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nickndfl
I currently run S&T on a W7 laptop for business and it's perfect for my offline needs and navigation. I don't want to go to a tablet to add an extra device, but still use Google maps on my cell as a supplement.

I have a W10 laptop I can outfit with a new copy of S&T, but cannot get it to register @ MS.

Does anybody know how to get into the registry to bypass registration?

What is the best substitute for S&T on W10? Can I use the S&T GPS dongle?

Thx!
SpadesFlush
Sorry, Nick, almost nobody home here any more. We're like some old codgers in a Nevada mining town that know everyone's left but we're still hanging on. Hence, the delayed and paltry response as follows.

When you specify "best substitute for S&T", sadly no substitutes have appeared or are likely to appear. Google Maps and I suppose other such phone-oriented apps have sucked all the developmental oxygen out of the software labs for the large and easily-pleased consumer market. That leaves the harder stuff for the hyper-technical users which never really were satisfied by S&T. Dead End.

As for registration, there is probably no one still at MSFT who remembers S&T let alone might give you a "registration." Even if "bypassing" registration were possible and I doubt that, there may be some legalistics that would raise some issues for users and sharers.

Some ardent S&T users have adjusted partially to Google Maps and I put myself in that camp. There are pluses and minuses. It is a bit like telling a kid from Kansas he had to learn Swahili and as soon as he gets good at that saying to him no, you meant Mongolian.

Google Maps does some things brilliantly that S&T never touched, so I wind up feeling net ahead and use S&T for only some of those hard-to-reach itches.
werdnanostaw
See my rambling comments in the post below for a discussion of the issues of getting S&T/AR running on a new PC.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5614-authenticating-autoroute-2013-a

The short version is:

1. Acquire copies of the 2007 versions. They weren't copy protected so they will install on as many PCs as you wish.

2. Use trial versions. The 2013 versions only last 14 days. Previous versions lasted, I think, 60 days.

Run them in an old version of Windows such as XP in a virtual PC such as VirtualBox or VMWare and throw the virtual PC away and use another one whenever the trial runs out.

You can still download the 2013 trial versions here. I just downloaded them, again, (Irish backup strategy - To be sure, to be sure) and they worked:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/autoroute/free-trial.aspx

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30173

Send me a private message if you require "assistance" getting a copy of the 2007 trials or a licenced copy of XP.

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This is a subject dear to my heart as we are leaving in 3 weeks for 5 weeks in Europe (Paris -> Spain and Portugal to hopefully avoid cold -> depart from Madrid) and I need to setup AR on a rebuilt PC.

I had said previously that we were going to be in USA about now but we had to cancel trip because my 91 year old, live at home alone mother rejected the in-home support we had arranged. "I'm not old. I don't need anyone to look after me. Even if you organise care I will cancel it as soon as you leave."

We can go away on the forthcoming trip because my sister who lives in London will be in Perth for Xmas for 5 weeks to take over support.
Boyd
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Originally Posted by SpadesFlush
It is a bit like telling a kid from Kansas he had to learn Swahili and as soon as he gets good at that saying to him no, you meant Mongolian.
I'd say it's more like telling an old guy with a slide rule that he needs to learn how to use a calculator and as soon as he gets good at that saying that he needs to learn how to use a computer. Then as soon as he gets good at that saying he needs to learn how to use a tablet or phone.

That's just the way our technological world is. Evolve or you will turn into a fossil.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by nickndfl
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What is the best substitute for S&T on W10? Can I use the S&T GPS dongle?
Windows 10 comes with a built in app called Maps. Just look under "M" in the apps list on the pop-up menu when you hit the Start key or icon. It's not S&T but it's pretty powerful in it's own right.

You will likely need to jump through some hoops to get the original S&T dongle to work but it should. I'm about to head out the door for the day so no time to find and point you at threads that describe things that Maps does and how to get the dongle to work with a universal app like Maps. Perhaps one of the other guys can help with that.

...ken...
tcassidy
I think the thread Ken was considering regarding using an S&T dongle win Maps in Windows 10 is this one;

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5572-getting-gps-receiver-work-windows-8-x-10-a-p2

The software required is GPSReverse which is part of GPSComplete from https://www.turboirc.com/gps7/.

Be sure to check the manual on that page as it is a bit tricky to get working.

Terry
Ken in Regina
Thanks Terry.

As far as the various features and functions in Windows Maps, there are a number of discussions in the "Microsoft" section. Most of them have "Windows Maps" somewhere in the title of the discussion thread. That won't catch everything but it's a good place to start.

