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werdnanostaw
We are going to Europe for 2 months from early April. We will pick up a Renault lease car in Paris and drive to Eastern Europe.

To take away, I have bought an 11 inch 2-in-1 PC, ie it has a removable screen / tablet. It has 2GB of RAM, a 64GB internal drive and I have added a 64GB SD card.

The PC has a CPU Passmark of 1070. Not a rocket ship but much better than my eMachines netbook that I have used previously while travelling that has a rating of 300.

To give you an idea of what the rating means my desktop has a 3000 rating and a friend's Sony Vaio has 4000. The Bugatti Veyrons of the PC world have a rating of 22,000, but they need water or even liquid nitrogen cooling.

The new PC cost AUD 250 (AUD 1 = USD 0.75).

Before our last Europe trip I purchased Autoroute 2013 that came with 2 licences, one for a desktop PC and the other for a portable PC.

I installed it on my desktop PC, that is now running Mint Linux, and the netbook, that is now running Chromium OS.

I haven't tried it yet but I assume that when I try and authenticate it I will be told:

* that both licences have already been used; or alternatively

* because the product is no longer sold:

** it is no longer possible to authenticate and I will be stuck in 14 day demo mode; or pigs might fly

** you can install it on any number of PCs and it will authenticate.

If it's the first option is it possible to contact Microsoft and get them to re-authorise the 2 licences?

If it's the second option is it still "out of bounds" on this forum to discuss how to crack the authentication even if the product is no longer sold?
tcassidy
My concern with a tablet of that size and price would be its screen. Probably 16:9 which is ok but is it daylight viewable? Maybe that isn't an issue for you.

I haven't run across a site for hacking AutoRoute but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I think due to the MSDN approach that there wasn't as much interest in pursuing it though. You might have more luck asking a friend to 'lend' you a copy of AutoRoute or MapPoint Europe that isn't locked.

Terry
werdnanostaw
IPS screen. Very bright.

It sits on co-pilot's lap who gives directions. It doesn't have to be viewed by driver.

I tried using an 8 inch Windows tablet for driver viewed navigation when we drove from Perth to Brisbane over Chrismas / New Year with the dash mount I had purchased.

There were two problems:

1. I wear polarised sunglasses and as a result the screen looked black in landscape mode. I don't know whether it's an issue with the screen or the screen protector film.

Oh Oh moment. I just went over and looked at the new PC with my sunglasses on. It doesn't have any sunglasses viewing problems in either landscape or portrait mode.

2. No matter what I did with the screen timeout settings the screen turned off after 10 minutes of inactivity. This is a common problem with Windows (only?) tablets.

The new PC is 3.5 times faster than the netbook I used to run it on so I don't think there will be any performance issues.

I have AR 2007 which was last version that wasn't copy protected.

I can run AR 2013 in demo mode in a virtual machine (Virtual Box or VMWare) and use another VM every 14 days.

The demo can still be downloaded here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/autoroute/free-trial.aspx

The previous copy protected versions, which I have, had 60 day demos which were much more convenient. I may use AR 2011 for that reason.

My main concern with the PC is running out of disk space.

For that reason I am using Sysinternals Junction:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx

to create junctions from C: to D:.

I install the software of interest, eg Google Chrome or Drive, on another clean PC and identify where the files are located:

C:\Program Files\Google
C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Local\Google

Then I create a junction on the PC with the small SSD, eg

junction "C:\Program Files\Google" "D:\Program Files\Google"

When any Google program is installed the files end up on the NTFS formatted SD card.

When you configure Google Drive you can tell it to store the downloaded files on D:.

OneDrive and Dropbox won't allow you to relocate the storage location to a removable drive.

There are several ways to trick them. One involves using the built-in File Explorer, This PC, right click, Manage, Disk Manager to create a virtual drive on the SD card. This wipes the SD card and because I already had files on the SD card I didn't try this.

The way I did it was to use VeraCrypt (the successor to TrueCrypt) to create an encrypted virtual drive in a file on the SD card. This has the advantage that if the PC goes missing your data files are encrypted.

https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/

Microsoft demo software sometimes has a legal rearm command to extend the demo period. Does anyone know whether AR / S&T have this feature?

http://www.howtogeek.com/148347/how-to-extend-your-office-2013365-trial-to-180-days/
tcassidy
Sounds like a good screen. You can set the screen timeout to whatever you want; 10 minutes is only the default.

