Review: Microsoft Streets and Trips 2011
Marvin Hlavac
Thanks for looking into it, and letting us know, Suresh. Hopefully Streets and Trips 2012 will correct this.
My Point...Exactly
I usually used the "backup" arrow frequently and found it handy but it looks like that is gone. Is there something that I don't know here?
Hi thezafts -

The back and forward arrow buttons were removed after 2008. In current version - from the menu bar choose 'back' and 'forward'. Quickest method is to use shortcuts - Alt +left arrow for back, ALT + right arrow for forward.
Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
...or, alternatively, enable your GPS tracking features in Streets & Trips first, then find/add a desired destination, and simply hit the F3-key. Microsoft added the F3-key to the program for a quick and easy (re)calculation of a route from your current GPS location.
Learn something new about S&T all the time from this site.

That's the reason I joined. Just downloaded the 60 trial of S&T 2011.
New poster here... and a new user of S&T. Problems.

I've just started a new job as a home inspector that takes me to about 200 homes each month in a 20,000 square mile area in Wyoming. Many of these homes are in newer subdivisions or out in the sticks, and I have a major problem with S&T finding these addresses and finding them correctly. I understand that it's a mapping problem.

On a typical day I'll enter 15 or 20 addresses into S&T (on my laptop) and use the routing function to get me to them in the most efficient order. I only have the street addresses and don't have ready access to any other method of locating them such as latitude/longitude coordinates.

Does anyone have any suggestions that could help me?

I sometimes use Mapquest to locate them, but I don't have internet access when I'm out in the field. Of course, I could spring for a few bucks and get it. I could get a GPS too. Or secondary mapping software. It's just a major pain in the patoot when I get 150 miles from home and discover that S&T has taken me on a wild goose chase. This sometimes results in an extra 300-mile trip to locate the property on another day, and I don't get reimbursed for mileage!

These are not rare occurrences. It happens with 10%-15% of my addresses.

I'm just wondering. Are there other mapping programs that would work better? Would GPS units work better? If so, are some better than others at finding new/remote addresses?

Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions.
No mapping software is up to date enough to locate new housing developments. I know Garmin offers quarterly updates for their products but they still run well behind reality. If you can find the address in MapQuest, why not pull the longitude and latitude from that and plug it into S&T before you leave the comfort of your internet connected location.

Uhh, cuz I didn't know I could? *LOL* Thanks much for the tip!

Of course I don't normally use Mapquest until I discover that there's a problem with the address in S&T when I'm in the field. I could double check each address before I leave home, but that would be pretty time-consuming too.

I was also wondering if there are various mapping programs that use different sources for their maps. If so, maybe a second mapping program would be helpful.

I'm pretty stupid when it comes to this stuff. I've just never had much use for it. I got one of the early GPS units that had maps on it, but my wife didn't like me reading it instead of watching the road. I sold it to save the marriage.
Pretty well all the mapping programs use the same NavTeq data. Some are updated more often than others but the source is the same.

A good modern Garmin GPS doesn't require you to read it though. You can enter the addresses before you leave, have it sort them for best order and it will determine a route and speak the necessary turns as you drive. Just like S&T but you can actually hear it! If you do consider that, get a model that has at least an 'M" prefix as map updates are included, such as the 2350LMT. However, for seeing where you are on a big screen, you can't beat a laptop and a mapping program such as S&T.

Can one import data to a Garmin GPS as is possible with S&T? That's one of the nice things about using S&T for me, because I can simply log onto my company's website, and it'll automatically create an address file that I can import into S&T, so I don't have to type out the addresses. However, if a Garmin would be more up-to-date with its addresses and be more accurate, I wouldn't mind....

Any idea how these mapping apps for the cell phones work? I had one on mine when I first bought it a couple years ago but never used it (mapping function) so had it removed. I think it was an extra $10/mo. over my current rate.

Incidentally, I'm not so sure you can enter coordinates into S&T. I was just comparing its features to those of Street Atlas, and it said Street Atlas would allow input of coordinates but S&T wouldn't. Unfortunately, SA isn't compatible with Windows 7, which of course is what I use.
Oops... looks like SA is now compatible with Windows 7.

I wonder if having that on my computer as a backup would help -- updated map information at different times throughout the year?
Tools - Find ( or CTRL+F) and pick the Lat/Long tab. Make sure the coordinate format of the source (MapQuest) and the destination (S&T) is the same. S&T will only accept decimal degrees or degrees/minutes/seconds settable from Tool - Options - Setting tab.

I don't know anything about cell phone mapping but would assume you could only select one address. Paying monthly to access mapping data that you don't know is any more accurate than what you have seems over the top to me.

