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Review: Garmin Mobile PC
tcassidy
The serial model requires power (12v). I assume you are supplying power if you can use it with the config program. There were updates for the GPS 18 quite a while ago.
If I recall correctly, The serial GPS 18 comes up in NMEA mode and switches to Garmin mode automatically under control of nRoute or, I assume, Mobile PC. The GPS 10 and GPS 10x work the same way and they usually work with Mobile PC. Try removing and repowering the 18 and then restart Mobile PC.
Terry
mstaedt
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
I have activated Mobile PC on a laptop, my main PC and a UMPC with no issues.
Terry

Based on this statement, I went ahead and activated it. It found the receiver right off. It hasn't found any satellites yet (I'm indoors and this isn't a very sensitive receiver) but I suspect it'll function fine now.

Thanks for your help!
mstaedt
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
If I recall correctly, The serial GPS 18 comes up in NMEA mode and switches to Garmin mode automatically under control of nRoute or, I assume, Mobile PC.
I should have thought about this a little longer. I went back into the cheesy Garmin utility and found a drop-down menu where I can switch the receiver manually between NMEA mode and Garmin mode - it was in NMEA mode. But now that I've activated Mobile PC, I won't know if that would have unlocked the program without activation.

Tomorrow I'll install it on another laptop at work and see if it finds the receiver without activating it.
mstaedt
Drove to work this morning...it searched for satellites the whole way there.

It looks like I still have some configuring to do.
tcassidy
Searching for Satellites means that it is definitely seeing the GPS 18. I did see this though when it couldn't ID the GPS. If you go back one screen, it would put up a warning about that.
Terry
jaamsk
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I just received e-mail from Semsons. They will carry Garmin Mobile PC. They are expecting to receive shipment in about two weeks. For those who don't know yet, Semsons gives discount to Laptop GPS World members.
Just a note- as of today (4/26/2008) I tried Semsons with the discount code for Garmin MobilePC (software only) and the message in my cart was "The coupon xxxxxxxx only applies to certain items. None of them are in your shopping cart."
(I put xxxxxxxx in this note but it posted the proper code).

Guess the code is not activated yet? The software appears to be in stock.

Jim
lforbes
Wondering if anyone has come to any overall conclusions - Garmin Mobile PC vs MS Streets & Trips. I use S&T but would be interested in switching if the Garmin product is significantly better for my type of driving (I volunteer for a wildlife rescue/rehab organization and the work involves a lot of driving in and around the city and southern Alberta to an assortment of destinations).

Has anyone progressed far enough to prepare a list of pros and cons??
Marvin Hlavac
Jaamsk, could you please wait a little bit. I just sent Semsons a quick e-mail regarding your question. My guess is that since Garmin Mobile PC is a brand new product, and Semsons just added it to their line of products they sell, they might have overlooked adding it to the discount coupon. But that's just my wild guess based on no knowledge of the facts. As soon as I receive the reply I will post here. Or better yet, Carlon, or someone else from Semsons, may post here directly, if they wish.

lforbes, I'm looking forward to hearing from users how they compare the two products, too. There is no clear winner, both products are very good in what they do.

What kind of computer are you using? Laptop, UMPC, or TabletPC? Keyboard, or touch-screen? What is your screen size? Do you need to print maps?
jaamsk
I also wrote Semsons to see if they had just not updated that product. Thanks for the quick response.
tcassidy
The problem with using S&T (newer than 2002) in Alberta is the Canadian maps are atrocious. Mobile PC with CNNA NT 2009 is a lot better but Garmin Metroguide Can v4 can't be beat.

On a laptop, Mobile PC has a better display. I think entering addresses in S&T is more user friendly though. Again, the Garmin maps are better but this might be fixed with a newer version of S&T (ie 2009).

On a UMPC, Garmin and iNav are neck and neck but the newer maps for Garmin wins. Still needs an on-screen keyboard though.

On a PDA, Garmin Que is good but Garmin Mobile XT is better. iNav is ok except for the maps.

On all the devices I have tried, Garmin Mobile PC or Mobile XT has the advantage of automatically finding my GPS. But then I am using a Garmin GPS.

Terry
lforbes
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
lforbes, I'm looking forward to hearing from users how they compare the two products, too. There is no clear winner, both products are very good in what they do.

What kind of computer are you using? Laptop, UMPC, or TabletPC? Keyboard, or touch-screen? What is your screen size? Do you need to print maps?
Marvin:

I'm currently using a PC with a 15" screen and mini-keyboard. No need to print maps. I find S&T pretty good with the possible exception of quirky address/place finding and the distinctly non-intuitive UI (although S&T Keys is a definite help). One thing that does bug me is the loss of satellite signal when the PC is brought up from hibernation (sometimes have to do a Windows restart to get it to work). If the Garmin product is better, I'd try it but I don't wish to buy it on spec just to see.
lforbes
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
The problem with using S&T (newer than 2002) in Alberta is the Canadian maps are atrocious. Mobile PC with CNNA NT 2009 is a lot better but Garmin Metroguide Can v4 can't be beat.

On a laptop, Mobile PC has a better display. I think entering addresses in S&T is more user friendly though. Again, the Garmin maps are better but this might be fixed with a newer version of S&T (ie 2009).
Terry, how do you mean the maps are better (than S&T) - more up to date or some other reason(s)? I don't find S&T (2008 maps) all that bad for Calgary and vacinity - there are certainly missing areas but the city is growing so rapidly I don't find that too surprising.

Laurie Forbes
tcassidy
Sorry, I only have 2007. S&T maps have been so bad, I've been ignoring them.
Terry
tcassidy
lforbes,
Your problem with loss of signal may be loss of power to the USB port on hibernation. See if there is an option to maintain USB power during Hibernation (maybe in the bios). I suspect this is a computer or os issue, so Garmin's product likely wouldn't make it better. I haven't had the opportunity to try GPS programs and hibernation on the UMPC though. I usually use Standby. I could set up a test late Sunday but I don't have a USB GPS unit so it may not help you.

I was going to try it on the laptop which does hibernate (Mobile PC finds the Bluetooth GPS within 30 seconds of a return from hibernation). However it has S&T v11 (2002?/ non GPS) and I don't wish to upgrade it.

I had given up S&T due to the poor Navteq maps with 2005, however the UMPC came with 2006 and a disk for 2007 (supposedly a UMPC-friendly version). I was less than impressed and thought I should miss a year or 2.

Terry
lforbes
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
lforbes,
Your problem with loss of signal may be loss of power to the USB port on hibernation. See if there is an option to maintain USB power during Hibernation (maybe in the bios). I suspect this is a computer or os issue, so Garmin's product likely wouldn't make it better. I haven't had the opportunity to try GPS programs and hibernation on the UMPC though. I usually use Standby. I could set up a test late Sunday but I don't have a USB GPS unit so it may not help you.Terry
Terry:

I've considered the loss of USB power but that is not the case. I should have also mentioned that sometimes only closing and relaunching S&T is all that's required. I've tried different USB ports for the receiver and other USB peripherals attached such as the mouse, keyboard and speakers don't seem to have an issue. It seems then that the problem lies with S&T or the receiver (which reminds me I should try it with SIRF and see if it has a similar problem). I too usually use Standby (during the day) and it works fine for me BTW.
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