I'm not sure I know what you are discussing about disk space. Why couldn't you install A/R on the SD card. Certainly shouldn't cause a space problem.

Terry
werdnanostaw
Tablets (some?) ignore the screen timeout settings. They know better and go to sleep.

None of the suggested fixes have worked for me.

http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-8&faq=30

http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Microsoft/DontSleep

My two Windows 8.1 tablets at least. I haven't tested the new Win 10 PC in tablet mode.

I haven't been able to upgrade my 16 and 32 GB tablets to Win 10 in-situ because they don't have enough space to do so. You need about 10 GB free.

With the latest version of Win 10 you can do a bare metal install using an external USB DVD drive or thumb drive. You have to find the serial number, using eg Belarc, before you wipe them. I will also blow away the Recovery partition that uses 5 GB on both tablets.

I will definitely do the tablet that's permanently plugged into the TV.

I may not do the "used while sitting watching TV" tablet because I really like the touch version of Internet Explorer that was removed in Win 10. I haven't been able to find a good touch aware browser. Any suggestions?

Some software such as Google don't allow you to choose where to install programs so you have to use the Junction option to relocate the files.

Even when you can tell programs to install on another drive they still install LOTS of files on the C: drive.

It is critical that you fix this problem when you have a 16 GB tablet and it's still a problem with a 32 GB tablet.

You also have to find out how to:

* disable Recovery Points

* disable patch and driver backups

* not install MSOCache (Office recovery files)

* delete pre-installed Windows Store Apps

* clean browser Temp files

and many more.

The price of using a Windows tablet is eternal vigilance if you don't want the SSD to fill up.

For example, yesterday I managed to clear enough files to have 1.6 GB free. By this morning it's down to 0.5 GB!
werdnanostaw
I may use AR 2011 for that reason.

We're going to Central Europe - Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland - so I don't think I can use AR 2011.

In 2008 we were heading from southern Germany to Dresden in eastern Germany. The direct route was through Czech Republic but because there wasn't any non-freeway coverage outside major cities in AR 2007 we followed the border inside Germany.

In 2012 we went to former Yugoslavia countries, Bulgaria and Romania and I had to use nRoute and Garmin or OSM maps there. I don't recall whether AR 2011 covered Slovakia when we crossed over from Serbia.

I think the reason I bought AR 2013 was because at last it had complete coverage of eastern and southern European countries that we want to visit.

I will still install nRoute and OSM maps just in case AR 2013 doesn't have as complete coverage as I think it has.
SpadesFlush
Your commitment to AR is "awesome" as the kids say today, Andrew.

I am in southern Italy right now; I brought my AR loaded and ready on my antique Viliv S5 but hired a car that had GPS in it. Bang, away goes the Viliv. The on-the-road navigation is just so much better and creates so fewer arguments that it just makes so much sense. I still am glad to have AR with me on my laptop for route planning and evaluation though, so it still fulfills an important function for me, if not on the co-pilots lap which in my case is a non-starter. The fact that AR is not absolutely current is not a big deal on two-thousand-year-old roads and even the GPS in a brand new rental car is not absolutely up-to-date, either.
werdnanostaw
I know I'm preaching to the choir but here goes.

1. Satnav's in cars are great for getting from A to B by whatever route it thinks is "best" which usually involves freeways. All freeways, especially urban ones, look exactly the same, ie boring.

2. You can't preview the route. When you can see the whole route you can't see any details. When you zoom in to be able to see the route road network you are too far in to be able to see any alternative routes.

3. You usually can't specify via points and if you can it's usually only one.

4. When you reach a town you can't use them to see which road leads to the beach or park or lookout - see 2.

6. You can't load POIs so you can't modify the route to go through a "beaux village" or "punto panoramico".

7. You can't click and drag to modify the route.

I could go on but I won't.

Whenever I go somewhere on a driving holiday if I couldn't have access to a satnav system with the above features I don't think I would drive there now. In Europe it's AR and in North America it's S&T. Everywhere else it's nRoute with OSM maps.

I'm 64 so I think I can keep the above systems running for my remaining, optimistically, 16 years of driving holidays.

If I ever find tablet based satnav software with the above features (CoPilot?) I might switch but for the present I am deliriously happy with my systems, especially AR and S&T.

