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Streets & Trips 2013... Another disappointment
DanTheDriver
I am really wondering if MS design teams actually read forums and what their customer base is asking for. Again, for me anyways, 2013 is just another disappointment. I agree that the mapping and response of 2013 is much improved, but other then that...BOO!

Making a color change, for the worse I thought, of the menu, and a few little tweaks here and there does not make a better GPS upgrade. MS should be just calling it a map update if this is all they are willing to do.

Streets and Trips has such potential, as I have said before, being a computer based GPS. There could be such a powerful program with this if they would spend some time and energy on it. My guess is that the customer base is just not large enough to do that. The revenue from S&T must not be that big.

If MS would open up the software so that 3rd party developers could enhance it, who knows what could happen.

I spent $1500 on a new laptop with anti-glare, touch screen as well as a SSD drive in anticipation of using a new and improved 2013 S&T on it. If clients are willing to invest, then MS should also invest in their customer base.

Well I for one may just be going back to a dedicated GPS if this is all I will see from MS. Very disappointed indeed.
Marvin Hlavac
Dan, what would be the one single most important improvement you would like to see in the software? For me, I think a very large number of users would benefit from a calendar implementation, something that would substitute the current Day 1, Day 2, Day 3 with actual date. I'm surprised this has not been added to the application. It has been suggested several times in the past.

Here was one such topic: Show date in Microsoft Streets and Trips, instead of just Day 1, Day 2, Day 3

What I like about the new ST2013? Beside the maps, I very much enjoy not seeing the nagging Safety Warning dialog box every time I enable navigation. It appears that we need to place a check-mark only once to the dialog box, click OK, and we will likely never ever see it ever again.

After opting out of seeing the Safety Warning once, I restarted the program, restarted the laptop, plugged GPS into a different USB port, started the PC the next day, etc, but no matter what I've done it never brought the warning screen back, LOL.

I bet it must have taken the S&T team a lot of effort to persuade the MS legal department to let them do this modification. I hope they will not regret it :-)
bobged
I am really disappointed not see the lane assist feature in this version. Just about every other vehicle GPS device has it. This possibly could have been discussed before with a reason why it couldn't be done with S&T, if so I missed it.
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by DanTheDriver
I am really wondering if MS design teams actually read forums and what their customer base is asking for.
I'm sure some of them do. But they also completely ignore everything they read. They feel they know better than the users, and S&T is not a high priority product. Most people just use a standalone GPS (getting cheaper all the time), or Google maps on their phone. As long as S&T Nav capability is such a POS, it will stay that way. It's a vicious cycle.

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Originally Posted by bobged
I am really disappointed not see the lane assist feature in this version. Just about every other vehicle GPS device has it. This possibly could have been discussed before with a reason why it couldn't be done with S&T, if so I missed it.
I agree. And the lane assist should be in a resizable, movable pane, like all the panes, something like this:



http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4755-ability-rearrange-resize-all-panes
bobged
I was thinking of something like this but of course without all the graphics:
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DanTheDriver
Yes lane assist would be great. I am also enjoying the "Like real picture" that Garmin and others are using.

Date and times are another fix needed. I would also love to see time zone recognition. For me that is a big one as I can jump zones 2 or 3 times in a day.

Live traffic would be nice also.
SteveJonesMO
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Originally Posted by DanTheDriver
I would also love to see time zone recognition. For me that is a big one as I can jump zones 2 or 3 times in a day.
Has OnTimeZone.com been of any use to you? It's Streets & Trips page explains the various ways to use the data in S&T.
t923347
Neither of the S&T files on the OnTimeZone.com download page will open in S&T 2013. The file format is incompatible. Haven't tried the gpx file yet.
taoyue
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Originally Posted by DanTheDriver
Streets and Trips has such potential, as I have said before, being a computer based GPS. There could be such a powerful program with this if they would spend some time and energy on it. My guess is that the customer base is just not large enough to do that. The revenue from S&T must not be that big.
My impression is that:
  • The team focuses primarily on Bing Maps.
  • A few people work on desktop Mappoint as a sideline.
  • Streets & Trips is a hobby.
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Originally Posted by DanTheDriver
I spent $1500 on a new laptop with anti-glare, touch screen as well as a SSD drive in anticipation of using a new and improved 2013 S&T on it. If clients are willing to invest, then MS should also invest in their customer base.
A $1500 laptop delivers around $300 profit to the manufacturer. S&T 2013 retails for $40, which means that Microsoft might walk away with $10 after subtracting out all the direct costs and allocating R&D.

Sometimes, the economics just don't work out. When you consider that iGuidance has given up, you get some idea of just how little money there is. The online mapping websites and the ubiquity of standalone GPS units have simply cut the legs off the retail mapping software market.
SteveJonesMO
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Originally Posted by t923347
Neither of the S&T files on the OnTimeZone.com download page will open in S&T 2013. The file format is incompatible.
Well that just sucks. Thanks for the heads-up. v2007 files worked fine up until v2011, I guess they don't with 2013.

If anyone has both v2013 installed along with older versions, it would be helpful to learn how far back the backwards compatibility goes.

v2007 No
v2008 ?
v2009 ?
v2010 Yes
v2011 Presumably

In the meantime, I'd be grateful if you could go back to the OnTimeZone.com download page which I just updated to include v2010 files, and let me know if those open in v2013 [edit: thanks bobged for confirming v2010 files loaded ok on v2013]

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Originally Posted by t923347
Haven't tried the gpx file yet.
Unless something has gone very wrong with v2013, the gpx file should work fine. It theoretically is not sensitive to versions, so long as it's v2010 and above, which is when the gpx import function first appeared.
bobged
I was able to open all of the following files from OnTimeZone.com in S&T 2013 with no problems, other than the warning that they were created with a previous version:

S&T map (.ext)** (v2010.......)
S&T template (.stt)** (v2010....)
Zipped S&T GPX import Format (zip)*** (for v2010 and above)
SteveJonesMO
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Originally Posted by bobged
I was able to open all of the following files from OnTimeZone.com in S&T 2013 with no problems, other than the warning that they were created with a previous version:

S&T map (.ext)** (v2010.......)
S&T template (.stt)** (v2010....)
Zipped S&T GPX import Format (zip)*** (for v2010 and above)
Thanks for the quick check.
t923347
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Originally Posted by t923347
Neither of the S&T files on the OnTimeZone.com download page will open in S&T 2013. The file format is incompatible. Haven't tried the gpx file yet.
I can confirm that all the updated S&T files now open fine in S&T 2013
gunnermac
Is there any way to change that god awful black and white nav bar color scheme?
joshuals
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Originally Posted by DanTheDriver
Yes lane assist would be great. I am also enjoying the "Like real picture" that Garmin and others are using.

Date and times are another fix needed. I would also love to see time zone recognition. For me that is a big one as I can jump zones 2 or 3 times in a day.

Live traffic would be nice also.
I too would like to see a provision for time zone correction.

When I'm travelling easterly bound, I simply insert a dummy "stop" of one-hour duration at the point where I cross a time zone, thereby correcting the time for the rest of that day.

But westerly bound, I haven't found a way to do this because you cannot enter a "stop" of a negative one hour. So far, I've just learned to live with the fact that all times subsequent to crossing the time zone will be "off" by one hour for that day.

Doesn't seem that it would be too difficult to code a correction into the program to take care of this. Of course there would have to be consideration given for certain states/provinces that don't observe daylight saving time.....like Arizona and Saskatchewan.
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