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autbrat
I am thinking about purchasing an in-dash GPS unit for my 2008 Honda CR-V http://www.autodvdgps.com/indash-dvd-gps-radio-for-20072011-honda-crv-hd-digital-panel-rds-dts-ipod-p-983.html. I would like to know does anyone have any experience using a Win CE5.0 platform GPS can routes be imported from Microsoft S&T 2013? I bought S&T mainly for my job I have multiple stops during the day and so far this program has been a lifesaver, however it is difficult to use on a laptop in my seat and the sound on my laptop is not the greatest so I am constantly having to look at the screen to check where I need to turn, it just isn't safe. Not to mention I am tired of having to lug my laptop to my car every time I have to make a trip. Or does anyone have any alternative solutions for me? Really I am open to any ideas. Thanks in advance. :-)
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by autbrat
I am thinking about purchasing an in-dash GPS unit for my 2008 Honda CR-V http://www.autodvdgps.com/indash-dvd-gps-radio-for-20072011-honda-crv-hd-digital-panel-rds-dts-ipod-p-983.html. ...Or does anyone have any alternative solutions for me? Really I am open to any ideas. Thanks in advance. :-)
Here's one you may not have thought of: if you can live with the limited nav functionality of S&T, you will probably save yourself a whole lot of hassle and money if you simply use your laptop with a display mounted in a convenient spot and a wireless mouse and/or keyboard. You'll just need a clipboard (or some type of flat pad) on the console for the mouse, and you won't need a touch-screen, or have to worry about installing an in-dash unit in a 2008 model vehicle. This is the monitor I use now (it's 1366x768 res.):



...it runs on 12vDC and has a 4-bolt VESA mount. Of course the base is removable. I also have a larger ACER 1920x1080 res. monitor that I plan to install this winter, though it's probably too big for your application: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009261 (it runs on 19vDC) Acer and a few other companies make LED-backlit displays that run on DC power rather than AC. The ACER models use the same power connector as their laptops.

There are also USB displays (power & video over USB) like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160064 and wireless displays too, though your laptop may not have the new Intel WiDi.

In addition to the hassle of exporting files from S&T, look at some of my recent posts and you'll see that a lot of the alternatives are half-baked implementations in one way or another. And as bad and as silly as S&T voice directions are in some respects (e.g.: after 4+ years, we still get to hear "YOO SOUTH" for every U.S. highway), S&T does a better job of pronouncing the actual street names than most of the alternatives.

I've used a mouse in a vehicle for many years, which by itself largely overcomes the main problem with a laptop in a vehicle, and I can tell you that it you try it, you'll soon realize you don't need a touch screen, especially if you're used to using a mouse on a desktop computer.
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SpadesFlush
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... and a wireless mouse ...
Do you really like having a wireless mouse roaming around your car?

I have found a touchpad to be a much better solution. See http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/ for something that I have found to work extremely well in an automotive environment.
GoneNomad
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Do you really like having a wireless mouse roaming around your car?

I have found a touchpad to be a much better solution. See http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/ for something that I have found to work extremely well in an automotive environment.
Yes, but it's not "roaming around" - I have a place where it stays until I need it. I use either a Logitech M315 or M505. Logitech makes smaller wireless mice too. I even used a corded mouse before I found a wireless mouse I liked. I also use a Logitech K800 wireless illuminated keyboard (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Illuminated-Keyboard-K800/dp/B003VAGXWK) which has a higher max brightness than their wired illuminated keyboard. The K800 uses two AA NiMH batteries, and recharges via a USB cable; it's sometimes on sale for less than $60. BTW, the K800 is one of two wireless illuminated keyboards worth buying, and this is the other one (which is cheaper): http://www.xoxide.com/modtek-24gwireless-bluebacklitkeyboard.html

All of the above devices work with Logitech's "unifying" receiver, so the same mouse & keyboard (up to six devices) work with one receiver, or with another receiver on a different computer.

I like the touchpad you ref'd. too. It's nice that it's larger than the tiny laptop touchpads, which I've never really gotten used to using.

Logitech has a wireless touchpad (with two buttons) that works with their unifying receiver: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/8417 that's larger than the corded $60 XL version of the touchpad you ref'd.: http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/xl_touchpad.php I don't know if any online vendors sell 'ergonomictouchpad' products at a discount, but the Logitech Wireless Touchpad sells for around $35: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005DSPLC6 So I think if I was going to use a touchpad, I'd at least seriously consider the Logitech wireless touchpad.

IMO, the biggest thing is what any individual is used to (it's sometimes called "muscle memory"). Some people may have almost always used a laptop, and for them, a mouse might be slower. But I've been using mice to control computers for over 25 years, and that's what I'm most used to. And I also think that all else being equal, a mouse simply has has at least two key advantages over a fingertip: pointing precision and buttons. I think there are some touchpens or stylus that have buttons.

I've even used these same mice and keyboard with my Thrive android tablet. They work plug&play, but there is no way to configure them, change the mouse tracking speed, etc. (all mouse buttons do the same thing, too). But for me they still work better and faster than a fingertip, with fewer mistakes, even on a touchscreen tablet.