We leave Perth at 0600 (W Australian time GMT+8) on Sunday and arrive in Paris at 2000 (GMT+2) = 20 hour flight.

We pick up our brand new leased Renault Clio on Wed at a very reasonable AUD54/day (USD41) all insurance included for 42 days.

Strong Recommendation: If you (non-EU resident) are ever going on a driving holiday in Europe don't rent with all the potentially hideously expensive non-insured items (underbody and overhead damage, glass, tyres, diminution of value due to damage, loss of income while being repaired). Investigate leasing a Renault, Peugeot or Citroen. Do this even if your trip doesn't originate in France because for a relatively inexpensive fee of AUD150 you can have the vehicle delivered or returned in the surrounding countries.

With a leased car it is 110% insured. By this I mean that if there is any damage no matter who caused it you are completely covered with no excess.

They will transport you to a hotel which they will pay for while the vehicle is being repaired.

They will pay for a replacement rental car. Read the contract to see what is covered before you accept this offer.

If the vehicle can't be repaired in a reasonable time they will transport you to Paris and give you a new car.

For Australians this is the link to the Renault deal. There are equivalent web sites for USA and Canada.

http://www.renaulteurodrive.com.au/default.aspx

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We will drive to Prague, Bratislava, Budapest and Warsaw.

I hope you enjoy your trip around Italy. I'm sure you will.
SpadesFlush
I rented a Renault R4 on that plan about 40 years ago and it was great. It was +/-4 weeks whereas this visit is (at least the part when I am renting a car) is only 9 days. I think the plan you describe is great for long leases but I can tolerate Europcar for a short rental. Even better, I would prefer to use my own car that I keep in the UK but that was not feasible this trip.

Good luck with your program. Be sure to see the "Blue Church" in Bratislava done by Odon Lechner of Budapest where there are still many of his 19th Century buildings.
werdnanostaw
The following was copy and pasted from a post I made on another forum that may or may not be useful for you.

Tips

Note every defect on vehicle inspection form.

Take photos (or video) of exterior and interior of vehicle at pickup and return.

Read everything you can on Elliot.org about car rental in general so you know what to watch out for.

http://elliott.org/frequently-asked-questions-about-car-rent...

http://elliott.org/tag/car-rental/

https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ael...69i57j69i58.9920j0j7

There is no such thing as zero excess. The following items (possibly only in USA) aren't covered by basic insurance or in some cases by any sort of insurance offered by the car rental companies:

Underbody damage including rocker panels
Overhead damage, ie roof
Tyres, wheels and wheel covers
Glass
Uninsured driver of other vehicle even if you have taken out basic cover. You have to get UMP - Uninsured Motorist Protection
Loss of value due to damage
Transport to and from repair centre
Loss of income while vehicle is off road being repaired
Recovery after accident. Even if you take out Recovery insurance it only offers USD1000. At $10/mile you have 100 miles of recovery which will barely get you out of LA. Because most car rental operations are franchises the damaged vehicle has to be returned to where it was rented. If the accident for example takes place in Seattle which is 1100 miles from LA even with their insurance it will cost $10,000 to return vehicle. You need to get third party unlimited distance recovery insurance.
Admin fees
Fee recovery fees (Not a joke)

The above list is written from memory. I have a document that lists all (that I know about) TLAs (three letter acronyms) used by car rental company insurance and what (I think) they mean plus all the additional fees and charges they can slug you with. It is a much longer list than the one above. You need to do your own very thorough research.

When you rent a car you are giving the car rental company unfettered access to your credit card.

When you are dealing with a, say $50,000, vehicle you need to be as sure as you can be that you are protected against losing a very large sum of money.

You can protect yourself to some extent by checking and photographing the vehicle at pickup and return and by researching what is and isn't covered by the insurance packages and taking out third party cover where needed to cover any (large) gaps but ultimately, unless you want to stay indoors forever, you have to accept that there is risk in life and get on with it.

Just don't think that car rental companies are altruistic organisations that are there to provide you with worry free access to a car. They are profit driven monsters that will do anything they can to gouge you.

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Car Rental Check List

I have pasted my car rental check list below. Critical items that you may be charged for if they aren't noted on vehicle condition report are in bold.

