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HERE WeGo map site & HERE WeGo Navigation app
GoneNomad
I've recently been testing the latest versions of these:

HERE WeGo map site

HERE WeGo Navigation app (Android)

HERE WeGo Navigation app (iOS)

All of my tests were done on Android mobile OS.
iOS version should be very similar, but YMMV.

As the recent testing (discussed in this thread) has determined, every mapping/navigation "solution" is lacking in a few (or several) key aspects, relative to the needs of what I call "High Frequency Travelers" (e.g.: Truckers, RVers & Fly&Drivers, most of whom have to keep on a schedule).

This includes some significant limitations of the newest versions of CoPilot Live 9.x and the TomTom mobile app.

So I decided to take another look at HEREWeGo (formerly "Here"), to see if how well it could be utilized.

Key features of HEREWeGo [compared to GoogleMaps]

1. Permanent local ('offline') storage of entire continents in state-by-state maps [limited number of user-selected area maps make national coverage unfeasible, maps expire if not updated every 30 days.]

2. "Starred" (favorite) places are saved into user-nameable "Collections" but neither "Starred" places within the "Collections" nor the group of "Collections" can be sorted. [one non-sortable list of "Starred" places]

2a. Here's "Starred" (favorite) places are ONLY accessible from within the appropriate "Collection" - there is no 'master list' nor a way to search for "Starred" places, so to find a "Starred" (favorite) place you would have to know which collection it's in. This would quickly become another major drawback if trying to manage a large number of places & collections. [one non-searchable list of "Starred" (saved) places, and one list of "labeled" places. However, there are several useful management functions on the (poorly named) Bookmarks www.google.com/bookmarkspage. More info here]

3. "Starred" places saved on on HEREWeGo map site automatically sync (via internet) with the HereWeGo mobile app signed into the same account, after which they are accessible in the mobile app without an internet connection [works the same way]

4. Multi-stop routes can be created on HEREWeGo map site and saved as a named collection [multi-stop routes can be created on the Google Maps site, but cannot be saved as named routes]

4a. Multi-stop routes created on HEREWeGo map site cannot be sent via email or text message [multi-stop routes can be created on the Google Maps site and sent via email or text message]

5. The HEREWeGo mobile app cannot create or navigate a multi-stop route [multi-stop routes can be created & navigated in the GoogleMaps app]

6. Existing routes saved from the HEREWeGo map site do not show up in the HereWeGo mobile app and new routes cannot be saved there from the mobile app. [multi-stop routes received via email or text message by the GoogleMaps app can be "saved" locally to the homescreen but user has no control over the name (always named @ the destination)]

GoneNomad
Since getting multi-stop routes from the Google Maps site to GoogleMaps mobileapp has a few limitations/complications if there's no internet connection, I wondered if it would be possible to use "Starred" (favorite) places as the waypoints on a trip. Both GoogleMaps and HereWeGo will navigate to "Starred" places without any internet connection, as long as the pertinent map area is saved locally ('offline').

Google makes this more difficult because it has only a non-sortable list of "Starred" places, whereas in HereWeGo they can be grouped into different nameable "Collections"

So here's how using "Starred" (favorite) places as the stops in a trip can be accomplished, by arranging all them into a collection of all stops in that particular trip.

To reduce the visual space consumed by this post, this time I'm just posting the image links:


This shows where an item can be "Starred" as a favorite
& http://imgur.com/xC2NI58
& http://imgur.com/hchxMlS

But this doesn't work consistently; it's not always there, even in comparable situations
& http://imgur.com/7J26VzL
It is dependent upon HOW a place is searched for or selected.

wego.here.com also has this feature when right-clicking on the map

This is what Here "Collections" show up like on wego.here.com

In a "Collection" on wego.here.com, this is how 'starred' places show up, which varies somewhat depending on how they were originally selected (see notes in the screencap; using the on-map "widget" results in no icon and no address showing up in the list)

...putting the pointer over one causes a 'flag' to pop up on the map

As mentioned above, 'starred places' in a collection cannot be sorted or re-arranged. The can only be deleted from that collection. But they'll still be in the master list of 'starred places' from which they can be re-selected and re-added to any collection.

But considering how long the basic features of computer file management has been semi-consistent,
the omission of basic 'sort by name' or rearrange functions is pretty bad.

