I'm basing my comments on S&T 2009, so please forgive me if 2010 has already addressed this. I would much prefer to see what distance remains for my trip, not the remaining time. I'd also like to see the current elevation displayed in the Routing panel at the bottom of the screen.

distance remaining to next stop and until final destination has been added to the navigation pane in 2010 and above releases.

Was added but is not working. Am I wrong ?

There are many posts on this forum about this problem in the 2010 version. Yes there seems to be a bug the way it was designed in 2010 version:

see http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2515-streets-trips-2010-mileages-dont-match-directions-navigation-panes

OK that makes Larry statement false. No offence at all, just constructive criticism.
I just like straight things.

Moose_Master said:
It is not false. It has been added. It is just not working as expected...

It is more a question of how one defines "distance." As used in the navigation panel, it is the shortest distance from the last point of GPS reckoning to the end point of the selected route, "as the bird flies." It is not the sum of distances of the remaining route segments as some people might prefer.

U don't get it dont u ?
Let's put it this way: the government promise u they will open a new hospital in your city. They build it but they don't have doctors to run the hospital. So that "hospital" is just a new building in town, empty and useless. Here comes the question: for u as a citizen there is a hospital in town ? Can u go there with your kids or u go as usual 100 miles to the closest hospital ?

And can u explain to me please the meaning of "is just not working as expected" ? Because from what I see is plain and simple : IS NOT WORKING.
With all due respect but I think u are trying to defend a lost case. Why ? Are u working for Microsoft ? And if u do why cant u accept a reality. Because that feature (advertised with trumpets) for any user do not exist.

I repeat, I'm not a hater of any kind. I'm just a (to) realistic person who wear glasses anti-dust.
No hard feelings I hope ....

I agree 100%, even though I only use Streets for planning purposes. Adding a feature that doesn't work is more worthless and frustrating than if they hadn't even added it in the first place. To top it off, I've never seen MS release any patches/updates to Streets, which means it'll be a worthless, nonworking feature until they decide to release a new version, whenever that happens to be.

You have to remember, this is MICROSOFT, which is one of the largest software manufacturers on the planet. I'm sure Streets only gets a small portion of the budget, but still... If they release "broken" software, why would smaller companies even bother making theirs work 100%?

malaki86,
nice setup u got in your truck. Do u use your laptop as a TV also ? I do have two printers in my truck(I do have too a Volvo). One is on the floor beside the passanger seat (it's inkjet) and I use it for scaning and faxing custom papaers and such and the other one is in the cabaret and it's a laser one. I use it only for printing, logbooks etc.
What are u using the sunvisor screen for ? Where the signal is coming for ? I am so curious. Sorru for so many questions but when I see a fellow truck driver with more gadgets than me I kinda get envyous. Just jokin !

LOL - replying via pm

I just started to use the new Streets & Trips 2011 and something stroke me from the beginning. I created a trip. Let's say I'm going from Gull Lake,SK to Milan,WI. I create the trip and when I hit F3 ....surprise. On navigation pane I do have 945 mile and on Direction I do have 1063.7 mile.
I'm doing efforts not to think at what I should think. Is this possible or I did something wrong ? Can someone give me a hand with this please?

I'm confused with your question. Didn't someone earlier in this thread not say that was exactly what would happen? What don't you understand?

Terry

Terry, I am talking here about the 2011 version not about the 2010. On 2010 it is nailed on the wall that is not working. Now I am talking about a version one year after the 2010.
I refuse to believe that the glitch is still there after one year. I think I'm doing something wrong.

It is more likely the same problem is still there.

...ken...

Thanx Ken. I'm speechless.

Moose_Master:

With all the respect for your opinion, nothing is all white or black in this world. It is more than often shade of gray. I don't try to defend a lost case. I would prefer myself to have the real cumulative distance from the route than "bird flies". And no i have nothing to do with microsoft. I am designing software myself from many years and i can understand that sometimes someone could have thought about a feature in a software and a different way of doing it could have been better. But i know also that for some people no matter how you would have done it, it would never be correct, because it is not exactly the way they want it.

When you said it was false i simply don't agree with you. Nothing was false in Larry sentence. They really implement a feature like that, but it is not what most users have expected. They probably miss the target...

