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Review: DeLorme Street Atlas 2010
Ken in Regina
Well, it turns out to be quite irrelevant anyway. I can't register online in any case so there's no need to fill in all that junk in the first place. If I leave the Register Online box checked I can't get the NEXT button. It stays gray no matter what I do. The only way to get past that screen is to uncheck the Register Online button. That allows the NEXT button to become functional and I can continue.

That screen still annoys me. Two installs and it has messed me up both times. Two strikes and I haven't even looked at the program yet.

...ken...
griffin6002
I gave up on Delorme. I just downloaded Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010 for $40, all of my stops are optimized into the most efficient route with one mouse click, and I can go make some money this afternoon.
tcassidy
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Well, it turns out to be quite irrelevant anyway. I can't register online in any case so there's no need to fill in all that junk in the first place. If I leave the Register Online box checked I can't get the NEXT button. It stays gray no matter what I do. The only way to get past that screen is to uncheck the Register Online button. That allows the NEXT button to become functional and I can continue.

That screen still annoys me. Two installs and it has messed me up both times. Two strikes and I haven't even looked at the program yet.

...ken...

I can confirm from testing both SA 2009 and 2010 that the original registration process only works for users with a US address. It appears others are expected to use the Netlink tab in the program if they wish to register their product. Ken will be happy to note the countries are in alphabetical order in that screen.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
I can confirm from testing both SA 2009 and 2010 that the original registration process only works for users with a US address. It appears others are expected to use the Netlink tab in the program if they wish to register their product.
DeLorme really doesn't think much of Canada, do they.

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Ken will be happy to note the countries are in alphabetical order in that screen.
YES!!!

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
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DeLorme really doesn't think much of Canada, do they.
DeLorme Street Atlas had no street-level detail of Canada at all just few years back. I suspect the likelihood of anyone outside the U.S. registering SA at that time was very small.

They've added local Canadian coverage since then, but they've overlooked the registration thing.
tcassidy
I tried a simple route using EZNav. I was going from my current location in Ladysmith to an address in Nanaimo. It appears Find Nearest means just that as it could not locate the Nanaimo address directly even if I added the city. If I put in a comma to separate the street from the city, it failed the search.

Using the 'Near Other Location' and choosing 'Nanaimo' let the program find the address I wanted. The voice used seems quite clear and understandable.

Terry
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Marvin Hlavac
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Originally Posted by griffin6002

Does anyone know where the "optimize stops" function is in Street Atlas 2010, or doesn't this exist? I could put 50 stops in my old Microsoft Streets and Trips 2009 and it would automatically re-arrange the order of the stops between my start and finish points to produce the most efficient driving route. I can't get Street Atlas 2010 to do this. Whatever order you put the stops in is the order in which it calculates the route, so you end up backtracking.

Shannon from DeLorme described how to "optimize stops" in earlier versions. This should still be the same in the new DeLorme Street Atlas 2010:

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Originally Posted by Shannon

When you adding stops to a route, use INSERT rather than ADD. If you ADD the stops, the route goes in the order they were placed in the route, if you INSERT them, the route is calculated using the stops geographically.

In the route tab, to the right of the stop field, make sure it says INSERT and not ADD.

Shannon
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tcassidy
Forgot 3D view.

Terry
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Marvin Hlavac
Terry, the 3D-view looks nice in the portrait mode.
Ken in Regina
I did a route from home to my brother's place about 800km from here. It was really wierd. It gave me the same route whether I clicked for "quickest" or "shortest". The route would work but it took me over some really wierd roads.

Mobile PC and Streets & Trips will give me one of three fairly common routes depending on what route preferences I set. These are all main highways.

DeLorme's routing was over secondary highways with all kinds of turns to get on and off of them. I had to insert two Vias to force it over the main roads. There aren't any breaks in the data because once I put those Vias in it took the right route. I don't know if the wierdness is because of the road data in the map or if it's the routing calculation software.

It did find the start and end addresses without a problem.

It's easy, almost too easy, to insert Vias with the cursor. As soon as you click on the white Via button the cursor changes to a different symbol and anywhere you click will become a Via. Pretty slick once you figure it out.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
I'm still not sure how I feel about the zooming and panning. The only way you can pan the map is to move the cursor way out to the edges until the cursor turns into a hand. Then you can click and drag the map around. I find that a tad annoying.

I'm ambivalent about the default cursor operation ... If you left-click and move the cursor up and left you get a sort of staircase thingy that represents a zoom-out scale. The more steps up the scale you move the cursor the farther out you zoom.

If you left-click and drag the cursor down and right you get a rectangular box that outlines the area that it will zoom the map into.

If you left-click and drag in any other direction (up/right, down/left) nothing happens.

