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Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by DieselBoss
LOL. I am usually the one doing the tech support in my "day job". I knew that my best chance at getting a precise answer to this particular question would be here, and you proved that to be true.

By the way, so that reminds me to ask the followup.

If MS Streets doesn't do it this way, does anyone know of a laptop GPS program that does?

i.e.

A. put in a trip
B. drive the trip and have the "savable" breadcrumb trail record.
C. be able to review that particular trip at a later time including doing something like clicking a point on it and getting a date/time pop-up for the point clicked.
D. possibly add textual notes during the planning, along-route, or post-trip phase to that saved trip / trail / breadcrumb (whichever expression works there)

I realize that those functions are usually more associated with a gps tracking unit. But my knowledge is strongest in the commercial trucking products and not much on the other software vendors. But I know a place full of folks who know the rest of the programs.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

Don from DieselBoss
Garmin has two PC programs that might fill the bill.

1. Mapsource. This program is older and development has stopped but it's easy to use and has features that will let you do most of what you want.

2. Basecamp. This is the replacement for Mapsource and is a really powerful program. It's also more difficult to use but will generally reward the user who is persistent. Basecamp has trip planning features similar to Streets & Trips as well as most of the functions of Mapsource.

You can load GPX files created by any nav program into Mapsource or Basecamp. The GPX files can contain routes, tracks, waypoints, etc.

Basecamp is a free download.

It's probably time for me to post an update on Basecamp in here. It has had massive amounts of new features/functions added since we last discussed it in here. It may be the only trip planning software undergoing serious development by any vendor these days. And it's getting a lot of additions.

...ken...
Boyd
But, of course, you need to install a Garmin map on your computer for Basecamp or Mapsource to be especially useful. So typically it is only used by people who already own a Garmin device and therefore have a copy of the City Navigator map. I suppose you could use it with the free OpenStreetMaps, but those maps don't support all the features of "real" Garmin products.

Then there's the issue that Garmin no longer sells any navigation products for Windows or MacOS. MobilePC was discontinued a couple years ago and nRoute was abandoned long ago.

If you are using a map from a different provider than the map in your navigation program, you are going to have some issues creating routes because the streets are not always going to match. If you just want to display tracks on the screen, that should be fine but that tracks may not always appear on the road.
Ken in Regina
Hi Boyd,

All true about the maps but need not be an issue for testing to see if the necessary functionality is there. As you said, the OpenStreetMaps for North America can be used for testing and they're free.

If it proves to be a useful solution then Don can decide whether a map purchase is warranted. Garmin's City Navigator map data comes from Navteq who also supply Microsoft.

The real issue for Don is the navigation bit. I was surprised to see him in the Streets forum because he's a serious ALK Copilot guy. Perhaps Copilot can't do tracks or at least you can't get them out to use in other programs. For sure it does not have the other features he is after. At least I can't find a way on my Android version.

For a standalone solution you are right that he would need either Garmin Mobile PC which is discontinued long since or a current Garmin nav device.

Otherwise he needs a nav program or device that can capture tracks and drop them out in GPX format or a format that can be converted into GPX using something like GPSBabel.

Once he has track data in a GPX file he has more options, like Basecamp. Or Google Earth might give him some of what he wants.

It would help to know more details about his intended use, eg. Does he just want to noodle with the stuff or is there some final "product" that he's after.

...ken...
DieselBoss
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
Hi Boyd,

All true about the maps but need not be an issue for testing to see if the necessary functionality is there. As you said, the OpenStreetMaps for North America can be used for testing and they're free.

If it proves to be a useful solution then Don can decide whether a map purchase is warranted. Garmin's City Navigator map data comes from Navteq who also supply Microsoft.

The real issue for Don is the navigation bit. I was surprised to see him in the Streets forum because he's a serious ALK Copilot guy. Perhaps Copilot can't do tracks or at least you can't get them out to use in other programs. For sure it does not have the other features he is after. At least I can't find a way on my Android version.

For a standalone solution you are right that he would need either Garmin Mobile PC which is discontinued long since or a current Garmin nav device.

Otherwise he needs a nav program or device that can capture tracks and drop them out in GPX format or a format that can be converted into GPX using something like GPSBabel.

Once he has track data in a GPX file he has more options, like Basecamp. Or Google Earth might give him some of what he wants.

It would help to know more details about his intended use, eg. Does he just want to noodle with the stuff or is there some final "product" that he's after.

...ken...
Thanks all for the replies. The question comes from our fleet customers periodically. They are looking for an "out-of-the-box" laptop solution that would do those functions without having a separate windshield device, and without advanced nav software "manipulation" experience. I was not aware that one existed but wanted to touch base here to make sure. MS Streets and CoPilot will do track recording to an extent. I basically continue to point them to one or the other depending on whether they need the truck restriction routes. Thanks again!
Boyd
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Originally Posted by DieselBoss
They are looking for an "out-of-the-box" laptop solution that would do those functions without having a separate windshield device
I don't think Garmin can provide that. They were headed in that direction with MobilePC and its Mapsource integration. But both of those products were discontinued and MobilePC is certainly lacking many features that people seem to expect today, such as lane assistance, voice command, junction views, realistic 3d terrain/buildings, etc.

I hate to say this on a site called "Laptop GP World", but users of "laptops" for navigation are a dying breed with dwindling software choices. I understand that they fill a certain niche, but don't think it's a big enough market to get developers very interested.

I am using MobilePC myself, although on a tablet. Most people would consider the reasons why I like it to be pretty weird. Really, it's just because I want a big screen to display the Garmin maps I make myself.
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