I take my wireless mouse with me when I take my laptop into a restaurant that has Wi-Fi. But that touchpad is still much smaller than a mousepad, and a fingertip has lower pointing accuracy & precision compared to an optical or laser mouse, There are two buttons and a scroll wheel that acts as a third button on both the M315 & M505 (and the latter also has a left/right function on the scroll wheel), and all of these are configurable using Logitech's software.

So, for all these reasons, IMO a mouse is a better interface tool, a faster and more accurate way to operate a computer, at least for me.
autbrat
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
There are also USB displays (power & video over USB) like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160064 and wireless displays too, though your laptop may not have the new Intel WiDi.
I really like this one, I will have to check to see if it is compatible with my laptop which is only a year old so I would think so. I really appreciate all the suggestions :-) I might have to look at getting a netbook since they are smaller and I would think would be easier to lug to my car everyday that I have to work than my current laptop.
autbrat
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Here's one you may not have thought of: if you can live with the limited nav functionality of S&T, you will probably save yourself a whole lot of hassle and money if you simply use your laptop with a display mounted in a convenient spot and a wireless mouse and/or keyboard. You'll just need a clipboard (or some type of flat pad) on the console for the mouse, and you won't need a touch-screen, or have to worry about installing an in-dash unit in a 2008 model vehicle.

I've used a mouse in a vehicle for many years, which by itself largely overcomes the main problem with a laptop in a vehicle, and I can tell you that it you try it, you'll soon realize you don't need a touch screen, especially if you're used to using a mouse on a desktop computer.
One question I have how do you have the screen mounted??? Thanks.
GoneNomad
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One question I have how do you have the screen mounted??? Thanks.
Just be sure to get a monitor with a standard VESA mount, which is four threaded holes on the back, like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824723007 , which is the first monitor I mentioned above, an i-inc IK161AB. It has only a VGA port and 12vDC power connections, but they point down, which is helpful:



Most, but not all, of the ACER monitors have this mount. Here's two that do:

This is an Acer S211hlbd. It has DVI & VGA ports, and a 19vDC power connection.

ref.: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009261


This is an Acer S231hlbid, which is what I have not yet installed. It has HDMI, DVI & VGA ports, and a 19vDC power connection. This is the largest monitor I can fit. It's about 12.5" high on the side, and about 12.75" high in the middle (without the stand, of course).

ref.: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009255
It's $159.99 now, but I only paid $129.99 for it when it was on sale.
Both of the above ACER monitors use the same 5.5mm 19vDC power connector as ACER/Gateway/eMachines laptops (which is smaller inside than the Toshiba 5.5mm connector).


Some LG monitors have the VESA mount too, and some of their monitors run on 12vDC (e.g.: LG IPS226V-PN).
I've never seen a small Samsung monitor that does, though most of their LED-LCD monitors in this class run on 12v-14v DC, making them ideal from that standpoint, but they provide no easy way to mount in a vehicle.

In addition to the VESA mount, you just need to make sure the monitor runs on DC power (shown in yellow in the above pictures). If it does, it will have an external power "brick" rather than a 120vAC power cord. With most of these monitors, you may need a right angle video cable if you mount it the way I do, on a post that allows it to face toward the driver or to face back or away from the driver. You'll probably need a smaller monitor than these in your vehicle though, something like the first two I mentioned in my first post.
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tcassidy
Don't you find 220 cd/m2 a little dim for use in a vehicle?

Terry
GoneNomad
I made a shade hood for over the top that helps a lot, but yes, it isn't as bright as I would like. Contrast matters more, if you can keep direct sunlight (mostly) off of it, which my setup does.

But it was my first attempt to use a monitor like this, and I only paid about $70 for it on newegg.com. Having proven that the concept works OK (for me), I'm moving up to a larger, high-res ACER, that's more of a brightness improvement than its 250 cd/m2 would suggest. IN my van, any monitor like this is mounted on the passenger side of the AirCond/Radio stack (about the only place a monitor can be mounted), where it is actually a little too far away to reach even if it was a touch screen. A wireless mouse on a "side board" next to the right armrest is a lot easier (for me).

FWIW, I also have a Vizio VIZIO's E220MV that will work too, and it has a VESA mount and uses 12vDC power, and has a TV tuner (not that I need that), but it also has an ambient light sensor and automatic brightness adjustment.
tcassidy
After using my Fujisu slate at 400 nits (same thing) in sunlight, I think I would want at least that much. I am not a big fan of Acer anyway so I hope it works for you.

Terry
GoneNomad
^ smaller monitors are usually brighter. The bigger they are, the dimmer they tend to be, especially for low-power consumption monitors running on DC power. As the size and brightness goes up, the monitors tend to have 120vAC power cords, which isn't practical in this application.

I guess I should "warn" anyone contemplating the approach I've outlined that they should test fit the monitor they intend to use in approximately the intended location, and test it under different lighting conditions before they put in a permanent mount.
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