...ken...
werdnanostaw
The TurboIRC GPS Direct software that converts the signal from a NMEA GPS to Windows sensor input costs USD 11.60.

A UBlox7 GPS dongle that is a Windows sensor and also a NMEA GPS is USD 7.82 on eBay.

Not a very tough call. You get a brand new GPS that uses GPS and GLONASS compared to using your old GPS for less money (33% less).

I think TurboIRC need to bring their pricing model into alignment with the real world. When hardware that does the same thing as their software is available for less money there is a serious mismatch with reality.

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_odkw=ublox+gps&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p20...=ublox7+gps&_sacat=0

See my report on features of UBlox7 here:

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5615-u-blox7-usb-gps
tcassidy
I have never had the free evaluation version of TurboIRC expire. On the other hand, I have never been able to get that ublox gps you mentioned give me a location sensor reading. Could be just me though.

Terry
werdnanostaw
This is the first time I have tried to use an image on this forum. I have seen the multi-image in body of text posts you guys produce but the only option I can see that uses a file on my PC is Attachments. The Insert Image option wants a URL as input.

How do you do it please?

Device Manager screen capture showing UBlox7 as Virtual COM port and as Location Sensor in Windows 10 Home, 64 bit, 1709.

Windows Tip: From W10 1703 onwards you can use WIN+SHIFT+S to capture portion of screen.
Attached Images
ublox7.jpg  
werdnanostaw
I've gone into W10 Maps and it shows that I am Home but it knows that anyway. How would I know that it is using GPS data without walking down the street in my pyjamas (it's 06:59 here) with a PC in my hands?

Windows Tip: When you are in the W10 Start menu (Left Click Windows flag or press Windows flag key) to get to Maps quickly you can:

1. Left Click on any heading to collapse list to just show headings and then click M to expand the M section.

OR

2. Press TAB twice and then press M to jump to first item starting with M.

OR

3. Start typing MAPS and then press ENTER when Maps is displayed.
Ken in Regina
Andrew and Terry, I've added how to get uBlox Sensor driver for the 7 and others that can use it to Andrew's thread about the uBlox7.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5615-u-blox7-usb-gps#post52002

By the way, Andrew, in your post above, the link to ebay takes you to a model that can't be used on a computer at all. Check the connector on the end of the pigtail. If someone mistakenly buys it they're going to be really disappointed!!

...ken...
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by werdnanostaw
I've gone into W10 Maps and it shows that I am Home but it knows that anyway. How would I know that it is using GPS data without walking down the street in my pyjamas (it's 06:59 here) with a PC in my hands?

Windows Tip: When you are in the W10 Start menu (Left Click Windows flag or press Windows flag key) to get to Maps quickly you can:

1. Left Click on any heading to collapse list to just show headings and then click M to expand the M section.

2. Press TAB twice and then press M to jump to first item starting with M.

3. Start typing MAPS and then press ENTER when Maps is displayed.
There's a much easier method:

1. Click the Start menu,
2. Start typing "maps",
3. When "Maps" appears as the highlighted item click to launch it.

Don't worry about typing in any box. Just pop the Start menu and start typing.

There's another approach that works, too:

1. Click the Start Menu,
2. Click any letter heading (A, B, C ...) in the menu,
3. An alphabet window will appear,
4. Click "M",
5. You'll jump straight to the M portion of the start menu.

...ken...
werdnanostaw
On my PC eBay shows a list of items. The GPS dongle is the second one in the list.

Do an eBay search in your own country's version of eBay with the search term "UBlox7 GPS" if eBay is giving funny results because you aren't in Oz.

Interesting. When I add dongle to search term, "UBlox7 GPS dongle", I still get get the Flight Controller item you are presumably talking about but it is further down the list.

The first UBlox7 found is dearer at USD 10.23. It shows that you've got to hunt around and try different search terms to get the cheapest price.
werdnanostaw
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
There's a much easier method:

1. Click the Start menu,
2. Start typing "maps",
3. When "Maps" appears as the highlighted item click to launch it.

Don't worry about typing in any box. Just pop the Start menu and start typing.

There's another approach that works, too:

1. Click the Start Menu,
2. Click any letter heading (A, B, C ...) in the menu,
3. An alphabet window will appear,
4. Click "M",
5. You'll jump straight to the M portion of the start menu.

...ken...
Me puzzled.

Your first item is my third item.

Your second item is my first item.
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