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Copilot RV on Win7-64 laptop?
matt
Boyd,
You were right that I needed to update the sigfile. It turns out that I had not updated it since I joined this board.

I know the laptop is old, but with the regular fights that I have with 8, 8.1 and 10, welcome the stability. In 50 years of running computers, I never physically assaulted any computer until Windows.....
The only current acceptable replacement is over 2K$us and after BHO cleaned my out with the abrogation, we can't blow that kind of cash and still do the traveling we have planned.

If you are traveling without an navigator, then there must be a whole lot of pre-planing that we don't do. We don't have the time for that.

We travel with a GPS for the driver that the navigator loads the day's drive and then after departure, the navigator will use what is available to search the planned route and possible diversions for things of interest. As soon as we are off the blue roads, internet is tough to use even with the 3watt repeater onboard. Internet is provided buy one Android and the laptop is also working with a USB GPS for real time location. The Androids are also reporting traffic as is the Garmin. Android is usually better.

As to what the coach is, it is a 1973 GMC that is getting an engine refresh this winter as it has 178K on it. It left the plant in Pontiac short after we married, but we have only had it for 12 years. we usually put 8~10k on it a season, but this year will be less because someone wants to be in town with GC #6 arrives.

I feel sorry for you traveling alone. We get as much from sharing as we do just by getting places. Stuck in a Bison jam is just a thing for the dogs, but the Rune stones and Indian mounds make a better stop. We have pulled stops at places DW read about and I was fascinated. I can also write a list of famous museums that are not all that good.

Matt
matt
Well,
Until I get a response from ALK, CoPilot consumer is on hold. It seems to be for Windows 8 phone. So until I can afford a 15" tablet (actually 12 would do) and it can't be Apple. After I won the case, they said that they would never do business with me again and I guess I don't mind. So it looks like ALK is probably not going to be anymore help than Google or Garmin....
I think they don't actually know that either of them could own the RV market in a heartbeat if they only paid a little attention. Yes, Garmin has a RV unit, but excursion planning is something they have never even looked at as best I can tell.

Matt -
Boyd
I think you misunderstand me. I don't have an RV. I don't go on big road trips. I never plan anything. I just get in my car and drive when I feel the need to wander.

I put my money into a nice secluded home on land that borders on thousands of acres of state forests, have my own wild stream and a nice secluded campsite on it. After retiring in 2011, I find more and more satisfaction right here with no need to travel anywhere.

Glad that you are able to enjoy your kind of lifestyle, I have a friend that does the same (although by himself as his wife died many years ago). For me, the idea of being imprisoned in a big RV with someone "navigating" (and nagging) next to me would be like a prison sentence, LOL.

I am still using Windows 7 on my desktop PC which is only used to run GIS software and make maps. A little 11" MacBook Air with 8gb RAM and a 512gb SSD is my main computer for general use, and a quad core Mac Mini with 16gb RAM, a 1TB SSD and over 20TB of hard drives is a dedicated video editing machine. Then I have another more modest Mac Mini as a media server with over 600 movies and 600 TV shows.

Have tried using laptops in the car, had a couple netbooks and still have a Windows 7 tablet. Was never very satisfied with any of these. Still have an 8" Android tablet but don't use it anymore either. My iPhone 6s Plus (5.5" screen) is used for all my navigation needs now. Have been through thousands of dollars of dedicated Garmin GPS units and don't use any of them anymore either.

Happy travels, you are very fortunate to have found a lifestyle that works well for your and your wife.
tcassidy
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Originally Posted by matt
Well,
Until I get a response from ALK, CoPilot consumer is on hold. It seems to be for Windows 8 phone. So until I can afford a 15" tablet (actually 12 would do) and it can't be Apple. After I won the case, they said that they would never do business with me again and I guess I don't mind. So it looks like ALK is probably not going to be anymore help than Google or Garmin....
I think they don't actually know that either of them could own the RV market in a heartbeat if they only paid a little attention. Yes, Garmin has a RV unit, but excursion planning is something they have never even looked at as best I can tell.

Matt -
You didn't see the link in a previous post?

https://copilotgps.com/en-us/getcopilot/windows/

The cheap version is definitely for Windows. I have tried it on Win 10 but it says 7, 8, and 10. I can test it if you are concerned as I do have a Win 7 64 bit computer as well.

Terry
tcassidy
But excursion planning is not really a strong point in CoPilot either. Multiple stops and rerouting are fairly simple tasks though.

Terry
matt
Terry,

Thanks for the link. I guess I did something wrong. When I got to then download page it only offered Ios, Android, (something) and Windows 10 phone.
I will try again.
The excursion planning, I will be able to do with SA for a few more years, but the specific in route is getting tough. There are lots of changed roads and intersections.

