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Ken in Regina
Looks like there will be a new 7 inch laptop Windows PC available pretty quickly.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/a-windows-10-pc-that-fits-in-your-pocket-tiny-gpd-laptop-on-sale-for-500/

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Marvin Hlavac
Not bad at all. Even the hard drive is of a decent size. The 128GB drive would fit everything I currently have on my laptop, but it wouldn't leave much space for more stuff. Nice unit, though, very very nice. Right now, the exchange rate is not very favorable for us Canadians to do any cross border shopping, though. :-(
tcassidy
I can't see any advantage over a Microsoft Surface 3. Pretty much the same processor and a bigger screen plus a micro SD port. No USB C and extra for the keyboard in that price range plus only 4G memory but way more reliable support.

Terry
GoneNomad
IMO, 7 inch is barely large enough for Android's simplified mobile-centric UI , and way too small for Windows, which is fundamentally a mouse-driven desktop UI with concessions/compromises for touch-screen operation, but very little optimization for a device this small.

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"...the planned retail price of $599, and is now from GPD's Aliexpress page for a pre-order price of $500."
$500 will buy a basic laptop or convertible, or as Terry pointed out, a Surface 3... even a Surface 3 LTE can be bought for less.
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Ken in Regina
If you put Windows 10 into tablet mode the user interface will be just fine on a 7 inch device. These things have a capacitive touchscreen so they'll work fine in tablet mode.

And it will still allow you to run "desktop" apps if you occasionally need to. Anyone who has ever used Lenovo laptops with the little pointer stick can tell you that they're at least as easy to use as swiping around a screen and an excellent mouse alternative.

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Ken in Regina
It needs to be pointed out that a Surface 3 is not the functional equivalent of these little laptops. The Surface 3 runs Windows RT. It's a severely limited form of Windows that's going nowhere, These little laptops come with full Windows 10.

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tcassidy
I have no 7 inch Windows tablets but I don't think that is of concern. Windows 10 on an 8 inch tablet is very usable. My main concern is dealing with a Chinese company when support is required. I tried to resolve a possible problem with the NuVision one (sold in Microsoft stores) and was quite disappointed. Can't imagine what an indiegogo one would be like. Not worth the price to find out in my opinion!

I wonder what the GPS situation might be like with a Surface 3 LTE.

Terry
tcassidy
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
It needs to be pointed out that a Surface 3 is not the functional equivalent of these little laptops. The Surface 3 runs Windows RT. It's a severely limited form of Windows that's going nowhere, These little laptops come with full Windows 10.

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The Surface 3 is NOT RT. It runs Win 10 Home!

Terry
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Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
The Surface 3 is NOT RT. It runs Win 10 Home!

Terry
Are you talking about a Surface 3 or Surface Pro 3?

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Ken in Regina
Oops, I just checked and the Surface 3 is a real Wintel device, not a follow-on to the Surface 2 as I assumed. Sorry.

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GoneNomad
Windows RT was Steven Sinofsky's ill-conceived brainchild.

Ironic how much money guys like that get paid to cook up doomed-to-fail ideas like RT, which was widely recognized as such early on... but his boss (Ballmer), not having much more of a clue, let it ride for another round.
Both of them are gone now, and so it is RT.

And the left-over Surface 3 4GB/128GB LTE tablets are a great value at under $400.

And anyone who wants to fiddle with Windows on a $500 7" screen can go right ahead.
Not for me.
Then again, I was one of those who thought "epic failure" about RT from the very beginning, so...

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Ken in Regina
Sinofsky had a vision. That vision is still very much alive and going forward in three very significant ways.

First, there was the part of the vision that saw Windows running on non-Intel hardware. It's still very much alive and moving forward as we've seen in recent announcements about Windows 10 being very close to running on ARM technology.

Second, there was the part of the vision that saw Windows running on tablets and other small portable devices, with a proper tablet/touch interface. That has been in Windows 10 from the beginning and improving significantly with each new release.

Third was the part of the vision that saw hugely increased security from things like only being able to install and run apps from a tightly managed Windows Store, "sandboxing" of apps, and a variety of other measures to be implemented inside the operating system. Windows 10 S illustrates how far that has advanced. And it continues to get major additions in Windows 10 with each new release.

As a "fast ring" Insider I can tell you that even though the security enhancements coming in the Fall Creators Update are not getting the same coverage as the new user functions, they are actually more significant. But who cares about that "under the covers" stuff, anyway?

We can likely all agree that Windows RT was not a spectacular success. This is not unusual for Version 1 of many things. But I disagree that the vision was wrong/bad/failed. It was merely a Version 1. All of the current evidence supports that. The three items above continue to be primary drivers in Windows 10 ongoing development.

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Boyd
Well Windows 7 Pro is a disaster on my HP Slate tablet (which is 8" IIRC), but I blame that on HP... a 1024x600 pixel screen isn't enough for any modern computer, and the ARM processor is way too slow. Basically it's a netbook with a touchscreen. And it's also a terrible touchscreen!
tcassidy
I have a 10" Fujitsu tablet with a similar Atom processor to the HP Slate. Touch is fair but that Atom is just too gutless. The difference between Win 7 and Win 10 really bought me nothing. The 8" Asus M80TA and Dell Venue Pro have the next generation Atom which is quite nice and runs Win 10 well.

Terry
SpadesFlush
Ten inches is about as small as I think I can stand for a Windows laptop; there just is not enough screen acreage for some of the things I find myself doing. And I could not go back to such a small SSD or HD.

As for navigation, I have settled into a pattern of macro-trip-planning with S&T/AR with everything else done using Google Calendar with map references imbedded in the calendar entries which will then "automatically" link to Google maps with all its live navigational capabilities. Most of that is done on a computer (desk or laptop) and synced to my Android phone with its own dashboard caddie. I guess the Viliv S5 is in retirement although, like me, still more-or-less functional.

[From Leipzig but no, I flew this time rather than drive.]
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