You can override this by right-clicking on the toolbar and turning on Map Tools, then clicking on the little hand icon. This will turn the cursor into a hand so you can just click and drag to pan. This is the more common default mode for browsing the map with other programs. The only problem with this mode is that you can't zoom. At least it's not obvious to me how you would zoom in this mode. There are none of the usual zoom controls.

Street Atlas is not a normal Windows application. That is, it does not have a menu bar with the usual "File, Edit, View, Options, etc" items. So if you are used to using programs that adhere to Windows conventions you will have to learn how to think differently. That's not necessarily a criticism. It's just something to be aware of.

Most of the planning operations are done through the various tabs at the bottom. You have to pay attention when you're working in the various tabs because this program is rich with features.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
I can confirm from testing both SA 2009 and 2010 that the original registration process only works for users with a US address.
I just tried the Netlink tab in 2010 on my netbook. I decided to try registering now that I know how to find Canada.

It worked. It sent the registration. Then it told me the registration had been received and that a verification email had been sent to the address I included in the registration form. When I opened the verification email and clicked on the link I got a response that my registration had been accepted.

So now I'm a registered user. I hope that does more than just get me on a bunch more junk mail lists.

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
DeLorme Street Atlas will arrive in Canada on September 30, 2009. Some retailers are starting to take pre-orders.
Ken in Regina
Some of these features may be unique to Street Atlas and some may not. Some may be new in 2010 and some may not. Regardless, I think they are neat and worth mentioning, even though I haven't yet used some of them.

Voice tab -- you can talk to Street Atlas. It has a variety of voice commands you can give it if your computer has a microphone. I have not tried it but it looks interesting.

Handheld Export -- If you have a Palm device that runs Palm OS v5 or higher you can install a Palm version of Street Atlas. On the Handheld Export tab you can export map segments to the Palm.

The tab also has some sample map packages that it lists for both Palm and Pocket PC, so it's possible that you can also install a version of Street Atlas on your Pocket PC OS. I didn't see the Pocket PC option when I installed 2010 but perhaps that's because the installer saw my Palm Hotsync Manager conduits and only offered the Palm installation.

I haven't tried the handheld stuff yet.

Netlink tab - This tab allows internet access to DeLorme's web site directly from within Street Atlas. You can register Street Atlas, of course, if you didn't do it when installing. You can download things like software updates and add-ons. You can access a variety of Support options: Map Corrections, Product Support, Product Forums and DeLorme Blog. And there's a map library where you can download additional map data, for a price.

When you buy 2010 you get a credit for some free sample data. There's a link on the Map Library button that tells you what is included in the sample coverage. One of the neatest things you can get with Street Atlas is aerial imagery that overlays right on top of the roadmap. (DeLorme users already know this, of course.) DeLorme has no coverage for Canada in any of the additional stuff in the Map Library so this will only be of interest to Americans or those who travel there a lot.

Draw tab - If you want to add things to your Street Atlas maps like symbols and roads that aren't there this is the tab. Unlike most other nav/planning programs, Street Atlas lets you mess around on the maps. If you want to draw in the roads for a new subdivision you can do it here.

Print tab - The Print tab allows a great deal of control over printing maps. Not only can you print the actual map as it looks on the screen, you can also annotate it so the printed copy will have any notes on it that you want.

Phone tab - With the Plus version you get a phone directory of the US and Canada. Some people will find this interesting. My brother carries the Street Atlas Plus edition on his handheld just for the phone directory.

I found one annoyance when trying to use the Phone tab to see if my phone number is in it. I entered my last name, selected "Canada" and selected "Any" State/Prov. When I click Search I get an error that says "You must enter either a State, ZIP/Postal Code, or Phone Number to perform this search.

Huh? What's with that? If it doesn't like the "Any" selection for State/Prov why allow it?

If I select an actual province the search gives me a warning that "This search may take longer than others" and makes me click OK before it will start. Huh? What's different about this search and if it's going to take longer why is it bugging me with a warning message that requires a click instead of just getting on with it. (It really didn't take very long ... and my phone number's not in there.)

There are more tabs but the intent of this post was just to note the ones I found interesting because they are unique to Street Atlas either in functions that no other program provides or because they present the features/functions particularly well. As I said at the start, not all the tabs or features in them are unique to Street Atlas nor are they all new to 2010. I just found them interesting enough I wanted to comment.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
In a message above I mentioned some ambivalence about the zooming and panning controls in Street Atlas. I was using the netbook at the time. In netbook mode it defaults to not displaying the Control Panel. I haven't used DeLorme Street Atlas for awhile and had completely forgotten about it.

I was playing with Street Atlas on my desktop computer and discovered that when it's not in netbook mode Street Atlas defaults to the Control Panel on. The Control Panel gives you all the controls you could ask for for panning and zooming. Between the Control Panel and the cursor variations Street Atlas has enough ways to control panning and zooming that almost anybody should be able to find an approach that suits them.

...ken...
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