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DeLorme Topo 8 on a touch screen
brollins
Does anyone out there have experience with DeLorme Topo 8 (not Street Atlas) on a touchscreen? I'm specifically interested in whether all the functions (including Draw) are available and whether it works with an onscreen keyboard.
Thanks for your experience.
tcassidy
I have a HP touch screen laptop and Topo 8. I'll set it up and test for you later.

Terry
tcassidy
I did a quick test (not including the extremely slow install) on my HP tx2000 running Win7 32 bit. The screen on this computer is 1280x800 and uses Wacom touch technology. I have a Win7 32 bit Fujitsu tablet with n-trig but probably won't try it on that.

Even with the very small buttons in the draw tab, I had no trouble selecting them. I selected to add a road which needs a name. Touching the blank brought up the keyboard icon which means it knows I want to type there.

What else do you need to know?

Terry
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tcassidy
Had to take a break for dinner!

Here is the road I created and named using only my finger!! Sloppy, I'll admit but it seems to work fine.

Terry
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brollins
tcassidy thanks alot. There are 2 other functions I'd really like to know about.

- the measurement tool. click on the ruler on the top bar, draw a line on the map and see if it gives you the length of the line.

- in the draw menu, create a waypoint. when it prompts for a name, does it bring up the onscreen keyboard?
tcassidy
Turning off Nav mode gave me a lot more screen to work with. I forgot!!

The measurement tool works fine with a finger. You just need to hesitate a moment before changing direction and each section will display its length.

The waypoint tool is finger aware and brings up the OSK icon as soon as you touch the waypoint name area. You might need to backspace over the existing...or it could just be my clumsy finger placement.

BTW, this laptop is an older AMD Turion TL-64 giving a CPU Windows experience index of 4.8 (for the CPU). This is better than my Q550 but could probably be beaten by the Asus EP-121. I really liked the power of that tablet but hated the fingerprint magnet heavy glare screen; probably a common problem these days.

Terry
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tcassidy
After reading your other post, I made some changes for distance drawing that may be more in line with your usage. Several things I find difficult if you need individual leg lengths;

Drawing a straight line is only possible if you touch the start then the end point. Unforunately you need to touch the end twice to terminate and give leg length. Dead easy with a mouse but tricky with a finger!

To start a new measurement where the old one ended, you must touch the same spot as the end of the previous section.

To delete a line, you need to turn off the measurement tool, right click (hold finger on line until the right click circle appears) and then choose Delete Measurement from the drop down.

Basically, these things can be done without a mouse but they may be frustrating as they are just translations. A stylus would probably help a lot, especially if it has a right-click button!

Terry
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brollins
Oh, that is excellent. Thanks very much. The multi-segment measurement is not a critical issue and I'm more likely to use this with a stylus than just a finger.

This certainly justifies looking into a suitable touch screen tablet. And the specs on yours has given me a place to start.

- Bob Rollins
SpadesFlush
From the way you describe what you are trying to achieve, my preference would be to go with a Win 7 (not Android or Apple) tablet-type computer such as this: Dynamism - Gigabyte S1081.

I have a now-oldish Lenovo X60 laptop which allows you to swivel the screen around and flatten it onto the main body of the laptop so that it really has the best of both worlds, a flatpanel touch screen (with OTC) or a keyboard. Their current line of convertible laptops are here Professional-grade Laptop PC's | ThinkPad X Series Convertible Tablet | Lenovo | US.

Unlike the toy-like IPads, these devices tend to have multiple memory slots, USB and coms ports which I think you will need although they tend to be a bit heavier. And, of course, they run Win 7 so they can be used with your DeLorme and other mainstream software.
tcassidy
With crappy weather this morning, I had time to install Topo 8 on my Fujitsu q550 tablet. First thing I learned was the HP DVD reader needs cleaning. This install went a lot faster using an external reader and the disc wasn't thrashing as in the previous install.

I did a quick measurement test using a stylus and it was very easy. There might be a little delay with this tablet but I didn't notice it causing any major problems although the CPU WEI for this device is only 2.2.

The advantages of this tablet over the ASUS EP121 are;

smaller size (10' rather than 12" screen)
Non glare screen better in sunlight and doesn't show fingerprints as much
Good battery life plus interchangeable battery

As this tablet can handle Topo 8, you might consider the Acer W500. The screen isn't as good and it can't do handwriting but it is the least expensive Win 7 tablet I know at the moment. As far as I can tell, its CPU is a little more powerful at 2.7.

Terry
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tcassidy
Besides not wanting to deal with Dynamism (in Canada), I'd take the Fujitsu over that Gigabyte s1081. I can't see where it has any advantages. The Lenovo x220's look good though but in that price range, I'd consider the Samsung Series 7 or 9 slates!

Terry
Ken in Regina
I assume Terry is talking about the Acer Iconia W500. I was playing with one in Future Shop this morning and was pleasantly impressed. It was very responsive. I'm sure the 32GB SSD drive is responsible for some of that.

For comparison, DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2010 runs fine on my old Acer 8.9" netbook. The W500 is way more responsive than my old netbook.

The touch capabilities are well thought out. The onscreen keyboard works well and is easy to launch whenever you need it. I like that you can tap and hold on any object and get the right-click (context) menu.

And the keyboard/dock means you can turn it into a laptop any time you want. If the 32GB SSD isn't enough disk space just supplement with SD cards or USB sticks as necessary.

If I didn't already have a nice 10" tablet (HP Touchpad) I would have bought it. ...... So I bought an ASUS 1225B notebook instead.

...ken...
tcassidy
I'm glad to hear it is still available. I saw the W500 quite a while ago in Staples and thought it was a pretty good Win 7 slate for the price. Unfortunately with no handwriting capability, I passed it up for the Asus EP121 and later, the Fujitsu q550. I still haven't figured that requirement out seeing how rarely I use it!

Terry
wvcamper2006
I'm new to tablets with GPS. I'm a long time Delorme Topo user.

When you load Topo on a Windows 7 or 8 tablet with a built in GPS, is it easy to get the Delorme software to find the built in GPS and utilize it?

Thanks for any help you can give me.
tcassidy
None of the recent Windows tablets I have or have seen have built in GPS per se. Usually that function is part of a cellular card which may be an extra option on some devices.

Delorme products require that the GPS signal be available on a COM port. While that doesn't seem to be a direct offering of cellular chips with GPS, I understand it can be made available through the use of software.

Terry
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