Matt
tcassidy
Yes, ALK does not make it easy to find that link!

Up-to-date maps is one reason I am concerned about the CoPilot Windows product overall. They have never been good about updating maps for this product line and -I suspect - won't be getting better.

Terry
matt
Well, I have it, but I have to get with support. Among other things, I can't make it scroll so I have can have access to the lower half of the set up pages. I have tried everything I know.

Matt
matt
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Originally Posted by matt
Well, I have it, but I have to get with support. Among other things, I can't make it scroll so I have can have access to the lower half of the set up pages. I have tried everything I know.

Matt
I found it by accident. You have to drag the page up!!
tcassidy
Try using the mouse to move that thin scroll bar on the right. A pain I know but it really wants a touch screen.

Terry
tcassidy
I see what you mean. After doing that with the mouse the mouse wheel even works.

Terry
DieselBoss
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
But excursion planning is not really a strong point in CoPilot either. Multiple stops and rerouting are fairly simple tasks though.

Terry
I did a video a while back on complex trip planning for truckers. This is more extreme than an RVer would use, but you get the idea. Add waypoints by (a) clicking a spot, or (b) typing and address, or (c) entering a lat/long, or (d) "dragging" the route line.

Multi-stop permit route plan GPS CoPilot Truck demo
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by DieselBoss
I did a video a while back on complex trip planning for truckers. This is more extreme than an RVer would use, but you get the idea. Add waypoints by (a) clicking a spot, or (b) typing and address, or (c) entering a lat/long, or (d) "dragging" the route line.

Multi-stop permit route plan GPS CoPilot Truck demo
Don - Unfortunately, the "Route Through Here" button shown @ 7:03 doesn't always work, at least not on CoPilot for Windows, version 9.6.4.551

The problem seems to be related to the prominence of the road attempting to route through along with the zoom level (it's more likely to ignore waypoints added on smaller roads located using higher zoom levels), but it doesn't always exhibit this problem. When it does, the route can be recalculated repeatedly but it will always ignore the waypoint added using that "Route Through Here" button.

Converting it to a stop causes the waypoint to be included in the route, after which it can be changed back to a waypoint.

However, the "More Info" button leads to this screen:

where the "Delete.../Route Through.../Avoid..." options are repeated
(not sure WHY, but that's typical CoPilot clunkiness, just like constantly zooming back out every time a change is made),
and the "Route Through Here" on that secondary screen seems to work reliably.


I used one of the semi-infamous test routes: St. Louis to the rest stop outside Paducah, KY, then chose to manually force the route through a short-cut using State Route 286:


It adds the waypoint, which then shows up in the list on the "Plan or Edit Trip" screen.
(Unfortunately, the plotted route itself isn't visible there, though it *should* be).

But no matter how many times the "Calculate Route" button is tapped, the result is the same - it ignores the manually added Waypoint.


But that's not the only problem with adding waypoints:
In the example below, it allowed two waypoints to be added to the route without actually including them into the calculated route,
but it also drastically altered a DIFFERENT PART of the route - and for the worse - by adding an 80-mile long loop way off to the west north-west
of where the two waypoints (which it did not route through) were added:

GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
However, if you want to try it in Windows, it is not worth getting the truck version to start. Delorme had no RV features that I recall so you could easily determine whether CoPilot was even worth trying for a measly $20. If it does the things you need then you can consider spending the big bucks to tailor it for your RV use!

Terry
After doing some testing of the RV mode in the basic ($20) version of CoPilot for Windows, it's my opinion that the dedicated RV version probably is not worth it, unless you have a vehicle that's tall enough to routinely have insufficient overhead clearance. And that's assuming that CoPilot has all that data mostly correct (I'm skeptical, considering how inaccurate the rest of their map data is in too many instances).

I built several routes where a real RV or truck mode should have taken a very slightly longer route to stay on the highway longer, to avoid having to make several turns on narrow city streets to get to the stop, but in all cases CoPilot's "RV Mode" came up with the same route as if a passenger car was the vehicle type. The only difference I noticed is that "RV Mode" makes the trip take longer, without actually changing the route. Maybe "RV Mode" does increase the preference for highways vs. surface streets, but I didn't see any evidence of that.
matt
I have been playing with Co-pilot on and off for some time now and cannot figure out how to use it to my advantage. For route planning, it does work and it does acknowledge the attached GPS, so it has newer charts than does Delomre, but there seems to be no capability to determine end of day and predict required fuel stops. Those are the two things that I valued most in SA. It might serve a purpose for enroute navigation, but I will not be able to determine that for some months.

Matt
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