I just don't like this kind of "just constructive criticism". If you really want to be constructive, don't say things like "OK that makes Larry statement false.". This look to me you think he is a liar.

This is not my definition of "constructive criticism". Explaining what you really want in that feature, why you don't like it, etc and not giving assumption about other people would be real "constructive criticism".

This is my opinion. On a forum, you should always take care of what you are saying about others because it could be wrongly interpreted...

Well, seems that we have different opinions about what a lie is. That feature is not only that "could be better". That feature is not working AT ALL for the purpose that was created for, advertised for and asked money for. That feature that u say about "but is not what most users have expected" in reality there is no feature. This is what I call a lie. No matter how much sugar would u add to make it better it wont work.
I dont know how to explain it better than this. From this issue point of view there is no gray. There is black or white. And 2011 is the second year with black. We do not talk here about the colour of the map in night mode. We ask 100 people about it and would have 100 opinions. We talk about a feature that DO NOT EXIST.
From the constructive criticism pov I wont even start talkin because that was not adressed to u. But if u want to help Larry from Microsoft on that matter tell me and we can talk. I would be even glad to talk about it.
One more time: no hard feelings I hope.

The answer to the question originally posed was correct. Just because the added feature does not meet your needs (or anybody else's) does not mean it does not exist. If the feature did not exist at all then the statement could be construed as untrue. However the fact that the feature is there, working properly or not, makes the statement true.

You can certainly add your opinion about what a feature should do without affecting some else's credibility.

Terry

The feature "is there" and that is all that matter for u guys. Who cares if is useless or not. And in fact who cares today about the truth ?
Your opinions are yours my opinions are mine. For me that feature DO NOT EXIST. Period.

I was not rude and never used indecent words. Someone asked about that feature and Microsoft answer dared to LIE that the feature exist. Well that is a what I call a lie. And in fact that is a rude and disrespectful answer. Should I start talking about "some else's credibility" ????

Now let's make it clear. Here there is a public forum where as long are not used offensive words or illegal ideeas every John Doe can express his opinions about GPS software. That being said I decided to express my opinions related with product that I keep spending money on (since the nature of my job require).
As long as I am spending money of an advertised product that is launched on the market already defective I consider that I do have the right to express my disapointment about that product.
I wont stop complaining as long as Microsoft is launching version after version with al kind of defects but asking money for a non-defective product. I refuse to let my head down and accept the "reality" quiet and obedient. Because let's make it clear: after u buy the product u cannot return it back.
Since two years a go they realised that a trial mode should be offered because of their lack of ability to make a non-defective software. They didnt do that because of respect for customer. They did it because they avoid this way someone like me who may call them in court for not refunding money on a defective product. They just want to cover their back. Not because they care about the customers. No way !

I wanted to quit using S&T and start using Copilot for trucks but guess what. The version for Vista do not exist. Now dig something: they have a version for XP(before Vista) one for Windows 7(after Vista) but not for Vista. Why ? Wont be difficult to answer why....because Vista is another failure FOR WHAT I PAID.
Because of Vista I cannot install (from the same reason) a software that allow me to diagnostic malfunctions on my truck(VCAD). Because of Vista on this laptop I do have everyday troubles with the software from my broadband card. Because of Vista I do have almost everyday conflicts with a lot of things in my computer. When my old computer died(XP installed) I bought what was the only option available on the store at that moment.....big mistake but no other choice)
And I can keep go on and on but is not worth it. And BTW, Vista is indeed a product that "is not working as expected". Because from time to time is working. With this I agree. If is working from time to time I have to accept it as existing. But that feature from S&T IS NEVER WORKING. So I cannot consider it as existent. I cannot consider as existent a dream that Microsoft had. It is just a dream that never came true.

So as long as I am forced to pay money on Microsoft errors I wont stop calling the things on their name. Never. I was never reambursed. I called Microsoft because my 2010 version on S&T (the 2011 demo also) is giving me some error and I have to start it with aftermarket methods found by smart people. They told me: we are sorry but for now we do not have a patch....we will contact u as soon is possible".

I do have thou to admit that having a trial mode is a good thing they did(not only for them) for potential customers. Because in this way 2011 version wont be on my shopping list this year and I already sent an e-mail to all my friends truckers to stay put this year.(they were all very greatfull for my info....and i swear I didn't asked money for that)