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GoneNomad
Can I copy & paste addresses into CoPilot v8 laptop?

Apparently CoPilot can import CSV POI files, which is good for a long list of addresses, not a single address that you may want to get into CoPilot "on-the-fly" to be your next destination. So, is there any EASY way to get a single entire address into CoPilot from another Windows program, either by importing or by copy-and-pasting?

The typical situation would be looking up some place or other using google maps or S&T, and then wanting to plug that into CoPilot as a destination without retyping. If I understand correctly, addresses are normally entered into CoPilot v8 laptop by entering the city & state or ZIP code first, then to another screen for the street name, and to yet another screen for the street number (the same as the iOS/Android version, and like a typical standalone nav unit).

With any other normal Windows program, you could just paste the entire address in. How about CoPilot?
malaki86
Not that I'm aware of.
DieselBoss
No. You either have to import from a csv or enter manually via the U/I. There is no cut and paste method.
GoneNomad
Thanks guys, for your quick replies. Now I have a question about using that POI import capability.

How do I import a POI file into CoPilot?


The CoPilot Live Premium FAQs here:
http://www.copilotlive.com/us/support/faq-cl9.asp
states:

1. Does the CoPilot Live iPhone app work on the iPad? - Yes, the standard CoPilot Live iPhone apps do run on iPad. However they do not include the high-resolution graphics and split screen views available with CoPilot Live HD.
2. Does the CoPilot Live Premium HD iPad app work on the iPhone? - Yes, CoPilot Live Premium HD USA and CoPilot Live Premium HD North America are universal apps that are designed to run on both the iPhone and iPad 3G or 4G.

3. Can I download additional or custom Points of Interest for CoPilot Live? - No, it is not possible to download or import custom Points of Interest into CoPilot Live apps for iPhone/iPad.


and the online "User Guides" for both v8 standard and truck:

http://www.copilotlive.com/us/support/guide-copilotlive-v8.asp#POIs
http://www.copilotlive.com/us/support/guide-copilotlive-v8-truck.asp#POIs
each say the same thing about POIs, and a keyword search on "import" finds nothing about importing them.


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But some of you guys, including malaki, have put custom POIs into both CoPilot v8 laptop, and even v9 iOS (specifically contradicting what ALK says above):

Here, malaki describes his process for getting POIs into the v8 laptop version:
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4132-how-add-custom-pois-alk-copilot-laptop-truck#post34705 (Dec 17, 2010)
How to add custom POIs to ALK CoPilot Laptop Truck
"Installing your own POI's into CoPilot (truck or standard version) is a piece of cake:
1 - Start with CoPilot shut down

2 - Select the POI set you want to copy - it MUST be the .ov2 (TomTom) format...
3 - Copy the file(s) to this location (this folder will already exist)..."

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And malaki mentions getting POIs into the v9 iOS version on his iPad here:
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4832-copilot-live-cross-platform#post43242 (June 29, 2012)
"...I was also able to add my own POIs to the iPad version. It'll accept .csv files (with header), but it's a pain to get them into the iPad. I had to use a 3rd party app to transfer the file, then iTunes to actually put it in the correct location. Once I figured it out, it takes about 30 seconds to move the files and have it available to CoPilot..."
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Here, malaki mentions he wishes there was a POI importer:

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4193-copilot-live-v8-suggestions#post35666 (Jan 23, 2011)
"POI Importer: Currently CoPilot v8 for the laptop will only accept .ov2 files. I'd like to see a built-in (or seperate program) to import other file formats, especially .csv files..."
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In a PM to me, malaki mentioned:
"I use the same POI files on both CoPilot & Streets, so it's easy to find the exact same ones on each just by searching in the city they're in..."
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I looked around in v9 CoPilot on my Android Thrive tablet, and I don't see any button or menu to "IMPORT" any POIs. From what malaki said about v8 laptop, apparently there is no import POI capability in the (much more expensive) v8 laptop version either?

I am confused as to what works now, in the most current versions for laptop or android/iOS, and what doesn't.

Did ALK did not provide any "official" way to import POIs into the newer version of CoPilot v8?


This is what I assume:
getting POIs into either v8 or v9 CoPilot is only possible by exploiting the "open" filing structure (which in the case of an iPad is a PITA). IOW, you have to manually put the files where they need to go, right?

Apparently, back in Dec 2010, POIs had to be in .ov2 format (at least in the laptop version). Is that still the case with the latest revision of v8 laptop?


But in June 2012 the iOS CoPilot uses .csv files (with header)?


Is that still the current situation? v8 laptop requires .ov2; iOS uses .csv?


