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Is 150,000 miles of new roads in Streets & Trips 2013 just a marketing hype?
BrianFL
I see these claims on every new version. I had version 2002 which I never used and now have 2011 which I compared with 2002 and have now used on 3 trips and well over 6k miles. I didn’t find any difference between the maps on 2002 and 2011 (just playing with places I knew while at home) although I’m sure there are changes, but I can say having done some pretty off the path driving through the Blue Ridge mountains a couple months ago and more recently in the middle of nowhere on logging roads in GA my GPS was always accurate and even tiny roads in the mountains were all there. I never lost contact and never got lost, and there has never been a bit of lag on my laptop with the supplied GPS receiver which also starts up in seconds. I have yet to not find a road I need.

150k miles new didn’t sound right to me, wonder how accurate it is considering this? The link would indicate more like 10-15k miles new roads with added lanes accounting for perhaps a doubling of that. To me it sounds more like marketing hype to make you think you’ll be missing out on roads.
http://www.artba.org/about/faqs-transportation-general-public/faqs/#9
Marvin Hlavac
A short quote from the page Brian linked to in his above post:

Quote:
How many miles of roads are there in the U.S.?

Currently, there are 4.05 million miles of road in the United States, according to the Federal Highway Administration, including Alaska and Hawaii, but not Puerto Rico.
In addition to USA (incl. Hawaii and Alaska), S&T includes roads for Canada and Mexico (and let's don't forget Puerto Rico, which was excluded from the statistics at the above linked page, as well as all three U.S. Virgin islands).

My guess is that Microsoft may get the number of miles from Navteq, the map data provider.

I think the 150,000 miles of new roads doesn't seem like an unreasonably high number considering it includes roads from all of USA, Canada, and Mexico.

Each year I compare versions, and each year I am able to find at least some new roads. But there is always some construction going on in my area.
Ken in Regina
That seems like a rather conservative number, really. If you think of just the new subdivisions that have been mapped in the relevant time period, that alone could make up the bulk of them.

Most people won't notice these rather huge changes unless they drive around on roads before they are mapped as well as after. If you only drive on roads that were already mapped, how would you ever see the new stuff???

...ken...
SpadesFlush
I wonder what percentage increase that represents...
BrianFL
This is the quote I was looking at:

Quote:
Between 1999 and 2009, the U.S. built an average of 13,300 center-line miles of new roads per year. This, along with widening of existing roads, added 39,900 lane-miles per year. This means the capacity of the highway system grew less than five-tenths of one percent per year. Almost 90 percent of the new road capacity added during that time represented local roads to develop new residential neighborhoods, not additional capacity to the arterials and expressways that carry most highway traffic.

That stops at 2009 so there could be some upturn to that because of the federal stimulus money. I didn't look up Canada or Mexico, but my GUESS is the numbers are including every little change on a map as new road. Some other sites I saw had much lower numbers for new roads but the one in my link appears quite thorough. Another very thorough study shows 131k miles having been built between 1985-2005 but it did not break down if it was major highway or ALL paved roads as the above includes.

This got my curiosity up and I found some incredible studies about our infrastructure if one is interested in such boring subjects, very eye opening reports here.
http://www.bafuture.com/sites/default/files/Report_0.pdf

Some of the quoted numbers are in a report that can be downloaded here. On the right is a 9mb pdf download.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/reports/2008/06/transportation-puentes
Marvin Hlavac
Navigable map data today still doesn't include the entire road network. Many existing roads have still not been mapped. It is possible that mapping companies are adding more miles or kilometers of roads yearly than construction companies do.
BrianFL
Hadn’t considered that Marvin, very well may be. That many miles year after year wasn’t making sense to me. Possibly more so in Canada and Mexico than the U.S. because of the remoteness.
Ken in Regina
The quoted numbers still seem to miss my point. I'm suggesting that much of the advertised new "road" distance is in subdivisions, which are not part of the arterial infrastructure the quoted studies refer to. That is where most of the growth has been for the past decade or two, not in the arterial system.

I don't know what the ratio would be but it seems reasonable that you only need a very few miles of arterial to service many miles of subdivision roads. Especially the way subdivisions have been developed the past two or three decades.

On a map, it's all "roads". And as Marvin said, the map data providers are always in catch-up mode.

...ken...
SpadesFlush
Quote:
...I'm suggesting that much of the advertised new "road" distance is in subdivisions...
and/or shopping mall parking lots...
coover
150,000 miles added with a total of 4,050,000 miles is slightly more than 3.8% (150000/3900000). Only 4 million miles of roads in the US? Seems low to me.
GoneNomad
This is not really related to new roads. But since Larry said they had expended a lot of effort updating their addresses databases, I would like to test that.

So I would appreciate it if anyone who has S&T2013 would check to see where it has the Burger King on Telegraph Rd. in 63129 ZIP code.

Thanks!
SteveJonesMO
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
I would appreciate it if anyone who has S&T2013 would check to see where it has the Burger King on Telegraph Rd. in 63129 ZIP code.
Got one at 5401 Telegraph Rd
St. Louis MO 63129
Tel: +(1)-314-8946987
GoneNomad
OK, so S&T still has the wrong address for that Burger King.

There is actually a True Value hardware store at ~5401 Telegraph Rd.
(actually 5405; 5401 might be considered its garden center)

The Burger King is at 5601 Telegraph Rd.

Both of these have been there for decades.

Thanks, Steve.
Dutchie
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveJonesMO
Got one at 5401 Telegraph Rd
St. Louis MO 63129
Tel: +(1)-314-8946987
5401 Telegraph Rd.
GoneNomad
Thanks!
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