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Ken in Regina
Sorry, I have to vent. I just bought a slightly used Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with their latest sooper-dooper keyboard cover.

It sucks for me.

First let me say that I've always preferred function over style in those situations where I'm forced to choose.

The Good... The keyboard spacing and feedback from the mechanical action of the keys is a large improvement over the earlier/cheaper models. And it's real pretty with the furry fabric.

The Bad... The letters are white on really light grey. Unless you have perfect vision or you are a perfect touch typist who never has to look at the keyboqrd, you'll hate this from the start. And it has no backlight on the keys so if you ever use it in situations with lower light levels you'll hate it even more.

Fortunately the Touch keyboard for my Surface Pro 3 has white on black keys and backlighting. I'll take visibility over the other features every time. So I've switched.

It's unfortunate that I have to even make the choice on such a new premium product. Boo, Microsoft!!

...ken...
tcassidy
White on light grey! Funny I haven't seen complaints about that on the TPCR site. Certainly enough comments about the Alcantra but nobody mentioned the keys. And that sound truly yucky and difficult. What about people like me that have to look at the keyboard the whole time and hope the letters on the screen are right!!

Terry
tcassidy
Too bad they aren't available in other colours except grey in Canada. Maybe a dark blue or dark red would be better.

Terry
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Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Too bad they aren't available in other colours except grey in Canada. Maybe a dark blue or dark red would be better.

Terry
That still would not solve the lack of backlighting.


...ken...
tcassidy
Oh wait! That is only the Surface Pro (2017)

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Oh wait! That is only the Surface Pro (2017)

Terry
You lost me there. ??

...ken...
tcassidy
The grey model was for the Surface Pro 4 so that is what you have. Now it is offered in 3 colours for the Surface Pro (2017). I don't know if those a backwards compatible with the Pro 4.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Even if it is it doesn't help me. I'm darned if I'll spend another $200 for one that's pretty but has no backlight.

...ken...
GoneNomad
Ken, I feel your pain. Ever tried a Logitech K810? I know that means another device to charge, but...

Samsung just intro'd a bunch of new laptops this year, and they made the same choice (which IMO is a huge mistake) with most of them: light silver keys with barely visible characters that at some point have to become light on a 'dark' key background when the backlighting takes over.

Samsung's previous models had proper black keys with white letters, which offer maximum contrast in any ambient lighting.

The reason this is especially annoying to me is Samsung's Series 9 laptops are the only ones I know of with a special 'outdoor mode' that boosts brightness to 600-700 nits (on some models). AFAIK, no other laptop comes close.

I would be buying one of the 2015 Series 9 Pro laptops, but I discovered that they have a so-called "PenTile" displays that don't actually provide the full claimed resolution, and those models weren't offered with a 1080p display.

If it's not that, it's skimping on ports, or it's not including a full-size card reader. It's always something.
Ken in Regina
I'm done trying Windows portable things for now. I determined with my Surface Pro 3 that it's exactly the combination I'm looking for. Its strengths suit me beautifully. Its weaknesses either don't affect me or so little they don't matter.

The only issue with my SP3 is the hard drive is only 64GB; insufficient for what I want to do with it. I decided if I was going to upgrade to another Surface Pro to get a larger drive I would look at also moving to a newer one. I got lucky and found a lightly use SP4 - i5, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD for a decent price.

So I'm done. I'll use the SP3 keyboard on the SP4 and let the SP4 keyboard go with the SP3 when I finally get around to selling it.

...ken...
Marvin Hlavac
I love black letters on white keys. I find it better than white on black, or any other color combination.
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Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
I love black letters on white keys. I find it better than white on black, or any other color combination.
I agree. But it's a combination that's difficult to find, especially in this time of fancy designor colors.

...ken...
tcassidy
I bought a lighted keyboard once - not because it was lighted but because the letters wouldn't wear off. But I hated the feel of it so much I gave it to a friend.

Terry
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
I love black letters on white keys. I find it better than white on black, or any other color combination.
Black characters on light or white keys works fine in a normally illuminated environment, but is basically incompatible with backlighting, making them almost useless in the dark... as in a vehicle.

AFAIC, once you get used to a mechanical keyboard, it's difficult to go back to a membrane type.
It's not just the key switches, but also the stepped layout of the keys that most membrane switch keyboards lack.
Marvin Hlavac
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
I agree. But it's a combination that's difficult to find, especially in this time of fancy designor colors.

...ken...
Very, very difficult indeed. It's likely almost impossible to find keyboards (or devices with keyboards) with white keys and large black letters that are centered (as opposed to smaller letters in a corner of the keys). The keyboard on the picture in my previous post actually came with white letters on black keys. I didn't like them. I replaced the keys with custom made ones (ordered from www.wasdkeyboards.com ).

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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Black characters on light or white keys works fine in a normally illuminated environment, but is basically incompatible with backlighting, making them almost useless in the dark... as in a vehicle
That's true. :-(
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