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Ferries & Alaska Marine Highway routing issues in Microsoft Streets and Trips
rgs360
Hello,

OK, I think I found the bug. You have to select points all around the ferries and "force" it to the route...essentially as you suggested, manually route. I forgot about the Anton tunnel in Whittier . So I have attached a rough itinerary of our trip. I started at the RV storage center though we are meeting at the Pilot which is just north of there by the Cabela's store for those Texans out there.

I would seriously appreciate any comments. We have the Milepost magazine subscription and are generally following the suggestion of going North on the ferries instead of the mass of traffic coming south and so we should have better accommodations, etc.

We are a mix of Class "A" diesel pushers, travel trailers and two small class "c". Don't have a final count but between 6 and 8 units with average length of 40-45' plus the two 30' class "c". You will notice that we are not planning to take this in a hurry (60+ days) with minimal driving and lots of sightseeing. Most of us have been to various parts of Alaska but we have not all driven the entire route.

Thanks for your input (BTW, this is a 2011 trip hopefully and the economy shines again)
Attached Files
File Type: est alaska tour.est (5.72 MB)
tcassidy
My computer shows that route as using the Port Hardy - Prince Rupert ferry, not the one fom Bellingham. Is that just a routing thing or do you need to add a couple of waypoints on the Alaska Ferry route to force it?

Terry
rgs360
dHello,

Not sure, we are using the Bellingham ferry rather than driving to Prince Rupert. You can get off however at many different endpoints, two of which will connect with the cross-gulf sailings on AMH Kennicott. We simply wanted to see Juneau and wanted to save the time of driving to Prince Rupert which I think will also connect to Juneau but don't quote me on that.

Thanks,

James
tcassidy
No, mine shows the route going to Vancouver (BC), crossing to Vancouver Island, using BC Ferries from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert and the Alaska Ferry from there. That is not using AMH at all!

Terry
rgs360
Hello,

I don't know what to tell you, but the Alaska ferry is US only and doesn't go that way. This may be another glitch in the software. Transportation & Public Facilities, State of Alaska has the schedules and ports that they sail to.

Thanks,

James
SpadesFlush
James,

I think you need to zoom in to a pretty fine level to drop waypoints onto exactly the points you want.

For instance, your file has Stop #21 on the Port Hardy-Bella Bella ferry whereas I think you want it on the AMH. I have moved it on this file attached. Zoom in on it and I think you will see the difference, which is quite significant.
Attached Files
File Type: est alaska%20tour[2].est (5.73 MB)
tcassidy
Whether AMH goes that way has nothing to do with the issue. If you were to distribute this est file to the others, they would not use the route you want because S&T is misunderstanding your intentions.

Try this slightly modified version. I added a waypoint (21) on the AMH route to force S&T to use the ferry I think you want.

Terry
Attached Files
File Type: est Alaska Tour(mod).est (5.73 MB)
SpadesFlush
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcassidy
Whether AMH goes that way has nothing to do with the issue. If you were to distribute this est file to the others, they would not use the route you want because S&T is misunderstanding your intentions.

Try this slightly modified version. I added a waypoint (21) on the AMH route to force S&T to use the ferry I think you want.

Terry
I think we agree on Stop #21.
rgs360
Hello,

Spades, thanks for that catch. I was looking at that and did the same myself.

James
tcassidy
Yes, SpadesFlush. Sorry, it looks like we were modifying the file at the same time! You really do have to zoom in close to see the ferry routes and also pick the right direction!! S&T seems to go out of its way to not use the AMH route.

Terry
rgs360
Hello,

I moved to my larger monitor and yes, you all are correct, zooming in helps to see the routes for the various BC and AMH ferries. These laptops are portable but need a projector to see this small level of detail. Thanks all.

James
SpadesFlush
James, you guys are certainly planning an ambitious trip! I don't know how you pick and prioritize where you stop and for how long, but I think you now have workable start to discuss with your fellow navigators.

One thing I would suggest is thinking about the Lake Louise and Calgary stops in Alberta. Without knowing what you want to do there, I would observe that the Calgary over-night stop is really just down the road from Lake Louise. Both are nice; one can happily spend a great deal of time in Lake Louise and Banff. South of Calgary directly on your route there is a terrific aircraft museum, see Bomber Command Museum of Canada. I recommend a stop there. Certainly, the way your route is planned now, you would have time to spend a couple of hours there.

The one thing that would worry me about the overall shape of the trip is that there is not much in the way of contingency allowances. For instance, if one of your rigs breaks down for a couple of days in some remote part of Alaska, it throws off the entire rest of the trip for everyone.

But I think this is a really good start.
rgs360
Hello,

Women determine most of the stops. We basically have thought that we would take the list of campgrounds with us and call ahead about a week. We planned about 80 days but only show about 65 here. Most of our other friends have done a very similar trip in about 60 days but went the other way. Mechanical breakdown is the biggest worry to me and short of a truck repair facility, you aren't exactly working on anything. That's why I think traveling in a caravan will be of most value.

The biggest problem I've heard of is some of the big rigs which have the radiators in the direct back get a stone thrown the radiator by the fan. Several shops in fact now offer a bottom screen for the engine compartments to keep the big fans from picking up gravel and shooting it through your radiator. Fortunately for us, Monaco puts theirs on the side and claims not have this problem---I've put the screen on anyway

Anyone else hear of common breakdown problems?

Thanks,

James
rgs360
Hello,

BTW thanks for the heads-up on the aircraft museum.

James
SpadesFlush
Glad to help.

Are you familiar with the POI files offered here on the Forum? You should see if there is anything there of use or interest.

Also, take a look at www.poi-factory.com for downloadable data bases if you have not already.
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