhere.

If I wanted to send GMPC and it's associated map files to my friend in Europe, you might have reason to scold me, but nRoute is a freely downloadable program that has been discontinued by Garmin, as I understand. It's available in a zillion places on the net. Besides which, If he wanted to buy a receiver there to try to use the City Navigator maps, wouldn't he have to buy an unlock code, since the maps seem to automatically unlock themselves to my receiver here...? Garmin would get their pound of flesh somehow!

I am using a Dell netbook with a Dell version of Windows XP. Is it possible that this version of XP is truncating this file system in some way?
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