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Microsoft discontinues MapPoint, Streets & Trips, AutoRoute
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
Saw that one coming….

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5394-multiple-point-route-planning-software-reasonably-current-mapping#post47488



I would have to agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense to use Basecamp unless you have a dedicated Garmin PND. Garmin used to make a navigation program called MobilePC that had a user interface similar to their Nuvi PND's. It was designed to work in companion with Mapsource, the route planning software that preceded Basecamp. Unfortunately they discontinued both MobilePC and Mapsource.
I'm afraid I also have to agree with the general unsuitability of Garmin's Basecamp as a replacement for Streets&Trips. I'm a long time Garmin user and I still don't use Basecamp much myself. I hate the interface and the learning curve is monstrous to use it competently to do the sorts of complex trip planning that Streets is so good at.

I was reminded of that today when I was reading a post in the Garmin Basecamp forum from a newbie (to Basecamp) who was trying to figure out a 3 day trip for his RV. He was having no end of trouble trying to figure out the trip planning features of Basecamp. And he is both computer literate and has a ton of experience using Streets & Trips. He figured both would help him with learning another program.

He was wrong for two reasons. First, Basecamp is quite unlike anything else you have ever used. So you can't count on a general competence with computer programs to help.

Second, the trip planning functions were introduced and then sort of forgotten by the developers. For anything other than the very simplest stuff they are broken. So you can't count on familiarity of trip planning concepts from using Streets & Trips or Street Atlas to help.

I apologize for the recommendation. It was one of those quick toss-ins because it's available, it's free (and compatible maps can be had for free), and it claims to have trip planning features. I did not give it sufficient thought before tossing it out there.

It's possible that Delorme's Street Atlas would be a much better alternative if you are travelling in the continental USA. It is currently supported and it even has a few features that Streets & Trips doesn't have if you're planning for a group.

...ken...
Al Nelson
Sad to hear S&T is being discontinued, but there may be a few copies of 2013 still around. I am using S&T 2009, is there much difference between 09 and 13 other than more up to date maps?
Al
t923347
The ability to import GPX files directly into S&T as well as export S&T data to a GPX file would be one thing but there is a complete list of changes by version at http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/2380-review-microsoft-streets-trips.
Baja Boojum
Has anyone actually used the DeLorme Street Atlas USA? It's about the same price as S&T, and as Ken said above, has similar features. I've looked at the DeLorme forum but am specifically interested in comparisons by S&T users.
Al Nelson
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Originally Posted by Baja Boojum
Has anyone actually used the DeLorme Street Atlas USA? It's about the same price as S&T, and as Ken said above, has similar features. I've looked at the DeLorme forum but am specifically interested in comparisons by S&T users.
I have both S&T and Street Atlas, S&T is a lot simpler to use but Delorme has many unique features not availble in S&T. One thing interesting, SA keeps a log of your trip, with location, time, speed and altitude. You can go back and look up exactly where you were at a spicific time. I cant see any real use for this feature but one might be to dispute a speeding ticket. I prefer the S&T.
t923347
Agree, S&T is a lot easier to use than Street Atlas. I eventually just uninstalled SA as I never really got used to the interface. I
My Point...Exactly
The king is dead...long live the king.

I'm not seeing consensus for obvious replacements for S&T/MP.

I don't think there are any.
road trip
It's a shocker...

I had a doubt with no new version and no Marvin update on the next one...

Now i have to learn to use Gamin Bascamp.

I tried a few times and it's difficult to understand this software.

Is Delorme's up to date with roads and POI?

Isit similar to use than Garmin Basecamp?
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by road trip
It's a shocker...

I had a doubt with no new version and no Marvin update on the next one...

Now i have to learn to use Gamin Bascamp.

I tried a few times and it's difficult to understand this software.

Is Delorme's up to date with roads and POI?

Isit similar to use than Garmin Basecamp?
Street Atlas is significantly easier than Basecamp to learn and to use. And the parts that are most used for trip planning actually work, unlike Basecamp.

Delorme has been at this for as long as Microsoft and has very similar richness of trip planning functionality.

Yes, the maps and POIs are kept up to date.

The only issue I've had is that outside the continental US the mapping and POI data suffer. It has improved a little over the years but was still limited in Canada and Alaska the last time I looked. If you stick to major highways and major cities it's okay. Elsewhere it's pretty disappointing. That was the 2011 version. It's possible there has been more improvement since then but I can't be bothered to spend the money only to be disappointed again. Especially since I have no actual need for it.

It's highly recommended for those who use Streets and Trips for trip planning and want a replacement product that is maintained and has up to date maps available. The rest of the features are a bonus.

I can't emphasize enough that the difference in the learning curve for Streets and Trips users is minor for Street Atlas compared to trying to learn Basecamp. And Delorme's trip planning actually works. Just be aware that the map and POI data outside the continental US might be disappointing.

...ken...
GerryS
I will miss S&T, nothing else like it out there.
It would be nice and a great gesture to the Rving community if Microsoft would open source S&T. I am sure developers could easily integrate the free open street maps which are regularly updated.
Pr win for Microsoft and a big win for Rvers.
SteveJonesMO
So sad.

I guess I knew it was coming, but the foolish optimist in me hoped there might be one more release.

I think the biggest blow is to the MapPoint community... is there anything else that carries a remotely similar feature set? Without it and the wonderful tools from mapping-tools.com I never could have built OnTimeZone.com.

Sigh.
My Point...Exactly
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is there anything else that carries a remotely similar feature set?
Steve - I talked with the product manager at Mapbusiness online a few times 18 months ago. Their intent was essentially to recreate MapPoint functionality on a web platform.

This is not an endorsement (yet), as I told them I needed to review how far they've come since I last looked at it....BUT....if you want to have a look - check it out at this link.

http://www.mapbusinessonline.com/

They've got a free trial.

Cost is $250 for one year. Not cheap in that it's a yearly vs one time MapPoint fee....but it's on the web and updated automatically....so there are tradeoffs I suppose.

If you check it out - let us know your thoughts!

(I believe this is a distant relative to the old ESRI Business map product...I used that before Msoft)
sebberry
So what alternative is there now for people who need to import an excel sheet of addresses and have it plot a route?

This is really too bad. Bing maps doesn't have nearly the same number of features. I was hoping there was going to be a 2014 S&T version for my Windows 8.1 tablet.
sebberry
Assuming of course you're always connected and want to keep your data in Google's format in the cloud.
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