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Ken in Regina
I've emailed Garmin Product Support to see what they say about what's shipping. We can compare notes.

...ken...
xPosTech
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Very few of the internet order houses I've dealt with recently warehouse anything. They seem to share storage locations with a bunch of companies in various locations. These were all Canadian ones though. I don't know if DrivenGPS maintains their own stock or not.


EDIT I just checked. DrivenGPS is the same setup. Headquartered in Everett Washington and shipping from various warehouses.


Terry
I've been retired too long. A drop shipment didn't even cross my mind. I guess Amazon's lil notice under the price: "Only three on hand but expecting more soon" was sticking in my head.

UPS just emailed me with a shipping update. Sked delivery is Wed18th. That will be a long three day shipment.

OT for just a bit. I found Ken's rule about singleness of purpose.
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Never, never, never ask them more than one question in a support request. If you make that mistake they'll answer the easiest one and close the whole thing.

I know it's a nuisance but I learned long ago (with businesses other than Garmin) that if you have three questions you do three support requests. It makes it much harder (but not impossible) to ignore any of them.

...ken...


Ted
tcassidy
Quote:
Originally Posted by xPosTech
UPS just emailed me with a shipping update. Sked delivery is Wed18th. That will be a long three day shipment.
Ted
How does the provider manage to unload responsibility for the delay on to the delivery organization?

Terry
xPosTech
I could choose delivery options keyed to how soon I thought I needed it.

UPS Ground $6.95 UPS 3 Day Select $11.43 UPS 2nd Day Air $15.13 UPS Next Day Air Saver $31.30

The site server is stripping the column alignment but you get the idea. I chose 3 Day Select but Ground might have resulted in the same delivery date. Then again sometimes they (UPS) will play around with estimates when the weekend is involved and deliver it a day or two early. Then you stay happy with UPS.

Ted
tcassidy
I guess that sounds right. It would be 3 business days which is Wednesday. I didn't realize it was so late in the month already. That's what comes with retirement.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by xPosTech
OT for just a bit. I found Ken's rule about singleness of purpose.

Ted
Dang! He sounds like a pretty smart feller!!

Must be all those years of doing and managing tech support.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by xPosTech
UPS just emailed me with a shipping update. Sked delivery is Wed18th. That will be a long three day shipment.
That would be the weasely old "three business days" policy. So if you subtract the weekend....

...ken...
tcassidy
I guess my point was that as DrivenGPS doesn't have this product in some back corner of their dusty warehouse, it is as likely to be the latest version as the one from Amazon. They probably both ship from the same place!

Terry
xPosTech
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
That would be the weasely old "three business days" policy. So if you subtract the weekend....

...ken...
It depends on the pickup. If UPS has it by Friday night it will leave Houston Monday morning. I might have it Mon. afternoon or Tuesday morning if I want to pick it up. It's not worth the trouble to call local UPS for special handling on this end.

Did it lots of times when I had a down system, though. I've even bought a seat next to me when I couldn't get to Air Freight before the flight deadline. Too fragile to check as baggage.

One time I complained about my 465 O'scope being heavy. Vern (boss) forced me to leave it and take a small scope they were evaluating. I hated that smaller but useless thing so much I checked it as baggage coming back from Oklahoma City.

There was a big tire track across the (dented) back of it when it came down the carousel. Braniff wanted me to plug it in to see if it worked!

Vern never again "suggested" what gear I took with me.

I'm getting long winded again and better close this post. (Actually I'm just killing time till it gets here. )

No, not really. You guys are invaluable. Thanks.

Ted
xPosTech
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
I guess my point was that as DrivenGPS doesn't have this product in some back corner of their dusty warehouse, it is as likely to be the latest version as the one from Amazon. They probably both ship from the same place!

Terry
I think you're right, Terry. We'll know in a few days anyway.

