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Navigation freezes at each stop in Streets & Trips
ron4adams
I hope one of you experts is monitoring this site and can give me some help. I am on the road, and my 2010 S&T is sick. When I load my map the navigation begins normally and follows my pre-planned map flawlessly. However, at each stop, it seems to "freeze" at that stop. The locator is still active, but stays at that stop after I begin driving. The round red circle even changes to the red triangle and changes its orientation as my vehicle changes directions. However the red triangle never moves from the location. I have tried closing the map, restarting S&T, and loading the map again. It navigates properly until the next stop, and then the problem begins again.

I went on-line, observed that I can download a free trial of 2011 S&T. I thought that would get me through my trip. However, each time I try to download the trial, the download is "interrupted", whatever that means.

Can anyone offer some suggestions?
tcassidy
It sounds like your computer is being overwhelmed by the work required. Have you tried breaking up the trip into smaller portions?

Terry
SpadesFlush
I think Terry is correct, which he usually is.

As I recall, Ron, you seemed to have a preference for large route files, that is lots of stops and/or pushpins. If you are running a GPS trail as well, that could be adding to your woes.

I had similar problems a few years ago when I drove from New York to San Francisco via Canada (north of the Great Lakes). Towards the end, I had to have a file for each of the single days because the overall route file just bogged down. I had a lot of GPS trail in it.

I would be almost certain that the 2011 version of S&T will not do anything to aleviate your problems, so downloading that is just a waste of time. Furthermore, once you have converted a route file from 2011 to 2012, you will not be able to go back and run that on 2011.
ron4adams
Thank you for your considerations of my problems I was experiencing while navigating with S&T. I ended discovering a minimal use, which turns out to be quite satisfactory for now. Using a "new" map, no stops entered, and the navigation active the display monitors my progress along my preplanned trip. Since my wife prefers using our hand held GPS unit, I enjoy having an easy access to my movement along the road maps, while getting the turn-by-turn instructions from the GPS.

Now that I am home I am discovering my netbook freezing up and acting strangly, and am beginning to suspect that S&T was not the problem, but the hard drive of my ASUS. Maybe all of the heat of operating in the sun on the dash fried the operating system. If problems continue I may have to replace the netbook. Do any of you have experience using a table with gps capability for navigation? I was considering getting an e-reader anyway, so maybe I could get a dual purpose device? Any thoughts?

Ron
Ken in Regina
Malaki86 and I are running ALK Copilot on our Android phones. The Canadian maps seem to be pretty good. I think Malaki86 said the US maps are also okay.

So you could get an Android tablet and put Copilot on it. There are a ton of e-reader apps for Android. I'm using one that lets me add my own ebooks as well as using online book stores.

I suggest Copilot because you load the maps onto the tablet or phone once and can use them without a data connection. Most of the navigation apps require a data connection so they can load only the required segments as you drive through them. That gets costly. Copilot means you can use a tablet that has wifi but no cellular data capability.

Of course (just to keep this on topic) you could get a Windows tablet and run Streets & Trips on it. But where would be the challenge in that?

...ken...
tcassidy
Running Streets & Trips on anything that is touch-centric is all the challenge anyone could want!!

Terry
SpadesFlush
Really, Terry? I don't have a problem with it on my Viliv UMPC...
tcassidy
S&T was written for a mouse and I find it doesn't hold up to a touch screen like Mobile PC, iGuidance or CoPilot. I keep hoping it will in the next iteration considering where most of the others have gone.

That you could use it, not only with touch but especially with a small screen has always impressed me. But it is not something I wish to try to emulate.

Terry
ron4adams
I am not sure what is meant by "no cellular data capability". Would this only give me a digital copy of a paper road atlas? I guess the minimum I would like is an "active" image of the roads I am driving on and an "indicator" of where I am on that road. It sounds like that is not what copilot can give me without subscribing to copilot live. Is this accurate?
tcassidy
It means you needn't be connected to the cell network (and paying data minutes). CoPilot maps are on the device so you will see a representation of the local roads, your position and a route if you have entered one. I've included a quick screenshot from Windows assuming it will look similar on an Android device.

Terry
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ron4adams
This looks like something I would like using, if I have to replace my netbook and decide to go with an Android Tablet. Thanks for the advice.
Ken in Regina
Hi Ron,

What Terry said. Copilot is a nice app for traveling with. It's not as capable as Streets & Trips for longer complicated trip planning.

Just for a bit of background, most of the navigation applications on Apple and Android smartphones and tablets do not store the maps on the device. They require you to have a live data connection, either wifi or cellular data, so that they can download map segments as they need them. Then they toss them as soon as you move to another area.

Since it is not realistic to use wifi when you are driving down the road, that means you pretty much need a cellular data connection. That gets costly in a couple of ways.

First, buying a tablet that has 3G/4G cellular connection capability is more expensive than the more common tablets with just wifi capability (for use around your house or in hotels or coffee shops or RV parks where free/open wifi connections are commonly available).

Second, the data usage can get costly. Most people who want to use the realtime navigation capabilities will usually have an unlimited data plan from their cellular service provider. Those are not cheap. And it's even more costly if you have a limited plan and start going over the prepaid data minutes.

ALK Copilot is currently the only navigation application that I'm aware of for both Apple and Android that lets you load and store the maps onto the device instead of having to constantly download map data on the fly as you travel. Garmin has an app for Apple but not one for Android yet.

I hope that helps.

...ken...
ron4adams
That was very helpful Ken, but being kind of dense I still have a specific question about Copilot. If I do not want nor need turn-by-turn navigation, simply a digital representation of the old paper map, would this be what Copilot without cellular service could provide? For example, would I be able to observe my present location, as I approach the intersection of street A and avenue B in City X?
Ken in Regina
Yes. Just imagine a Garmin Nuvi or TomTom navigation device tucked into your netbook or tablet or smartphone. It has all the same feature set as a top of the line personal navigation device.

Just like a good personal navigation device (PND), which features you choose to use is entirely up to you.

Or you could think of it like Streets&Trips but without some of the more complex trip planning features. Those features are more basic, like in a good PND.

...ken...
tcassidy
Here is a 2D representation of Ladysmith using CoPilot on a Windows computer. The red stop sign is the GPS position (because it is not moving). I will assume it is similar on Android. A 3D display is available as well as can be seen from my previous post.

Terry
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