...
GoneNomad
This is how some of the collections and the places in them are handled by the HereWego mobile app:

List of Collections

List of places in this collection

Note: nether collections nor the items in any collection can be reorganized in any way.
They show up in an arrangement based on the order they were added.
But as you can see, that isn't exactly consistent between the HERE maps site and the mobile app.

...and my original idea: that to work around the Here mobile app's inability to navigate a multi-stop route, maybe it would be practical to add multiple places (the stops in a route) into a single Here "Collection" (named for each trip) isn't as practical as I had hoed it might be.
GoneNomad
Boyd: This one is for you:

The HereWego app allows this type of view when navigating:

I'm not sure if it maintains it continuously, because it may zoom back in on turns.
But it appears that 3D, 2D, and 2D north up are the options in the Here app nav mode, changeable by tapping on the diamond-shaped red&black compass icon at top right.
Boyd
That looks fine, I installed the HERE app awhile ago when I was trying to find an iOS app that I liked. The deal breaker for me was that HERE only worked in portrait mode, there was no landscape mode. IMO, that's inexcusable for a modern app. And it just won't work for me, because I have my phone mounted in landscape mode in a spot that I really like. Portrait mode won't work in that location. Have they added landscape mode to the new app? Also, IIRC, it didn't have a night mode. Also a deal breaker for driving after dark on back roads.

The Garmin app, just like the Nuvi allows 3d/2d/track-up navigation and you can drag, rotate, zoom the map at any time in any mode. It will stay where you have dragged it until you exit browser mode. This seems like a basic function that I would expect from any app or dedicated device.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
The deal breaker for me was that HERE only worked in portrait mode, there was no landscape mode. ...Have they added landscape mode to the new app?
It's certainly possible there are feature differences between the android & iOs versions.
Also, android apps can be created to auto-detect the device type (but may not be), which will install either a tablet-optimized version or a phone-optimized version. A lot of apps on the play store say they are intended for use on phones.

One problem I've noticed is that even some of mainstream apps don't cope too well with very high-res tablet screens (e.g.: Tab S 10.5 2560x1600 = ~288 ppi pixel density). It's similar to the problems Windows has scaling for QHD laptop screens. I think key elements (like buttons or nav directions) in some android apps are defined by their pixel dimensions, and that makes them really small on hi-res tablets. Adjusting these values is one of the things that can be done to optimize for

PND makers don't have that problem because their displays are low-res by modern mobile device standards, and since they have control over the hardware, they can adjust as needed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
Also, IIRC, it didn't have a night mode. Also a deal breaker for driving after dark on back roads.


Here Widescreen Night Mode Nav, 2D & 3D:






Here Portrait Day Mode Nav, 2D:


.................
Attached Images
settings-day-night-view.png  
Boyd
OK, this looks good, guess I need to check it out. Just looked at the version history… V2.0.0 was released on July 27 and they changed the name to "Here WeGo" at that point. It says they gave it a "whole new look" with that version as well. When I tried they were still at v 1.xx, was probably back in March.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
...Just downloaded HERE but tried it with the online maps. It does have a night mode setting, but that appears to have no effect whatsoever (if set to night only). Looks the same as day-only...
The Here app's night mode only affects the nav screen.

FWIW, among the other advantages, Google.com/maps & GoogleMaps app are both markedly superior to their Here counterparts at the default POIs shown on the map without having to search for any specific POI by name or category, and allow a much greater zoom level than Here (or MapQuest) too.

If it wasn't for google maps arbitrarily-imposed limitations (see below*), Here wouldn't even be a credible contender.

* auto-expiring maps (a 31-day-old map is "new" by any other standard, and sure a lot better than no locally-stored map at all)

* No option to save maps state-by-state. Current scheme makes it difficult to cover a large area.

* No ability to manage saved ("Starred") places, which are the only places (other than typing one in) that can be navigated to without ANY data connection.

* Allows multi-point routes to be "saved" locally, but to as home screen shortcuts with a default name of the destination, and they can't be renamed or organized. Opening a route, making changes to it, and manually deleting the original is the only option.