Last night I downloaded Mapsource 6.16.2 and nRoute 2.76 from Perry's site. Should I have also grabbed Basecamp? I couldn't tell what the latest version was.

Ted
tcassidy
If you don't already have Mapsource on your computer, it will not install. Installing BaseCamp will solve that problem. You can uninstall BaseCamp once MapSource is working if you don't find a need for it.

Others have said the map update download for Mobile PC does not include the copy MapSource needs but we can't confirm that. I did notice on the last Nuvi update, that Mobile PC was listed separately so maybe it is a different procedure. That means you won't have a current map for MapSource.

Terry
xPosTech
Will any version of Basecamp do? It looks like the latest is 3.05 dated 14 June 2010.

Also I saw a reference somewhere that Mapsource 6.13.7 was useful for older maps. If possible I'd like to put NatGeo TOPO maps in Garmin Mobile PC. I found packages of 25 map credits for less than $5 per package.

Thanks
Ted
xPosTech
I don't think the NatGeo maps would have any routing data, though.

Ted
tcassidy
You can have more than one version of MapSource on your computer if you want but I don't think there is any advantage to 6.13.7. I know nothing about using NatGeo maps with MapSource.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Re: BaseCamp version. If all you want to do is have an existing Garmin map management product installed so you can install a Mapsource "update", BaseCamp version is irrelevant. Install any version. Install the latest Mapsource update file. Uninstall BaseCamp.

BaseCamp has a number of features that Mapsource does not so you may want to have a look at it. The interface .. the entire paradigm .. is hugely different.

Re: Mapsource versions. 6.13.7 was the last version that did not support Garmin's new method of installing maps on the PC. It's also the last version with the old rendering engine. If you care about accurate representation of shapes of things (water bodies, islands, etc.) you will want to keep a copy of 6.13.7 on your PC. The new rendering engine in versions post-6.13.7 only renders things in proper proportion near Olathe, Kansas (the center of the universe as Garmin knows it).

Changes were made in very recent versions to allow you to manually change the centre of the universe so you can get stuff rendered in proper proportion "locally". It was a welcome bandaid but it's no real solution.

On a related note, nRoute only works with maps that Mapsource 6.13.7 can use. If you can't use a map product in 6.13.7, it won't work in nRoute. There is a reverse converter that will convert the new map storage format backwards so that it is usable by Mapsource 6.13.7 and nRoute.

If you plan to have 6.13.7 on your PC, here's the way to get there:

- install Basecamp
- Install Mapsource 6.13.7
- copy the Mapsource.exe file somewhere safe
- upgrade Mapsource to the latest version
- rename the 6.13.7 Mapsource.exe file to something else (I use mapsource6137.exe) and copy it back into the folder where Mapsource is installed (usually C:\GARMIN if you allowed the default).
- I have two desktop shortcuts, one for 6.13.7 and one for the latest version.

Going forward, you can just install new Mapsource upgrades as they become available. None of that will affect the 6.13.7 executable. It will run normally.

Some of us prefer the way the maps are rendered in 6.13.7 because it's more like paper maps and less cartoonish than the new method of rendering that everyone, not just Garmin, thinks is better. It's much finer detail. It's also a lot faster redrawing as you pan and zoom ... LOTS faster.

If the National Geographic maps do not advertise themselves as being Garmin-compatible you can be pretty sure they aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get them if they have information you want. Just don't expect to use them in a Garmin nav device or program.

If you want free USA topos to play with in Mapsource and Basecamp, you can download Dale's Ibycus USA Topo map. It's made from the same data that is used to print the government 1:50,000 topo maps. You can use Mapsource to load them into Mobile PC. (I've never tried loading maps with Basecamp so I don't know if it supports Mobile PC.)

Ibycus Topo - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

You could do all of this to amuse yourself and stay out of our hair while you wait for your Mobile PC to show up.

Disclaimer: If none of this works as I described, please remember how much you paid for the consulting.

...ken...
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