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New Garmin 'VIAGO' Mapping
Ken in Regina
[This is a reply to a thread started in the SOFTWARE forum]

The Google Play Store reviews would suggest that it doesn't optimize stops and it doesn't appear that there's a simple way to manually insert or order via points. But that may be coming from folks who are not familiar with Garmin's approach to multipoint routing.

Caveat, I have purchased and installed the basic app on my Nexus 7 tablet to take a look but I have only messed with the basics ... poked through menus, turned on the GPS to make sure it finds me at the kitchen table, did a couple of simple searches, etc. I have not tried multipoint routing or anything complex.

It actually doesn't cost extra to do anything related to basic navigation. It works just fine in that regard.

What you pay extra for are offline maps so you can navigate when you do not have a network connection plus some feature add-ons. That can add up. But it's still not terribly expensive.

So far everyone is comparing it to Google Maps and other apps that offer some sort of navigation services for "free". Comparing the $.99 version to Google Maps is fair. If you like Google Maps and don't need offline navigation you probably won't be interested in any navigation app that costs even 10 cents, regardless how good it might be.

But if you need offline navigation, eg. full navigation functionality when you have no network connection, your options become somewhat limited. And they aren't free.

I have ALK CoPilot on my Android devices. For a complete set of North American maps and a set of navigation features equivalent to Garmin Viago cost me about $40. I can get the same thing for Viago for $11 (the basic app for $1 and North America maps for $10). Although in fairness to ALK, the maps for CoPilot are lifetime with quarterly updates. I don't know if the maps for Viago are lifetime or just one-time and additional charges for future updates.

Otherwise I think CoPilot to Viago is a fair comparison because CoPilot's in-app purchase options are similar to Viago's.

If they can get the bugs out soon, I will consider it a bargain when compared to comparable apps (eg. not Google Maps).

So far I've discovered that you can't use it to navigate to addresses in your contacts. Two problems. First, it does not install itself as an address handler. So if you tap an address in whatever address book app you use, you will get, for instance, CoPilot, Google Earth, Google Maps, and any other apps that do things with address. But Viago will not show up in the list. That means you have to work through the Viago app itself to find the contact. That's a nuisance because it has no contact search capability. It simply gives you your contacts in a big long list with no way to search. If you want an address in the W's you have to scroll. And scroll. And scroll.....

Second, when you get to an address in your contacts that you want to navigate to, it fails to find it. It has no clue how to properly parse an address out of your contact database into its required fields (house number, street name, city, zip, etc). So you end up having to manually enter the address anyway.

So far I have found the interface is neat and clean. If you have ever used any common Garmin nav device or application (Nuvi, Mobile XT, Mobile PC) you'll catch on almost immediately with very little effort.

The next thing I need to do is purchase the North America maps so I can do some further testing without needing an internet connection.

One thing I'll be paying attention to is whether the in-app purchases can be used on multiple Android devices. Many companies favour in-app purchases because they can make them device specific, eg. you have to repurchase if you want them on another device. CoPilot gives you a CoPilot ID for in-app purchase. This allows you to sign in and download any in-app purchases to any Android device so you only have to purchase CoPilot and any add-ons once and you can use them on all your Android devices.

It will be interesting to see if that works with Viago. It will be nice if it uses my existing MyGarmin ID so I can manage it all in the same place.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
I have discovered a few more things about Garmin Viago for Android, some good, some not so much.

Downloaded Maps - This is good news. The product description for the in-app purchase of the maps says it includes updates. So I assume it's the direct equivalent of the lifetime maps subscription. And the equal of CoPilot.

More good news for in-app purchases - They operate through the Google Play Store on your Play Store account. So once they are purchased they are available to download onto any of your Android devices that use that account. Another equal to CoPilot.

So I have been able to load the basic app ($0.99) and the maps ($9.99) onto both my Nexus 4 phone and my Nexus 7 tablet and they work as expected. That's about one-third of what I paid for the equivalent capability with CoPilot.

For the Garmin knowledgeable, the associated files for the downloaded maps include the junction view (JCV) file ... the large one.

So for $11 dollars I'm set for offline navigation anywhere in North America with the same maps and navigation features as a Nuvi standalone navigator or ALK CoPilot.

Now the not so good news. I have not been able to figure out how to get my Favorites from my Nuvi over to Viago. Same thing for custom POIs and for additional maps. I have tried putting the usual files in the usual places that work on Garmin handhelds, automotive GPSs and Mobile PC (eg. a *.GPI file in the GARMIN/POI folder, a temp.gpx file in the GARMIN/GPX folder, a compiled map file in the /GARMIN folder) but with no success.

