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Has anybody tried Streets & Trips on Microsoft Surface tablet?
DanTheDriver
So has anybody tried it? Does S&T work on the Surface?
More specifically the Surface Pro with Windows 8.
t923347
Last I read the Surface Pro running Windows 8 won't even be available until late January, but since it will run a full version of Windows 8, I can think of no reason why S&T wouldn't work.
DanTheDriver
OK its out now...anybody tried it?
cyrhe
Yes. I have a Surface Pro 128G. Bought the 2013 with the GPS receiver from an outside source other than the Microsoft Store. The product loaded with no problems.

Had other issues with the keyboard which forced me to reboot to factory defaults.

I could not reload the application from the disk since it was giving a licensing initialization error code of 0XC004D301. Microsoft support worked on this issue for several hours. Finally got a telephone call from MS saying that the 60 day license had expired. I bought this in early February 2013. Not over 60 days. Oh well.... I decided to buy another one from the MS store on line(2/17/2013). It downloaded and installed correctly.

In the mean time I purchased an Iolo System protection software, loaded it and ran it. Worked great except my Office 2013 suite was no longer functional. Oh well.

Restored the Surface Pro again from my external flash memory to a prior to downloading S&T 2013. Went the the MS store for a reload from my account but the download and Keyword selection button was not functioning. It seems the 60 day period now has been reduced to one day. Oh well... Downloaded the trial version of S&T 2013 and it loaded with no problem. Now I don't know if I have a trial version or the version I paid for. So far to get S&T 2013 to work at all,. I exchanged one Type Cover, one Surface Pro 128G and bought one copy of S&T 2013 with locator and one S&T 2013 without locator. Finally got the where S&T2013 is installed and usable on the Surface Pro.

First impressions... the screen is a bit cramp and a bit difficult to read. The ribbons for different function are a bit too small to use on a touch tablet. The map labels are small but can be increase to a larger size by using the tools to increase font size. The GPS receive was quick to respond in the car. I only used it once on my way to work and it perform very well. Other than the tool bars being too small I was generally pleased with its operation. There seems to be other issues with the Surface Pro when loading other software but they are not GPS related.
Ken in Regina
Thanks for sharing your experience, cyrhe.

We are beginning to see a pattern, and a potential problem, here with the laptop GPS software. We are having a discussion over in the DeLorme section about this as well.

The experiences of trying to interact with Streets & Trips and Street Atlas and similar programs that were never designed to work with a touchscreen are generally not positive. Things that are easy to point to and click on with a mouse are not so easy to use when you just have your big fat finger to use.

Some functions that are designed specifically to work with a mouse can be nearly impossible to do at all with a touchscreen, eg. click-and-drag.

Now that Microsoft has jumped into the tablet market with its own hardware we can only hope they will start to modify their own products to work better in a touchscreen environment. And that other software makers will do so, too.

...ken...
cyrhe
Thanks. There are other GPS applications for tablets but I rather like the MS maps. They look more like the traditional paper maps. I have an HTC Flyer with its own GPS receiver but it is not all that sensitive. But as you stated, it seems that MS should have been a bit more proactive. with transitioning its conventional windows software for tablet applications. Growing pains I guess. Now if some one can make a vehicle mount to support a 2lbs tablet...
Ken in Regina
I have a suction cup mount that will hold a tablet or netbook up to 9.5in W x 6.5in H. Unfortunately there is no name on it. There is a thread around here somewhere about it. I'll see if I can track it down.
Ken in Regina
Okay, here's the thread I was thinking about. It didn't work very will for my netbook but I'm going to give it another try when my Nexus 7 tablet gets here this week.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2246-netbook-windshield-mount-14-95-a-p3

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Sorry, that's page 3 of the discussion. Here's the start of it.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2246-netbook-windshield-mount-14-95-a

...ken...
cyrhe
Thanks for the info. I'll be playing by making a custom mount for the Surface Pro with ordinary house wiring, bit of soldering and trial and error. The concept is to make a custom wire frame with hooks that engage in the vehicle's heating and aircondition vents.
Ken in Regina
I'll be interested to see a picture and some details when you get it done. I'm sure others will be, too. It might be better posted in the Hardware forum rather than in this thread.

...ken...
Steve S
I attempted to install S&T 2013 on my Surface Pro last night. The installation was uneventful and the installer reported success, but the app would not run, reporting a "missing .dll" error.

Searched the MS website for solutions and installed first the x64 version of the C++ redistributable and then the x86 version, both without success. The app continued to report an error, this time related to permissions.

Again searched the MS website but found conflicting reports that S&T 2013 is NOT on the compatibility list for Windows 8 (???) and reports that S&T was installed and working! Also found a fix for the permissions problem that was, itself, problematic. At that point, I uninstalled S&T.
cyrhe
See my original post. If you loaded from a disk I don't have a solution. MS support told me that the application had a 60 day license window. That was not the case in my situation. I bought it in early February from an Amazon vendor. It loaded properly the first time but not subsequent trials. I gave up and bought another version on line from the MS store. It also loaded fine. I had to restore the Surface to factory defaults for other issues. I could not access the download and keyword selection from my MS account. I downloaded the trial version and that worked. After checking the MS account again the download and keyword selection was now working and showing me my keyword and download. I didn't try since the trial version is now working. I'm really reluctant to load anymore software on the Surface. Try reloading a trial version of the application. Good Luck
cyrhe
Just another idiosyncracy. After selecting the GPS pane, it is not evident that when you select the "Start/Stop GPS Tracking" button that anything is happening. If you don't have patience like I do and hit the button again the screen grays out. I have had two senarios: in one case the touch screen didn't respond to finger inputs but accepted pen inputs the other it did respond to finger inputs. In trying to close the application with "X" gives a message "Close the program" or "Wait for the program to respond". Well the program never responded. Choosing the "Close the Program" resulted in another screen that says " The application is not responding. The program may respond again if you wait" (no kidding) There are two selections in that screen. "End Process or Cancel" neither work for me. I don't remember if I tried pen input with this screen. Oh well...
Turning the power off was the only cure. With the locator still plugged in the USB port, the Microsoft light is a good indicator that the Surface is turned off. You may have to hold the power button down for a couple of seconds to turn the unit off. In my case it takes a couple of seconds for the GPS start/stop button to react.
tcassidy
If you manually set up the GPS and stay with the same arrangement, the Start GPS button should work quite quickly. The other issues you see sound like they are due to the program in the middle of something (like finding the GPS) so not responding. This can happen with any o/s, not just Win8 nor the Surface.

Terry
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