That said, considering the significant features google has added (like being the only one of the "big four**" mobileOS map/nav app that allows multi-point routing) during the same time period while its competitors have been making minor tweaks, and considering google's better map data, explains why google still owns this space, especially for most people, who mainly don't drive further than within the largest possible single google map area.

.....

big four** = Google, Here, Bing/Windows, MapQuest
Boyd
So you're saying that you only get a night view (like your screenshots) if you are navigating a route? And it always shows the day view if you're just driving around? That would be ridiculous….

Regardless, even with a destination entered and route line displayed, the night setting makes no difference. I don't have a screen like your screenshots. But maybe that's because I'm using the online map.
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
So you're saying that you only get a night view (like your screenshots) if you are navigating a route? And it always shows the day view if you're just driving around? That would be ridiculous….
Have to be in the mode that shows this arrow:
(which is easier to see than the nav 'location' arrow in TomTom app)

Maybe the iOS version is different?
You could try your Android tablet to find out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
Regardless, even with a destination entered and route line displayed, the night setting makes no difference. I don't have a screen like your screenshots. But maybe that's because I'm using the online map.
I doubt that's the problem.
Attached Images
here-nav-mode-pointer.png  
GoneNomad
Points made in the OP above, illustrated:

4. Multi-stop routes can be created on HEREWeGo map site and saved in a named collection




Note that in the list above, intermediary stops aren't listed. But it doesn't really matter because:

Although the "Routes" collection shows up in the HereWeGo mobile app, it has nothing in it.

...and as already mentioned:


4a. Multi-stop routes created on HEREWeGo map site cannot be sent via email or text message, either.




Attached Images
here.com-collection-can-contain-routes.png  
GoneNomad
This has been one of my test routes for quite a while. It's a tricky route that's intended to find flawed routing algorithms.

Most of the map sites now handle the first leg (to Whitehaven Welcome Center) correctly... or almost.

On the longer routes (to Nashville or Miami), Here, Bing & TomTom all plot entirely different routes unless other via points are added.
Only
Streets & Trips 2013 and
Google Maps don't do this. S&T's default routing to the Whitehaven Welcome Center isn't optimal,
but it's a reasonable route that trades shorter distance for a higher percentage on the interstate.
Only Google maps plots the correct route by default AND doesn't
change completely just because a more distant destination is added.

Here maps seems to have the worst routing on longer routes
... (not that this is exactly an epic trip length).

The Here default route for
1200 Main St, Imperial, MO 63052 to Whitehaven Welcome Center
(which is directly on the best route to Nashville):



But go much further than that and the route changes completely, and not for the better.

And even worse, it "resisted" attempts to manually correct the route;
adding a via point often resulted in unexpected rerouting away from where the via point was added.

Try the addresses below for yourself, and you'll see what I mean.

1200 Main St, Imperial, MO 63052 to 204 Largo Dr, Nashville, TN 37211

Here default route is 336 miles

(which is about 10% farther than the route that is typically the best one for this trip)



One via point should have been enough... NOPE!



How about another via point? NOPE! Still not there!

What if I move that 2nd point to a different place? NOPE!



It finally took 3 carefully placed via points to nail down the route.

Now it's only 302.8 miles
,
and although the time is shorter too, it's still longer than the real-world time would be.


screen caps: http://imgur.com/a/w8qc8
GoneNomad
Below are two more examples of Here's wacky routes.
Not only are both of them BAD, they also aren't the same (and they should be).

Oak Ridge, MO - Nashville, TN (full size image)

Oak Ridge, MO - Clarksville, TN (full size image) (228.6 miles; 4:03)
.............
For reference, this is the google.com/maps default route (184 miles; 3:13), which is also the correct route:


BTW, Bing may use the same maps as "Here" but I just tested these two routes in Bing.com/maps, and although it doesn't default to the most optimal route* Bing sure does NOT come up with two different wacky routes like "Here" does.

* S
ame as in previous comparison above, Bing defaults to a route that's about 10 miles further but only a few minutes longer.
GoneNomad
Places are listed in "Here" collections show up in the HereWeGo mobile app in the order they were added
(not by name, distance or description; see red arrows at bottom) and there's no way to change that:

HereWeGo mobile app:
New places in a collection are always on end of list (full size image)
Attached Images
here-add-new-place-collection-always-end-list.jpg  



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