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Review: Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010
flannigan
Hi,

You may transfer a GPX file to your Garmin...

I have a Garmin Nuvï 750 and a Garmin GPS 20x, both don't work with Microsoft Streets and Trips, the 20x work with Garmin Mobil PC only.

I use a Deluo with S&T...
nialag:

Thanks for the info.

Mike Flannigan
Marvin Hlavac
I have a Garmin Nuvï 750 and a Garmin GPS 20x, both don't work with Microsoft Streets and Trips, the 20x work with Garmin Mobil PC only.

I use a Deluo with S&T...
Actually they both (the PND and the Garmin USB GPS) would likely work with Microsoft Streets and Trips as GPS receivers if you use GPS Gate (or the less expensive GPSGate Express).
nialag
Actually they both (the PND and the Garmin USB GPS) would likely work with Microsoft Streets and Trips as GPS receivers if you use GPS Gate (or the less expensive GPSGate Express).

Hi Marvin,

I know that... But I think not more expensive to buy an additional USB GPS like Deluo...

Tanks

Al.
nialag
By the way I usew 3 laptops... So it's cheeper that way!
Marvin Hlavac
The following is re-posted from microsoft.public.streets-trips

>> Summary: Very happy I upgraded. The GPX import/export will be of great
>> value to me.

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> Thought I'd come back to this post to say that I've been successful in
> using the GPX import and export, based on my use with a Garmin nuvi GPS
> and the Garmin MapSource software. I'm not sure what shortcomings other
> users have found, but perhaps they've needed to do some kinds of
> exchanges that I've not tried, or have had more advanced experience with
> other mapping programs. This has been one of the best new features of
> S&T 2010 for me. I especially like having a log of a day's travels that
> I can save and bring up at a later date. Being able to look at my
> "track" in Google Earth is probably the biggest treat.
nialag
Hi Marvin,

You are absolutely right and it’s my opinion too.
With Map source it’s longer and more complicated to plan a trip than with S&T.
I planned a trip from Québec, QC to Mission Texas, convert to GPX file and send it to my Nuvï 750. All the Way Points was sent. I go to “Mes données” and import to Itineraries (Itinéraires) the file GPX I had sent to GPS “Québec_Mission.GPX”.
All the operation need less than 5 minutes…
Marvin Hlavac
You are absolutely right and it’s my opinion too.
Alain, the reply was actually posted by a fellow over at microsoft.public.streets-trips, not me. I'm glad to hear people find the GPX import/export feature useful!
nialag
I also try to import a GPS trail from Nuvï to Google Earth... It's working great too !
You may also import a Way Point from Google Maps to your Gamin, it's very interesting... I don't know about S&T ? I will take a look on that.

This time I am in France... you wake up really early ?

Thanks
Marvin Hlavac
I've been up since just before 4 am
Enjoy your stay in France, Alain.
agr8skp
In 2009, the red arrow on the compass rose on the GPS Nav pane moved, pointing in the direction you were travelling. In 2010, the arrow remains pointing up while the compass rose rotates. I am unable to see the small NSEW letters and wish they would go back to the way it was done in 2009. I also cannot see the small font used to show eta and distance info. Last, I cannot hear the instructions even at the loudest setting. I have no problem with the volume in CoPilot, so I know it can be made louder.
malaki86
I agree 100% with the small font. It's hard to read on a 17" screen. I'm just glad I'm not using my 7" screen or it'd look like a blob.
Moose_Master
I downloaded Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010. I was thinking that after all these years of continuous working MST2010 will be way better then its predecessor. I was wrong. It is not. But this is just my .02.
I'm a very straight and simple person. And I don't want to change that. I don't like bull and I don't talk bull.
Let's see what was really changed in 2010 version compare with 2009 version. Marvin explain it very clear and I will not start to repeat. Then try to weigh if 40+ $ will worth for just few (very) minor things changed or not. I love the gadgets too and I'm not Scrooge. But to pay money (again) for basically the same product it is unacceptable for me.
With all due respect for MST team, I will have to let them know that if they want 40+ $ from my pocket they have to make that software to worth those money.

If I want to find a pharmacy I will google it and I will find it very fast. If I want to send to someone a map I will print it and send it for nothing(rather then to pay money to send and receive a map on a phone with a 2 inch screen). Re-adding pushpins (that were there until 2009 version) are not suppose to be mentioned as "improvements". And examples could keep going.

Now, after all the suggestions (I've lectured a lot of those on this great forum) from here they improved almost nothing. Apologies, the annoying lady who was keep saying "off route, off route" finally stopped. (and that is a major improvement I have to admit). I was almost to punch one time the screen in a very tens situation when my senses were sharp to get out from a very dangerous place and the lady was keep saying "off route")
The night colors are still the same colors sad and uninspired. During the night map there is no way to make a difference between an Interstate and a rural road.(the same thickness the same color).
The "road work" areas are still only on "directions" and are not visible on the map after a trip has been set up.
If I want to check something in advance on the "directions" I do have to uncheck the "provide navigation" because ST do not let me to scroll(why???????).
The navigation pane is still tough on the position and is unmovable. After a ton of suggestion to make it auto hide or any way to be removed when I drive on full screen. No way, the navigation pane is there like the National Flag.(is embarrassing I swear).
The navigation view is useless.... The way it looks when checked is like a map drawed by my daughter when she was 5 years old.
The zoom in/out scale is the same exaggerated scale. But I assume that is very complicate to do something to make it smoother.
There are a lot of roads wrong pointed on the map. I don't know if there MST has any guilt or not. But this is the truth. A lot of them. And I'm not talking about Canada where 35% of the roads are lets say "out of the road" but I'm talking about USA (Miami, south Texas, San Diego, Colorado, West Virginia, Montana, etc). In Edmonton, Calgary and that area I'm most of the time "off route).
There is a funny part that makes my day after day. Speaking the street names is so funny. Is embarassing how the name Eisenhower is spoken, or Roosevelt. There are a lot of names so funny spoken. I'm not native english but the MS Lady make my day when start speaking. But hold on, if u drive with a friend and want to laugh hard, start MST when u drive in Quebec and I swear u guys will roll laughing when hear french names spoken.

