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Streets & Trips Keys for 2013?
rockingrobin69
I asked Marvin over at GPSPassion & he directed me here. I was wondering if there was going to be a Keys release for S&T 2013? I joined here & it looks like I have a lot of reading to do.

Robin...
MisterMoonlight
I don't know for the moment. A lot of changes must be done and i am not actually sure if there is sufficient interest for it?

Doing all this hard work without a lot of interest would make me think about it for a while...
rockingrobin69
Is there anyway that the latest version of Keys be used for 2013?

Robin...
MisterMoonlight
Probably not. The GUI has major changes and there would be probably a lot of bugs...
tadcook
Waaaah! I just bought 2013, naively assumed that Marvin H. was still toiling away for free and regularly updating Keys along with S&T. Oh well, it couldn't go on forever.

But really, there hasn't been any interest? I consider S&T unusable without Keys, especially when mobile.

Were we supposed to PayPal money to MisterMoonlight?
MisterMoonlight
As we can see in this thread, there are only 2 requests for a new version of S&T keys 2013. As i didn't update myself to the 2013 versions, there would need to be a lot of interest in this update to give me some motivation for all this hard work

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Were we supposed to PayPal money to MisterMoonlight?
I am not setup for any paypal contribution. It has always been for free until now...
tadcook
Damn! This seems incredible to me. But really the ONE feature I love with Keys is the ability to zoom in and out with pageup and pagedown, and change the step size of the zoom. This is so handy when I am driving. I have it set to the smallest step size. Wish Microsoft would build this in.
MisterMoonlight
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But really the ONE feature I love with Keys is the ability to zoom in and out with pageup and pagedown, and change the step size of the zoom.
I agree with you. I am using it with a quite small zooming also. This allows to better look around the current position than default zoom step size which is really big
Pierre
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Originally Posted by MisterMoonlight
As we can see in this thread, there are only 2 requests for a new version of S&T keys 2013. As i didn't update myself to the 2013 versions, there would need to be a lot of interest in this update to give me some motivation for all this hard work



I am not setup for any paypal contribution. It has always been for free until now...
I'm struggling a bit with this dilemma. I'm happy enough with Autoroute 2010 and an update to 2013 isn't a necessity. As there's no S&T Keys for 2013, I think I'd prefer to stick with 2010.
However, if there was a S&T Keys for 2013, it might be worth me upgrading. Has anybody out there used 2013 and can advise on how much better (or worse) it is than 2010?
If I do go for Autoroute 2013, I'd definitely want to be able to use S&T Keys with it, so I'd like to add myself to the list of those requesting it.
And thanks for all the hard work on a great product!
MisterMoonlight
The 2011 version is also supported and this adds a map upgrade to your 2010 version.
Fred_smf
I came upon the original S&T Keys by Marvin Hlavac when googling for NMEA hooks into Microsoft S&T. This would be to interface with ham APRS transceivers such as my Kenwood TH-D72. There are existing gpss such as the Avmap G6 which appear to be fully compatible with the Kenwood. However I'd much rather be able to interface with my existing MS S&T running on a 8" Fujitsu compact.

To those unfamiliar with ham APRS mapping http://aprs.fi

The idea would be to have the Kenwood send like data in NMEA format to MS S&T for locally reachable ham and weather stations to appear on MS S&T when traveling.

I for one would be personally interested in S&T Keys if it can provide this functionality and would be willing to pay for it. I'm new to ham radio but everything I read indicates there is growing interest in APRS functionality including mapping and tracking. http://aprs.org is a good indicator of all the work being done currently. As for interest I have to believe if you "build it they will come".......

If this is all well understood redundant information I apologize in advance. Thanks, Fred
Ken in Regina
Hi Fred,

Welcome to the forum!!

I'm pretty sure Keys would not be the way to go for this use. Keys is an enhancement to the user interface.

What you want is a way to push coordinate data directly into S&T. S&T is normally expecting NMEA data to arrive through the COM port.

I assume you have the Kenwood connected to the PC through a real serial COM port. If so, what you need is to be able to make S&T watch that COM port and use the NMEA data from it.

Have you tried simply pointing S&T at the COM port your receiver is connected to? That COM port must be 4800bps or S&T can't use it.

Another option is to try the GPSGate Express program. It's free for non-commercial use. It can take a variety of NMEA inputs and create a virtual COM port that S&T can use.

I'm just tossing stuff out there. If you can provide a little more detail about how you are connecting the Kenwood to the PC it would help. Don't be afraid to get technical. I worked in IT and Engineering departments in the Canadian telecommunications industry for thirty years. And if I don't understand I'm not afraid to ask.

...ken...
MisterMoonlight
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I for one would be personally interested in S&T Keys if it can provide this functionality and would be willing to pay for it. I'm new to ham radio but everything I read indicates there is growing interest in APRS functionality including mapping and tracking. http://aprs.org is a good indicator of all the work being done currently.
S&T Keys is mainly hooked to keyboard and menu items already there in S&T. It would be very hard to do something like this. A much powerful programming language provided by the application would be needed. Mappoint has a real programming api, maybe more suitable to do things like that (but cost much more than S&T)? But unfortunatly, this is not the case of a simple tool like S&T Keys.
flvil2
Contrary to others, I have used S&T Keys 2011 with Streets 2013 for the last 6 months without any problem. A week ago, I bought a new computer with Windows 8. Keys still work but with a small modification; instead of opening Keys first, I have to launch Streets first and then Keys. All the menus and shortcuts seems to be working fine. I have not yet tested it on road but I am confident it would work as fine as it used to work for the last 6 years.

Though so far, I am happy and I would sugeest that MisterMoonlight will make a new version for Windows 8. ( Maybe it is not that much work since the 2011 version seems to work OK). My new computer has a touch screen and I am excited to use Streets in the car with my fingers instead of a mouse. Future will tell how it works.

PS: I put a copy of S&T Keys.exe file in my C:Program Files(X86)/Microsoft Streets & Trips 2013) folder.
MisterMoonlight
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Originally Posted by flvil2
Contrary to others, I have used S&T Keys 2011 with Streets 2013 for the last 6 months without any problem.
From S&T version to version there are always minor ui interface changes that need to be tweaked in S&T keys as well. While most of the functionnality could work, supporting a new version means finding all these little details and thorougly debug everything on the different recent OS. The starting of the application is one of these details and always need to be changed.

Currently, i have choosen not to update to this S&T version and didn't find a lot of interest for it among the user community to make the effort of doing it and support the eventual problems it may generate.

I am glad that what you are using is working for you.

You can report your windows 8 experience with S&T keys (with touch screen) here if you like and how good it is from usability pov.

I don't have any computer myself with windows 8 loaded, so this could be a very complicated and costly operation to test on this operating system.
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