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How do I make Street Atlas end a leg and start another leg?
DrAlloway
Consider a simple route:: Home > Gas Station > Home Depot > back Home.
I run GPS with Nav Mode and it knows where I am (bread-crumbs are right).

When I arrive at the Gas Station, Street Atlas does not End Leg
When I leave Gas Station, SA keeps trying to get me back to Gas Station. NOT to next leg stop at Home Depot.
Same when I leave Home Depot for Home. SA insists I am Off Route.
And tries to take me back to Home Depot.

There must be some way for me to force SA is accept success.
Yes I got to first stop. Done already.
Now start route to second stop.

This is especially important because DeLorme seldom gets the exact location of the gas station right. Or, the parking lot at Home Depot is not on the map at all. So SA must be told (somehow) that leg one is done - now start leg two.
DrAlloway
As a further example, when I arrive home - it still does not recognize End - rather it tells me to take the next left because it is starting the route all over again.
DrAlloway
I talked with DeLorme Tech Support today (one extremely obnoxious person) who is also, unfortunately, not particularly knowledgeable either.

According to him - "What do you expect from a $40 piece of software?"
DrAlloway
I have been working hard to make SA 2012 with GPS work on Mult-Stop routes - but no success.

If you want to go from Point A to Point B, then it will work just fine.

However, if you want to go from Point A to Point B to Point C, then it will NOT.

SA does not recognize that you have arrived at Point B. So when you leave Point B, SA will direct you back to Point B, not onward to Point C.

This is awfully stupid but apparently true.

There is no command to force SA to recognize that you have actually arrived at Point B. Nor is that a command to force SA to take you on the Next Leg to Point C.

Amazing but true, SA with GPS simply does NOT work for Multiple Stop routes.
Marvin Hlavac
Quote:
Consider a simple route:: Home > Gas Station > Home Depot > back Home.
I run GPS with Nav Mode and it knows where I am (bread-crumbs are right).

When I arrive at the Gas Station, Street Atlas does not End Leg
When I leave Gas Station, SA keeps trying to get me back to Gas Station. NOT to next leg stop at Home Depot.
When leaving the above mentioned gas station, ignore the invalid directions prompts of the software, and try driving towards the Home Depot. Chances are good that after you pass a short distance, the software will realize the direction of your travel is no longer towards the gas station, but rather away from it, and it should recalculate and give you the correct directions.
DrAlloway
Yes that works, IF AND ONLY IF, you already know how to get to your next stop (Home Depot in this example). But, if I already know how to get there I don't really need SA do I??

When I am far from home, in some little town I have never seen before, and have a PLANNED STOP at a gas station - then - I need SA to tell me whether I take a right or left at the next block. I can not wait several miles until SA gives up trying to get me back to the stop I just completed.

What I don't understand is how DeL and thousands of users could not have fixed this obvious problem years ago. There are two easy ways to fix this. One, a command that says "Arrived at Stop" or, two, "Start Next Leg" Either one would work.
Marvin Hlavac
Yes, but chances are the feature works just fine most of the time, and the issue you have described only occurs under certain circumstances, for example if, to get to stop #2, you need to travel a short distance on the same road which got you to stop #1. For example, you might be leaving the gas station, still traveling on the same road, and the software still has not had enough opportunity to realize you are now moving FROM not TO the gas station.

This technology is not perfect. It is very good, it is very useful, but it is not perfect.
Ken in Regina
As Marvin said, the technology isn't always perfect. Knowing how SA works now, if you pay attention when on final approach to the gas station and take note of the necessary path for the first short distance after the gas station you shouldn't really have a problem when leaving.

Or, when you are ready to leave the gas station, you can take a quick look at the route path on the screen before you put it in gear to see where you go next as you exit the gas station.

A minor nuisance until you make it habit, but not a showstopper I think.

...ken...
DrAlloway
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
Yes, but chances are the feature works just fine most of the time, and the issue you have described only occurs under certain circumstances, for example if, to get to stop #2, you need to travel a short distance on the same road which got you to stop #1. For example, you might be leaving the gas station, still traveling on the same road, and the software still has not had enough opportunity to realize you are now moving FROM not TO the gas station.

This technology is not perfect. It is very good, it is very useful, but it is not perfect.
IIRC the screen at a Stop is full with This Stop
(( big red ball, etc ))
NOT picture of where you are going.
And, text does not list next turn, it is stuck on This Stop.

I too can image it working :: but when actually used it does not.

You can NOT see the route path to next turn until SA finishes This Stop.
DrAlloway
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
Yes, but chances are the feature works just fine most of the time, and the issue you have described only occurs under certain circumstances, for example if, to get to stop #2, you need to travel a short distance on the same road which got you to stop #1. For example, you might be leaving the gas station, still traveling on the same road, and the software still has not had enough opportunity to realize you are now moving FROM not TO the gas station.

This technology is not perfect. It is very good, it is very useful, but it is not perfect.
Chances are DeL fixed it last year
unfortunately the reality is they did not
This Feature does not work "just fine most of the time"
it does not work "any of the time"

I am not looking for Perfect
in fact, I would be happy with it taking me to Stop Two once

To make things simple for SA I have tried routes with
No Loops
Never ride on the same road (except in & out of gas stations where it is impossible not to)
Keep Stops more than 10 miles apart

Still can not get SA to direct from Stop One to Stop Two without tricking the sfw.
mattcolie
We just finished a 3800 mile excursion guided by SA13 all the way. It had that problem from time to time, but quickly decided we weren't going back to the stop. It does get stupid sometimes, but so do my Garmin and my Droid.

Question: Do you leave "Back on track" on Auto? (Route-New/Edit, right end)
I'm not sure if this makes things worse or not.

Matt
DrAlloway
I have GIVEN UP.
I ride a motorcycle so I can't screw with it while riding.
And I don't have a navigator who can back-stop SA2012 went it goes FLOOIE.

I have tried all the combinations and permutations to get SA2012 w GPS to behave reliably.
I have configured it the best way possible and if I was in a car and my wife navigated back-up, then it would be OK.

I ride tiny backroads in the middle of nowhere.

I just today plotted a route thru Seneca Rocks West Virginia (which is bigger than most backroad towns). I stop for gas and continue. If I followed my gut (continue south toward Bluefield West Virginia) I would continue straight south on US-33. However, this route requires a hard right turn 1/100 of a mile after the gas station on US-33 North.

By the time SA2012 figured out I was lost, I would be way down US-33 South. No matter what configuration I use in SA2012 - I would have to figure out the problem and its correction. In such a circumstance, I am better off without SA2012/GPS.

I am still using SA2012 to plot my route - but not ride my route with GPS.
Instead I print SA2012 turn-by-turn directions (after a lot of cleaning & error fixing).
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