I will stop now because I do not have to much time for this right now. But anyway from my point of view the 2010 version is not worth it the money. I'm not a kid no more to be happy for finding options like "send to a mobile phone" or "send to a GPS". I do have other things to do and MST team should work for one or maybe two or three more years to make me take out of the pocket money for 2010 version. Maybe what I say sound sad or bad, but this is my personal opinion.
This is an opinion of a truck driver that drive 10-12 K miles per month allover Canada and USA. I said once: I wake up in the morning and first thing I'm doing I start Microsoft Streets and Trips. And I stop it right before to go to bed. I don't think there are many users that are using this software harder than me.

P.S. Right now I do have a route let's say from Napanee(ON) to Detroit(MI). The distance is 363 miles. I do have no stops on the trip I've done in MST2010. So, on my navigation pan is shown : 6 hr to the destination(which is virtually correct), next stop 244 miles(which next stop because I don't have any stop planned) and distance to end 244(distance to what end? because to the end of my trip I do have 363 miles). I checked in "route" the "route options" start at 10.15 AM end at 10.15 PM, flexibility "none" and stop for 1 min after driving 4 hr.
Is funny because if I change instead of 4 hr with 10 hr the distance to the end is changing.
So my question is where am I doing a mistake? The 244 miles "to the end" I cannot find it in "directions". So where this numbers are coming from. Then changing the time shouldn't change the distance. But it change.

As I say this is just my .02 so don't take it to serious.
Ken in Regina
P.S. Right now I do have a route let's say from Napanee(ON) to Detroit(MI). The distance is 363 miles. I do have no stops on the trip I've done in MST2010. So, on my navigation pan is shown : 6 hr to the destination(which is virtually correct), next stop 244 miles(which next stop because I don't have any stop planned) and distance to end 244(distance to what end? because to the end of my trip I do have 363 miles). ...

So my question is where am I doing a mistake?
No mistake from you. It is a bug in Streets&Trips. It is being talked about in another discussion here.

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
The navigation view is useless.... The way it looks when checked is like a map drawed by my daughter when she was 5 years old.
A strongly agree! Most of us are used to the way the roads look in Microsoft Streets and Trips, so it very seldom occurs to us to say anything about it. But you are absolutely correct. In the navigation mode (in 3D view) it does look like something that would have been nice 10 years ago, but it is sub-standard today. But I'm only talking about the navigation (3D-view) mode. Otherwise the map looks very good.
There are a lot of roads wrong pointed on the map. I don't know if there MST has any guilt or not. But this is the truth. A lot of them. And I'm not talking about Canada where 35% of the roads are lets say "out of the road" but I'm talking about USA (Miami, south Texas, San Diego, Colorado, West Virginia, Montana, etc). In Edmonton, Calgary and that area I'm most of the time "off route).
My experience is the exact opposite. Navteq maps are very good. But it very much depends on the geographical area, too. I might have been lucky to find myself mostly in well mapped locations. (When you find yourself "off route", do you have good enough GPS signal?).

Moose_Master, regarding the distance-to-destination issue, please also read the following discussion: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2515-streets-trips-2010-mileages-dont-match-directions-navigation-panes
Moose_Master
Thanx Ken and Marvin for answer. I didn't know about the bug with distances to the end was raised once.
Marvin please let me know from what point of view the map looks in your oppinion very good. Because to me it looks identical with 2009 version. So based on that there is no way to consider it very good. Will be very good when will look very good compared with a previous version. But again, this is only my own oppinion.
With the Navteq or whatever company who is take in care about map accuracy I can reafirm my point. I was driving and find that I'm "off route" a lot of times but I cannot remember exactly where. I'm not paid by Navteq to corect errors and I really don't have time to do that.
The one situation that comes into my mind right now(is 12.55 at night) is the Transcanada hwy in Saskachewan. I'm driving every time for few hours "off route" on Transcanada between Regina and Calgary. And I do have very strong signal. Is not from the signal trust me. But I would not even care about accuracy if the map would have major improvements. There is nothing perfect in this world. But when I see that year after year the changes are the opposite with the users wish list I cannot just take it.

And now let's say it straight: that bug with distances is as big as the lady who was keep saying "off route". To try to improve something like giving the distance to the destination(and I consider this a great improvement) but instead make it a fiasco ....c'mon let's talk the talk. After making an improvement there is nobody there who have the curiosity to make a follow-up if is working or not!?!?!

Anyway this only my way of thinking and as I say I won't go drunk with water.
The reason I take time to write my oppinions is simple. I really care about my routing software because of the nature of my job. The add-on Truck Stop Plus is working ONLY with S&T and I cannot use another software. And believe me, that Truckstop Plus is state of art. That's the only reason I still care about S&T.

All the best and drive safe guys
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