Anyone know which file format CoPilot Android works with (if any)?
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UPDATE:
meanwhile I ran across the .PDF manual for CoPilot 10 laptop (two versions older than the current v8 version), which has this section:

On the next page it discusses the how to use .OV2 files
(same way malaki described above):
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malaki86
Wrong on question number 3 as I've done it myself. It requires software that can connect to the iPad, such as iExplorer (free). Once that's installed on your windows pc and your ipad is connected, you browse the folders on the ipad and can drag/drop the files into it, which it will import. Trust me on this.
DieselBoss
Quote:
Originally Posted by malaki86
Wrong on question number 3 as I've done it myself. It requires software that can connect to the iPad, such as iExplorer (free). Once that's installed on your windows pc and your ipad is connected, you browse the folders on the ipad and can drag/drop the files into it, which it will import. Trust me on this.
Yup. All software has many back-doors. I do not publish back-door stuff as a business partner with folks. But yes, if you put the right files in the right places with the right software, things are possible. lol.
malaki86
CoPilot Live v8 laptop (current version) AND CoPilot Live android & ios will both accept .csv files now. The only requirement is that the file MUST include a header line and that none of the data can have a comma in a field, such as "K & T Truckstop (Fairmont, WV)" in the "name" field.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by malaki86
malaki86: Wrong on question number 3 as I've done it myself. It requires software that can connect to the iPad, such as iExplorer (free). Once that's installed on your windows pc and your ipad is connected, you browse the folders on the ipad and can drag/drop the files into it, which it will import. Trust me on this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselBoss
DieselBoss: Yup. All software has many back-doors. I do not publish back-door stuff as a business partner with folks. But yes, if you put the right files in the right places with the right software, things are possible. lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by malaki86
malaki86: CoPilot Live v8 laptop (current version) AND CoPilot Live android & ios will both accept .csv files now. The only requirement is that the file MUST include a header line and that none of the data can have a comma in a field, such as "K & T Truckstop (Fairmont, WV)" in the "name" field.
Thanks again!

See the "Importing Custom Places" that says it will accept a text file or excel file in the CoPilot 10 screen capture above. Is "Importing Custom Places" still in CoPilot v8 laptop even though there's no mention of it in the online "User Guide"?
DieselBoss
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Thanks again!

See the "Importing Custom Places" that says it will accept a text file or excel file in the CoPilot 10 screen capture above. Is "Importing Custom Places" still in CoPilot v8 laptop even though there's no mention of it in the online "User Guide"?
Yes, you can place a properly formatted csv and an icon in the NA/Save folder and it will import and allow new icon assignment in version 8.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselBoss
Yes, you can place a properly formatted csv and an icon in the NA/Save folder and it will import and allow new icon assignment in version 8.
Thanks, but what I was referring to is supposedly in the "Tools" menu, as shown in this image:

DieselBoss
Oh, ok. That is the importer/exporter wizard from the pre Version 10/11 days. For instance, the last version 9 laptop had that and a whole host of other tools and screens that were gone when they changed the UI to work on Windows Mobile. It was part of what you have been referring to as "like MS Streets" type of programming.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselBoss
Oh, ok. That is the importer/exporter wizard from the pre Version 10/11 days. For instance, the last version 9 laptop had that and a whole host of other tools and screens that were gone when they changed the UI to work on Windows Mobile. It was part of what you have been referring to as "like MS Streets" type of programming.
That screen capture is from the CoPilot 10 laptop manual. I guess I should re-install the program to see if it's actually still there in 10, or they just forgot to update the manual.

I guess what confused/confuses me about when the switched from the "S&T-style" (more Windows standard) interface to something more like the smartphone interface was this post:

Quote:
Many users agree with you that went they went to Version 10 (Car and RV laptop version) and Version 11 (equivalent to version 10, but for trucks) that they like the previous "S&T" style of interface better.

They went to that interface because it could port easier over to Windows CE for windshield mounted GPS (4", 5", and 7" models) without having to write 2 entirely different interfaces. It remains a controversial decision to this day indeed.
http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/4844-copilot-update-service#post44006
Anyway, somewhere in there ALK changed the interface, and I guess if the "Custom Place Import Wizard" wasn't already gone in 10/11, it's gone now in v8 laptop.
DieselBoss
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
That screen capture is from the CoPilot 10 laptop manual. I guess I should re-install the program to see if it's actually still there in 10, or they just forgot to update the manual.

I guess what confused/confuses me about when the switched from the "S&T-style" (more Windows standard) interface to something more like the smartphone interface was this post:

Anyway, somewhere in there ALK changed the interface, and I guess if the "Custom Place Import Wizard" wasn't already gone in 10/11, it's gone now in v8 laptop.
Well, ya got me man. We are currently supporting version 8 right now and I know that I still get a guy once in a while that still uses the version 9 because it was so feature-rich (despite the maps being out-of date now.) But you have tapped out my memory banks for the older stuff. The maps are too out of date to be effective to my trucking users. I may be getting some of the features for those older ones scrambled in my head. Sorry for any confusion.
GoneNomad
I reinstalled the laptop 10 that I can run in trial mode for 15 days, and on start up I am asked to chose "Planning Mode" or "Guidance Mode" (which is something any Windows Mapping & Nav program should have, because you do need bigger buttons when the navigation is running). Here's what the "Planning Mode" looks like on CoPilot 10 laptop:


and in the "Tools" menu is the "Import Custom Places" as shown on page 45 of the manual:


So after this is where they must have made the change... can anyone (malaki, Dieselboss) confirm that there is NO Planning Mode like this in CoPilot v8 laptop?

A keyword search on "planning" in the online user guide here: http://www.copilotlive.com/us/support/guide-copilotlive-v8-truck.asp#welcomes finds nothing.
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DieselBoss
There is a planning screen, but not a planning mode with all of those intricate drop down features any more.

And I revised the version thread because now that I see your screenshot. That is the same as the truck version "9" and not the newer U/I that came in on version 11. So it was 9 and 10 that were twin released (one truck and one non-truck)
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