Not getting my Favorites over could be a show stopper. That is one major plus with CoPilot. I was able to get all my Favorites and custom POIs from my Nuvi over to CoPilot. If I can't do it with a Garmin product like Viago, that's a major fail!!

...ken...
Boyd
Garmin doesn't allow you to import or export favorites (waypoints) or other data with their much more expensive StreetPilot app on iOS. It would be surprising if they allowed this on the low cost version.

You also cannot add your own maps to the current StreetPilot iOS app. This was possible to older versions of the app but not the current one. I even visited a hacker site where others confirmed it isn't possible.

Regarding map updates, they are free on the StreetPilot app, but it is nothing like the Garmin lifetime updates you get on the Nuvi. There is no regular schedule for updates. When (and if) they update the app itself, they will include a map update… if they feel like it.

Again, it will be interesting to see if this is different in the low cost app, but it would certainly be a slap in the face for those of use who purchased the expensive product.

See these FAQ's for StreetPilot:

http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?supportPage=Garmin%20StreetPilot%20Onboard%20for%20iPhone&caseId={7785c390-9cdf-11e0-d01c-000000000000}&locale=en_US

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Garmin StreetPilot Onboard for iPhone is not capable of accepting personal data from external sources, such as Garmin navigation devices or Garmin computer software. At this time, data cannot be transferred from a Garmin device to the iPhone application
http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?supportPage=Garmin%20StreetPilot%20Onboard%20for%20iPhone&caseId={1181ce60-9cdd-11e0-d01c-000000000000}&locale=en_US

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Garmin StreetPilot Onboard’s maps are bundled with the application, and new map data is included with most app updates. The app is updated exclusively through the App Store.
I looked on their site and couldn't find any FAQ's yet for Viago
Boyd
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a compiled map file in the /GARMIN folder
On all the Nuvi models from the past few years, additional maps must be placed in a folder named /Map. They ignore maps that are located in the /Garmin folder. So you could try that, but I'd be very surprised if it worked….
Ken in Regina
Yeah, I checked their support site and came up dry, too. So I submitted a ticket. At least they have Viago as a product selection. If it doesn't import and it's not a planned feature that will be a showstopper for me. I have around 400 waypoints and 90+% are not in my phone's contact list.

Not that it would help if they were. Address search from the contact list is really badly broken! Address search overall is about as bad as early versions of Basecamp.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
On all the Nuvi models from the past few years, additional maps must be placed in a folder named /Map. They ignore maps that are located in the /Garmin folder. So you could try that, but I'd be very surprised if it worked….
Yes, I tried that, too, without success.
Boyd
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
If it doesn't import and it's not a planned feature that will be a showstopper for me.
Clearly this isn't a technical limitation with the StreetPilot app, it's just marketing. They want you to buy one of their gps devices, I'm sure they make a lot more money from them than the do from a cheap app.
Boyd
Apparently it is possible to use Viago with third party maps. See this post and also Popej's response here: http://forums.gpsreview.net/discussion/comment/195683#Comment_195683
Boyd
Garmin has discontinued Viago - see: http://sites.garmin.com/en-US/viago/

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víago™

Navigation tailored to fit your needs

This app is no longer available for purchase or download.
That didn't last long… was it even on the market for a whole year? So Garmin no longer has an Android navigation app, although they still offer StreetPilot Onboard for iOS.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
Garmin has discontinued Viago - see: http://sites.garmin.com/en-US/viago/



That didn't last long… was it even on the market for a whole year? So Garmin no longer has an Android navigation app, although they still offer StreetPilot Onboard for iOS.
Thanks for the update Boyd.

It was a joke ... bad to start with in so many ways and just two minor updates with a few bug fixes. I'm only a teensy bit sad to see it go because I paid some money for it. Mostly I'm glad it's dead. Now I can quit hoping that they would make some effort to get it right.

I would kill for an Android version of Mobile XT/PC but the appearance of Viago made it clear that will never happen. The only reason they would start over on Android instead of using an already existing Android app that was on the Garminfone is if there is a legal roadblock.

On Android, all roads lead to ALK CoPilot. I am not crazy about the user interface but at least it's the real deal. And I can get all my waypoints/favorites into it. Garmin support made it clear in their Viago FAQ that was never going to happen.

...ken...
Boyd
"Here" (formerly Navteq) now has their own Android app. I wonder if there is something in their license agreement that caused Garmin to discontinue Viago?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps&hl=en
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