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Microsoft Streets and Trips on Windows 10
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
GoneNomad said:

I've found a few posts like these:
https://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/85bba1c1-daab-425f-a005-6860cd398ec7/streets-and...orum=streetsandtrips

But maybe it depends on whether S&T was already binstalled before OS was upgraded, vs trying to install S&T on a Win10 system.

Reason I ask is, can't find any totally offline way of handling POI sets that works as well as S&T. (Maybe Basecamp would do that too, though.)
I just installed S&T 2011 (the newest one I have) on the latest version (Anniversary Upgrade 1607) of Windows 10 on a Surface Pro 3 that I bought lightly used a few days ago.

It installed and runs fine. I really have not done anything to stress test it. I just scrolled around the map, zoomed, etc. to make sure the display works properly. The way it's working I can't imagine there would be any problems with doing any of its functions.

I don't have any data to mess with. I never used S&T much other than for testing to help folks on here and haven't even had it installed on any of my computers for probably a couple years. I can't even find a registration key for it anymore so I had to do the free trial thing to get going. (S&T2011 has 60 day free trial and another post in here suggests it may keep working beyond that.)

If there's something specific you want me to try, be specific and provide data.

...ken...
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
@Ken...I just installed S&T 2011 (the newest one I have) on the latest version (Anniversary Upgrade 1607) of Windows 10 on a Surface Pro 3 that I bought lightly used a few days ago.

It installed and runs fine...
...ken...
Ken - Thanks.
Meanwhile I was doing the same with the S&T2013 demo (
clarification: on my Win7 PC).
I see that POIs in S&T can be opened directly into Bing maps.
So that answers that question.

I remember now why I didn't like it at the time ("Metro/Modern" style icons on the tool bar). But the cold hard reality is, nothing beats S&T even now for doing some things, and not just trip planning... custom POI handling is way better too. And it's lightning fast, and always works without any online connection, and, and, and...

Somehow I just find it ironic that the almost all current solutions to this need, require an internet connection (or at least ability to receive a text message via the cellular network) to "talk" to one another, meaning that even if the mapping/nav "module" has locally stored map data, the trip planner which has the features most people would like, cannot "send" a route directly (locally) even if both are running on the same device!
GoneNomad
Well, just to check, S&T 2013 gets this route correct (much earlier versions - maybe 2009? - did not):

All the other major sites got it right too, but the latest version of TomTom flunks this test (link; scroll down),
forcing a waypoint to be manually added to correct it:



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Ken in Regina
Is that on your Win7 computer? I've downloaded S&T 2013 now and could check to see how it installs on Win10 if you like.

...ken...
GoneNomad
Yep. I have S&T2013 on Win7 PC
I don't have a Win10 device of any kind... I've held off for several reasons, not least of which was deciding which way I was going to go with this project.

I'm not an early adopter. The Dell PCs I have were some of the last Dell built that had XP driver support

If you feel like Downloading the S&T 2013 and installing it, that'd be great.

FWIW, you might want to have a copy of the installer on hand just in case a need arise in the future. I guess eventually the download link will stop working. You might have a project of some sort that S&T would make a WHOLE LOT easier.

I'm just re-experiencing some of that now... sure is nice to be able to import native Excel files, and not have to worry about the columns being in a certain order.

I've just realized something else... this is probably going to be the best way (probably by far) to get googlemap (or BingMap) POI info URLs into the POI flags... something S&T does easily (in a few seconds), for an entire list, which none of its mainstream modern counterparts will do.

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Ken in Regina
Okay, I installed 2013 on my Surface Pro 3 with Win10 Anniversary Upgrade. It installed and runs fine

Both 2011 and 2013 also work decently with touchscreen input. I don't recommend it, just as I don't recommend it with a lot of conventional Windows desktop apps, but it's reassuring that you can do it in a pinch.

...ken...
GoneNomad
OK, Surface Pro 3 has a 12.0 in 2160x1440 (216 ppi) display.

Is the Win10 display scaling setting able to compensate for that enough that UI elements are not too tiny?

That seems to be a problem with some legacy apps, and S&T is about as legacy as can be...
Ken in Regina
Mmmm..... Yes and No.

If I scale the text up from the default of 150% to, say, 200% the text in S&T scales up, unlike some apps. But the graphic elements do not. For general navigation through the UI this is a good thing because everything is readable.

As you might suspect, it's also a bit of a mixed bag in some specific situations. At 200%, the text on the map is beginning to be a bit large when you're zoomed to where you can see lots of streets. not a showstopper but a bit crowded in places.

Some of the UI nav elements are graphical. So if there's a + sign that you have to click on for a dropdown list, it can be pretty tiny. Again, not a showstopper but it can be a bit of a nuisance. You definitely won't use touchscreen taps on some elements.

Overall, it remains quite usable at the default text size with a mouse or touchpad, and up to a point it benefits from a bit more magnification.

...ken...
tcassidy
What Win 10 scaling are you using on the SP3?

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
What Win 10 scaling are you using on the SP3?

Terry
The default is 150%. I normally use 175% but occasionally kick it up to 200%.

...ken...
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
@Ken...... it's also a bit of a mixed bag in some specific situations. At 200%, the text on the map is beginning to be a bit large when you're zoomed to where you can see lots of streets.

...ken...
Even with this setting:
Tools>Options>MapOptions>Map font size: "Smallest" ?

BTW, I whipped up a sample file, importing some Pilot Travel Center locations from their store list.

While this is not the type of POI that I expect would be the most beneficial to handle this way in S&T (because they're all there in googlemaps and many other apps), the Pilot/Flying J list had plenty of fields to work with. Pilot has more info about their stores (like what restaurant it has), but this approach would work equally well for POI Factory files too.

The key thing with any of these lists is (so far) the Lat&Long in any of the lists have been close enough that google maps *always* finds the named place when told to look for it at that spot (while zoomed @ 18z), and then the URL automatically changes to the one I really want: the google.com/maps info page for any given POI. Then that URL is easily captured, probably in a highly automated way, too.

Since Excel lets me embed HTML in short names, I tried embedding the google info URL into the Name ("Pilot #...") text of each record. But S&T didn't import that... however, after playing with the Pushpin Properties>Hyperlink, I think it MIGHT do that with the correct settings.

So, back to the first approach, which has the full URL in a field named "INFO" at the bottom (using "Metropolitan Area" in the import wizard), but other choices work too; all field choices do is determine where that field's data is displayed. There are several additional fields available (not used in this test) which could hold other data.

Attached in the test file, which I just saved from S&T2013.

And here what it looks like. The blue text at bottom of each flag is a live link
that opens into thegoogle.com/maps info page for each POI.
There are enough spare fields to put another URL too.



Here, just the names are turned on:
Attached Images
test-3.png   test-3a.png  
Attached Files
File Type: stt Pilot Travel Center TEST r3.stt (218.5 KB)
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Even with this setting:
Tools>Options>MapOptions>Map font size: "Smallest" ?
That works.

...ken...
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