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werdnanostaw
I have a Lenovo Miix 510 with an included "tear off" keyboard. It has backlit white characters on black keys. It is described as a MS Surface clone including a flipout stand.

It has now been superceded by the Miix 720. I knew it was in runout mode when I bought it for $400 AUD less than RRP (Recommended Retail Price - it is illegal in Australia for distributors to engage in retail price maintenance; they can only recommend a selling price. The selling company can sell a product for whatever they wish to.)

It also comes with a stylus so 2 plusses over the MS Surfaces.

https://www.cnet.com/au/products/lenovo-miix-510/review/

I haven't used it for intensive typing - that will happen when we are in USA starting in 7 weeks - but I can type easily on it EXCEPT that it can be used raised at back or flat on desk. In the former mode the keyboard is too flexible and it sometimes swallows keystrokes so I have to use it in the latter mode.

The keyboard is all plastic so it doesn't have any furry areas to retain jammy, greasy finger marks.

However, the case I bought for it does have furriness. This could be a problem as Christine is using it as her kitchen benchtop recipe PC.

Maybe I should wrap the keyboard in plastic cling film.
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by Marvin Hlavac
...The keyboard on the picture in my previous post actually came with white letters on black keys. I didn't like them. I replaced the keys with custom made ones (ordered from www.wasdkeyboards.com )
Here's another source for mechanical keyboards, many of which have different color options:
mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/

I prefer stiffer keys, and that was the only source for a keyboard with TACTILE GREY CHERRY MX keyswitches, which have 80g springe force & a tactile bump (but no click).

ref.: mechanicalkeyboards.com/mechanical_switches.php
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Ken in Regina
Just to circle this back to the original rant, in this case the keyboard is on a Microsoft Surface Pro 4. Therefore, the options are quite limited.

I've got my Surface Pro 3 keyboard (white on black, smart backlighting) on the Surface Pro 4 now. The only thing I really miss from the other keyboard is the key spacing. There is no spacing between keys on the standard Surface Pro keyboard so it's easy to get two letters at a time if you aren't careful about where you hit a key. The bit of added spacing between keys on the newer more expensive one makes a surprisingly big difference in that regard.

...ken...
tcassidy
The black backlighted Surface Pro 4 keyboard is only $120 on Amazon Canada if it is really important.

Terry
tcassidy
Or maybe you could find someone who would like to trade for your Alcantra one.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Sorry if I've created any confusion. As per the original post I merely wanted to rant. And as I said in that post and another more recent one I've solved my problem by switching to my Surface Pro 3 keyboard.

When I finally get the SP4 set up to my satisfaction I'll likely sell the SP3. I'll put the newer more expensive Alcantra keyboard with it to add value.

...ken...
GoneNomad
It's not confusing.

What you got with the SP4:


Small characters on medium gray keys. It sucks. I can see that.

What you're using now:

Keys have no space between them. It also sucks. I can see that, too.

But other folks also have rants/suggestions of their own they wanted to share!
And the fact is, with a tablet-type device (no attached keyboard), there are other options besides the OEM keyboard made specifically for the device.

What you might like better, if you tried it:

Separate keyboard allows for more convenient/ergonomic location instead of attached to the display.
Lots of space between keys (helps avoid typos in a less-than-steady mobile environment).
Superb backlighting that turns on automatically.
Can be used with two other BT devices simply by hitting a switch... including almost any Android phone.
All for less than the cost of the MS key cover. It was US$75 as a "Prime Day" special. It usually is on sale for around $50 in late November.
I have two K810s, and except for the full-size K800 extended keyboard, I wouldn't use any other wireless keyboard
(except for something like this or this on an HTPC).
tcassidy
I've had one of those mini BT Logitech for years. Its fine for what it does. The Rii one, I'm not so sure. I have a Rii BT keyboard (smaller than that) and don't think much of it.

Terry
GoneNomad
I only recommend those last two for use with a Home Theater PC, or "Smart TV" or set-top streaming box (if compatible).

As for the Rii one, they have an older version on Amazon for $13. For under twenty bucks end-users should expect they'll be doing the only QC the unit gets.
Ken in Regina
Thanks for your thoughts, GoneNomad. Yep, those are the two Surface Pro keyboards I have.

If I want to use a non-Surface Pro keyboard I already have multiple options kicking around here. The most likely first choice would be an original full size Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard. Yeah it would take the USB port but I don't use the port often enough for that to be a showstopper.

...ken...
tcassidy
Ok. Everything I have read about the signature keyboard says it is lighted. How come yours isn't.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Ok. Everything I have read about the signature keyboard says it is lighted. How come yours isn't.

Terry
Darned if I know. Perhaps it is but there is too little contrast for me to tell?

I just checked Microsoft Canada's site again. There is no mention of backlighting for the grey one. I found a burgundy one listed this time and it does specifically mention backlighting.

I see Best Buy Canada does mention backlighting for the grey one. So I'll check again tonite and report back. Perhaps it is defective.

...ken...
tcassidy
I was looking at Staples today. They didn't have a signature one or any new SPs. The laptop is grey Alcantra and the guy pointed out the key ( was it F5) that turned the keyboard light on. Of course we couldn't see whether it was on or not in the bright store!

Terry
Ken in Regina
Thanks Terry. That was it! It's the F2 key to turn it on and increase the brightness, F1 to decrease brightness and turn it off.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Just an update to the original rant, I'm back to the original SP4 keyboard on the SP4, thanks to Terry's tip, above, on how to turn the backlighting on. I've found that the better typing operation of the newer keyboard is worth the tradeoff of the poorer visibility of the white-on-grey key lettering. I can live with it in good lighting and having enabled the backlighting takes care of the poorer lighting conditions.

...ken...
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