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Review: Microsoft Streets and Trips 2011
KRASH
The point is, you can't have an "average" with out a number. They ask you if you drive slower or faster than average, but with out a number, you don't really know what "average" is.
And the really stupid thing, is that the program knows... Buried in all that code "are" numbers for average. With out them the system could not calculate the drive time.
The problem is that people just keep buying what ever junk they produce, and then spend their time on these sites trying to work around, what should work out of the box.
I still use S&T 2002, just because it was the last one to list post offices.
Marvin Hlavac
It's not easy to put a number on it though. The same road class in one Canadian province may have a speed limit of 100 milometers per hour, and average of 95km/h. Another Canadian province may have a lower speed limit, and lower average for the very same road class. In the USA, the speed limit, and the associated average speed may also vary from state to state.

But I don't have inside knowledge of how this feature is implemented, so I'm just guessing.

P.S. I simply keep all the sliders at their minimum settings (-15% of the average speed). That gives me the best results.
KRASH
Well in my 2004 it's easy, you just set the speeds you actually drive. I suspect, as in most things, the idea was implemented buy some one that probably doesn't drive. Or do much math )
KRASH
BTW I know the "work around". It just constantly bugs me that I have to. I mean I've been on these things for nearly 30 years, and they just keep sloggin through one bad idea to the next.
I've always thought it would be nice to take a decent idea, and just keep improving it..
Any way, I know most roads in the US by heart now, so I'll stick with my 2004 until some one at MS wakes up.
tcassidy
You must have the 'patience on Job'. Waiting 8 years for a minor feature to reappear. Good luck in your quest.

Terry
KRASH
If I had patience, I wouldn't be on this site )
I just don't tolerate programs that don't work.

Since 2004 I have tossed out S&T 2003,5,6,and now 2008.
2008 went in the trash because it will not recognize the GPS unite it shipped with, and I am not about to waste my time fixing MS's bad programming, I have much better things to do.

I NEVER buy the latest and greatest, because you are paying top dollar for the bugs that you hoped were fixed. Buying things a year or 2 back lets you see what may or may not have worked, and at a price cheap enough that the trash can is an easy choice )
I rant on these sights so that if they are actually listening, some thing some day might improve.
Ken in Regina
Hi Wally,

Streets & Trips has no concept of "Home" or "Here". So when you set up a route you always have to tell it where to start.

The advantage of that is that if you want to plan a route between any two arbitrary points it's way simpler than trying to fake out your navigation device to use a different starting point than "here".

The disadvantage is that when you just want to pick a destination and get a quick route to get there from "here" you have to tell Streets & Trips where to start.

Streets&Trips started life as a trip planning program and that's still the predominant use. Garmin's Mapsource and Basecamp programs are the same, e.g. they have no concept of "here".

You can create a pushpin for "Home" quite easily in Streets&Trips if that's useful. Just search the Help file for how to create pushpins. You will find that Streets&Trips has an extensive and very useful help file.

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
Quote:
when you just want to pick a destination and get a quick route to get there from "here" you have to tell Streets & Trips where to start.
...or, alternatively, enable your GPS tracking features in Streets & Trips first, then find/add a desired destination, and simply hit the F3-key. Microsoft added the F3-key to the program for a quick and easy (re)calculation of a route from your current GPS location.
Ken in Regina
Neat trick!! Thanks Marvin.

...ken...
deckie49
Another non-upgrade... Very disappointing, not to mention irritating since S&T seems to be the main program available to the average person. It really makes me wonder if MS even cares about the product or it's customers.
Marvin Hlavac
Hi Deckie,

Welcome to the forum.

I bet that after reading at least a few of the hundreds of posts that have been posted here in the forum by Larry and Gladwin, both MS employees, you would no longer "wonder if MS even cares about the product or it's customers". Thanks to both, Larry & Gladwin, numerous new features have been implemented into new versions of the product in the past years. Unfortunately, these past couple of years have been tough on many business sectors, and even other competing products released only as map data updates, with no new features. Let's hope Streets & Trips 2012 will again start bringing users some exciting new features (not just new map data, even though map data seems to be always the #1 requested feature in all mapping products).
deckie49
No, I haven't read all the posts, and perhaps I come across as a naysayer. I'm not, really. I'm sure Larry and Gladwin are good people and work hard to support us. I also think S&T is the best program of its kind.

That said, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a few more meaningful improvements than what we've been getting these past few years. But, that's just mho.
RsH
Frankly, at this point, I have lost track of what improvements are still needed. I would love to have the abillity to use 'via' points in a route, where NO stop is stuck in, but beyond that I have nothing I need added other than updates to both the POI content and the roads themselves.

Nice to have would be icons for missing things such as National Parks and sites that are NOT currently shown, such as the William Johnson House in Natchez, Mississippi and The President Clinton Home in Hope, Arkansas, and for churches and synagogues and religious buildings for other religions if we choose to add them to the maps... Right now that is missing totally.

I know some would also like to see that the speed indicator setting actually show a value. Perhaps +5%, -5% and so on rather than actual MPH or KPH speeds as the speed limits change all the time, but the over and under percentages do not.

I would also like to see web sites added to the various POI that are included, to simplify research for travelers, but that is a major space waster for others.

So what is it that the various users still want to see added?
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by RsH
So what is it that the various users still want to see added?
I think the majority of these still apply: http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/wish-list

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
If I could vote for just one, I'd vote for the Calendar instead of the Day 1, Day 2, Day 3 suggested feature. I personally would likely never use it, but I know this feature has been requested by many, and a trip planning software should really have it.
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