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As a rule SA (using their own data source) is more problematic than S&T. Also, it requires a moderately steep learning curve and is very different from S&T in use.

If you have an iPad with a GPS built-in (what is called the 3G model, not the WiFi only model) you could try Navfree at the link below.

Navmii/Navfree Latest Satellite Navigation Software for iPhone, iPad and Android

You have to have a data connection to search for addresses so you would have to do it before you left the office unless you have a data plan on your iPad or you visit a place with free wifi while out and about such as Macdonalds. Create Favorites for each address when (if?) you find it.

You can download maps for the whole USA or just the state or states you are interested in.

Navfree doesn't have the ability to import addresses or to create multipoint itineraries.

If you're at A it can navigate to B.

It's supposed to be able navigate from B to C while you're at A but I've never worked out how to do it.

The reason I suggested it is because it uses Open Street Map maps which are created by "men in the street" (Political Correctness forces me to say "and women" but I bet it's mostly men who create the maps) as and when new roads are built. They are available overnight on the OSM website and every month or so from Navfree.

There is also PC Navigator Free which runs on a PC. It also uses OSM maps. It is a teeny bit complex to set up. It also updates its maps every month or so.

Navigator Free | mapFactor, s.r.o.

If you want to use the OSM maps directly you can do this using Garmin nRoute on your PC. To get this to work is also complex as you have to install Garmin Training Center and then Mapsource before you can install nRoute. More detailed instructions on how to find and install these apps are available on this website or PM me if you can't work it out.

nRoute is a bugger to use. No where near as friendly as Streets and Trips. Again read this site or PM me for assistance. Search for my name and nRoute for info on how to click and drag a route to multiple via points.

You can go to the OSM web site to get the maps for the area you are interested in. As I recall it's a bit complex.


Or you can go to the website below and specify the area you want and after a day or so they will email you a link to a download that has the map areas you have requested.

Free worldwide routable Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap

As I recall, it comes in a nice neat executable package that is relatively easy to get into Mapsource and once it's in Mapsource you can see it in nRoute.

As much as I dislike the Apple way of doing things, ie lock everything up so tight you can't do anything that they don't want you to, it certainly makes it easy to set things up compared to the other options.

However, nRoute is fully featured mapping software so it's the best one to use. The others are really just toys. They will get you from your current location to a specified point. Only nRoute will let you set up a multi via point route.
I travel quite a bit and have to find a lot of addresses not yet in Streets. Nowhere near 200 a month.
I use both MapSource and S&Trips on my computer. By using both of them I can locate at least the approximate location. By making a "waypoint" in MapSource and naming it the address you're looking for, you can then download it to your GPS by the "Send to" menu. Does require more work, but it won't send you 3 hundred miles out of your way.
Hope this helps.
Mike Flannigan
Ken in Regina

If you decide to acquire a Garmin Nuvi be very very careful in your selection. Not long ago Garmin introduced their "Trip Planner" to the Nuvi. It does not work the same way routing does in S&T. Or the way it used to work in Garmin's Nuvi models released before the change.

Trip Planner will not create a single multi-point route for you. It will take multiple locations and chop the whole mess up into individual pieces. Each piece will take you to the "next" location. But you have to start it manually when you reach the "previous" location.

So if you get to the point of considering a Garmin Nuvi personal navigation device, be aware that some Nuvi models do "Multipoint Routing", some do "Trip Planning", some will only take you to one destination at a time. And some will not allow the downloading of routes to them. On those, you must select/enter the [single] destination directly on the device.

For something like your use, where you need multipoint, optimized routing, selecting a Garmin Nuvi model is not a straightforward process, to say the least.

A couple of follow up points:

* Navfree works on iPhones and Android phones as well as iPads. I see in your post that you have a smartphone that you used to have pay mapping on. If it's an iPhone or uses the Android operating system you should be able to install Navfree. Once you've downloaded it you don't need an Internet connection for it to work though you do to search for locations.

You can use the built-in link to Google Search and hence Google Maps, which may have better mapping, to find an address or you can enter a lat/lon. It will display the location on the map and you can then select Route Here or Options, Add to Favorites. Even if there isn't a road shown at the location out in the boondocks (or "beyond the black stump" or "the back of beyond" in Aussie slang) it should get you close enough that you can ask a local for fine detail directions.

Black Stump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Outback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* If you can't find an address and as you said you don't know how to find the lat/lon you can use the web site listed on my previous posting to convert an address to a lat/lon. You could then use the lat/lon in your satnav software of choice to see where the closest marked roads are.

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