Pickup

Find out which make and model is being offered before allowing rental document to be produced. If you don’t like vehicle make and model see if you can get a different type. What isn’t covered by insurance? Take photos on pickup and return. Return fuel policy. Refuel immediately.

Before Return

Refuel before you return vehicle as close to return location as possible. Take photos of location, odometer and before and after fuel gauge. You must get receipt.

If return is to be after dark take photos of vehicle in daylight.

Return

Take photos of vehicle.

Get rental office to thoroughly check vehicle and sign that no further claim for damage will be made.

Engine Compartment
□ Bonnet release
□ Bonnet catch
□ Oil
□ Oil leaks
□ Battery fluid
□ Battery tie down
□ Water
□ Radiator
□ Windscreen washer fluid
□ Brake fluid
□ Automatic transmission fluid
□ Power steering fluid
□ Bonnet strut

Boot
□ Release in vehicle
□ Release in boot
□ Lock – keyhole and secure
□ Gas lift struts
Spare tyre inflated and lockdown
Tools – jack, handle and wheel brace
Carpet on floor and sides

Exterior
Tyres – tread, same type
Wheels
□ Wheel nuts
Wheel trims
Wheel arches
Under body
Exhaust
Paintwork on doors, bonnet, boot, roof and bumpers – look for chips, dents, scratches
Aerial
Windscreen, side windows, rear window – look for chips and cracks
□ Windscreen wiper blades
Light lenses and globes
□ Licence plates and sticker validity
□ Fuel door release and lock
□ Fuel cap
□ Door locks and door closing
□ Suspension
□ Rear view mirrors and surround

Interior
Seat material and adjustment
□ Head restraints
□ Seat belts
Carpets in front and back
Ceiling lining
□ Starting and idling
□ Steering
□ Gear selector
□ Hand brake
□ Brakes
□ Vehicle manual
□ Air conditioning
□ Fan and vents
□ Radio and CD player
□ Note mileage
□ Instrumentation lights
□ Warning lights
□ Clock
□ Fuel level
□ Window winders
□ Door handles and locks
□ Door lining
□ Windscreen wiper operation
□ Windscreen washers
□ Remote locking
□ Alarm
□ Cruise control
□ Cigarette lighter
□ Ash tray
Cup holders

Lights
□ High beam
□ Low beam
□ Park
□ Tail
□ Brake including high level
□ Front indicators
□ Rear indicators
□ Indicator repeaters
□ Reverse
□ Hazard
□ Fog
□ Number plate
□ Ceiling light – all positions, all doors

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More on Car leasing in France - just a bit more detailed than what I posted here.

In Europe I lease Renault, Peugeot or Citroen vehicles that are 110% covered.

By that I mean:

None of the above fees / gotchas apply. A few years ago on my last day with the vehicle after driving for 4 months completely unscathed from Paris to the Syrian border in Turkey on the Mediterranean I drove up onto a very low concrete bollard in Chartres that I hadn't seen. The rocker panel was bent and the RHS doors wouldn't open. When I returned the vehicle to CDG the next day the check-in guy shrugged and that was that.

If repairs are required they will pay for accommodation and transport to the hotel while they are being carried out.

They will pay for a rental car IN YOUR NAME for the duration of the repairs. I didn't take up this offer a few years ago while I was waiting 2 days for a new wheel to arrive (low profile tyres, alloy wheels and potholes are a bad mix!) because I didn't have the French skills and time to be able to understand what the insurance would and wouldn't cover.

If the repairs will take longer than a specified time they will transport you back to Paris and give you a new vehicle.
werdnanostaw
Hi Marvin

I seem to have got a duplicate post.

All I did was edit my first post.

Please delete Post #10 and retain Post #11.
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by werdnanostaw
Hi Marvin

I seem to have got a duplicate post.

All I did was edit my first post.

Please delete Post #10 and retain Post #11.
Done.

...ken...
werdnanostaw
In reply to my original question in this thread:

Is the Autoroute 2013 activation server still working?

the answer is:

Yes.

I have just finished rebuilding the PC I'm going to take away so I decided it was time to activate.

It worked seamlessly. That must mean that I had only used one of my two licences.

As a result, I didn't have to try and contact Microsoft, probably in Oz, to get the licence count reset for my version of AR that was bought online from the US store.
Ken in Regina
That's good news. It's great when things sometimes go as smoothly as you hope!

...ken...
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