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RSTravler
I just want to make a comment on ALK. It appears that they have given up on CoPilot for the private person. Get yourself a compatible cell phone and you are in good shape. That seems to be the direction they are going.

I now have a laptop with the AMD64 processor which doesn't accept CoPilot 10 as is. They don't seem to know a solution nor make much effort to fix it. No reward for customer loyalty.

RS
malaki86
Just so you know, the last version of CoPilot Truck was version 11. It wouldn't run (or even install) on a 64bit system. It also wouldn't run correctly if the computer had something as futuristic as a widescreen monitor (which both of the 2 laptop's I've owned had). They initially said they'd release a patch within a few weeks of version 11 being released to fix those issues. That was, what, 3 years ago? Still no patch of any kind.
tcassidy
There is a difference between a 64 bit processor and a 64 bit operating system. This is becoming very unclear as to what is being discussed but is probably moot anyway.

Terry
malaki86
It's the 64bit operating system that CoPilot wouldn't run on. I don't know what the new version will run on.
RSTravler
From what I have read by upgrading to Windows 7 Professional, then downloading Windows XP Mode software and installing that plus turning on the virtual mode (if the Amd64 processor is capable of virtual mode). Then supposedly the CoPilot 32 bit software will work.

One person has already posted on this forum that he was able to do it and it works for him. He's the only one who has commented that it works.

I talked to ALK and they don't know what works. Apparently they haven't tested it and don't care about supporting older hardware or software.

I don't hold out much hope that it will work. Plus I'm hesitant about spending another $200 just to upgrade to 'Windows 7 Professional' not knowing for sure it will work.

Has anyone else tried this?

RS
Ken in Regina
Hi RS,

You don't need to pay any money to test it if you still have a legitimate copy of your XP operating system disk kicking around.

Windows Virtual PC is a free download. The only reason you have to pay for Windows Professional in order to get XP Mode is that Microsoft wants the extra money to cover the XP license in XP Mode. That is, XP Mode is just Windows Virtual PC with Windows XP already pre-installed in a virtual machine to save you the work.

If you still have your XP disk you can download Windows Virtual PC for free, create a new virtual machine and install your own copy of XP in it for running XP-only apps.

EDIT: Once you have your XP virtual machine running to your satisfaction and BEFORE you start installing any applications in it, clone it and always start from the cloned copy. That way you will always have a clean barebones installation that you can start from. Never install anything in the original XP VM, ever. Always clone it and start from the cloned copy.

Download Windows XP Mode

When you get to the download page, select a version of the operating system that DOES support XP Mode, e.g Win 7 Pro 32-bit or 64-bit and select your language. The download screen will change and give you three download buttons to choose from. Select the "Windows Virtual PC" button (should be the middle button).

Note: If you have a 32-bit version of Win 7 make sure you select Win 7 Professional 32-bit. Or 64-bit if that's what you have.

...ken...
tcassidy
I am still hearing 2 if not 3 different things here.

1.) Copilot won't work with a 64 bit o/s
2.) Copilot won't work with Windows 7 (of any bit)
3.) Copilot won't work with an AMD64 processor

Are all, or some, or maybe none of these correct? Usually what won't work with Win7 or possibly any 64 bit o/s is the GPS.

Terry
RSTravler
Hi Ken,

Thanks for the info. I know a lot about computers but you're losing me. I don't understand the processes to do what you said. It's been all I can handle just getting some stuff to work on a new 64 bit machine.

Thanks, RS
malaki86
CoPilot 9 & 11 will both run AMD64 CPU-based computers. BUT, they won't even install if it's a 64bit operating system.

My old laptop had an AMD64 with XP, 32 bit. Both installed and ran (after I had to go to a goofy, non-standard video resolution). Neither program will even install on my current laptop, which has an AMD64 and Vista 64bit.
tcassidy
Thank you for the clarification, malaki86.

Terry
RSTravler
Ken,

I don't have a copy of Windows XP to install. Do I need that or will the Windows Virtual PC software do it? My last PC never came with an install disk for XP.

Thanks, RS
Ken in Regina
You need an install disk.

A "Virtual PC" is like a blank PC. That is, it needs some sort of operating system installed to do anything useful. So when you install and run Windows Virtual PC, the first thing you need to do is create a new "virtual machine", e.g. you are creating a virtual PC within your real PC. In that virtual PC you can run any operating system you want to. So, for instance, this is a way you could play with some Linux distributions for fun. Or if you need to run a different/older version of Windows for compatibility reasons.

But for that to happen, you have to install a copy of the operating system in your new "virtual PC", just as if you were going to install it on a brand new PC with no pre-installed operating system.

So, you need an XP installation disk or you need Windows Virtual PC with the XP Mode, which already has XP pre-installed in it.

...ken...
RSTravler
Ken,

--I have already downloaded the Windows Virtual PC (64 bit) software. So you are saying that will that serve as the operating system or do I still need to install Windows XP 32 bit op system? My desktop didn't come with an install disk but I found my Windows XP install disk for the old laptop. And I have the key code so CAN that be used to install in this machine for the op system?

--The goal is to be able to install and use Co-pilot 10 as this is an AMD64 machine with Windows 7 operating system and it won't run the older software. I'm trying to save it instead of finding a whole new setup. I've had the Co-pilot system since 2001 and have upgraded several times. Was happy with version 10. Ver 10 always worked just fine under Windows XP. And hopefully I won't lose all my trips and any custom locations in the old copy. I should be able to copy those files in.

What's the procedure to create the 'virtual machine' once the 'Windows Virtual PC' is installed and run? Or does it step through the process?

I also think I should do a backup of this unit before attempting any changes and a restore point, do you agree?

I would think there are others who are interested in how this works too.

Thanks, RS
Ken in Regina
Hi RS,

I haven't used Virtual PC in months and I uninstalled it early this summer because I had no further use for it. So I don't recall the exact steps. The idea is that you must create a new virtual machine in Virtual PC. Then you install the XP operating system in it just as if it was a real computer. That's what you need your installation disk and activation code for.

You should be able to find step-by-step directions on the internet somewhere ... your search engine is your friend. You might even be able to find a YouTube video about how to do it. Sorry I can't provide more specifics. If you have trouble finding something, let me know and I'll see what I can come up with.

There isn't much you can do to hurt your system by installing Virtual PC. The beauty of a virtual operating environment is that what you do inside it stays inside it and does not affect the host system. But it's always a good idea to do a backup and a restore point before doing a major installation.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Here's a YouTube video about how to install and use Virtual PC. I didn't watch the whole thing so I can't tell you if it's perfect or just a perfect waste of time. I'll let you waste the four minutes to find out.

How to Set Up and Use Virtual PC - Video

...ken...
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