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Issues installing Copilot V9 Laptop on Panasonic CF-30 running Windows 7
The_Paladin
Don and Ken, thank you both for the assistance and encouragement. There IS some good news in this, though it's a story, to be sure.

Yesterday, I had in-service training at one of the state police barracks. As close as I am to my second retirement, there was, of course, a lot of good-natured ribbing going on. I was speaking with one of the trooper sergeants about my retirement plans, and the subject of travel came up. I related my woes of GPS, and he tells me he has a FANTASTIC program on his laptop, it's called "Copilot GPS"...

I go on to explain my frustrations, and reveal that I have even referred the issue to a group of experts, to no avail. He advises me that the regional maintenance facility is a part of this barracks, and maybe the folk there could help. Having said this, we go back with my vehicle, and they say "Sure, we'll take a look"...

4 hours later during lunch, I check in to see what's up. There are 4 people gathered around my vehicle who appear to be speaking in tongues. I keep walking...

Fast forward 5 hours, and the day is over. I go back to find the maintenance facility closed and locked with my vehicle still in there.

I get a ride home from the trooper who conned me into leaving the truck with them (thank GOD I'm the chief, or there would have been a LOT of explaining to do...) My wife drives me to the barracks this morning, and I go to my vehicle. I get in, open the laptop, and see THIS:

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Oh. My. GOD!!!

I go to the shop, and am greeted by all four guys I saw working on the issue. In the end, after trying every conceivable available graphics driver and, according to them, MANY other "fixes", one of them had the idea to disable the display adapter in CP. The program displayed the instant they disabled it...

While not an ideal solution, it works, and I ain't gonna complain. Oh, and I also now have a new iPhone 8 Plus. I am convinced my "smart" phone is smarter than I am...

Thank you all for EVERYTHING, and Don--your offer to help is one of the most profoundly kind offers I've seen in my many years circling the Sun. Thank you, sir-from the bottom of my heart. What an amazing community you are!

-Tim
tcassidy
What is a display adapter? Are you running an external display from the laptop?

Terry
Ken in Regina
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What is a display adapter? Are you running an external display from the laptop?

Terry
I don't currently have CoPilot installed on my Surface Pro 4 so I can't check. But in my fuzzy memory I seem to recall a Setting in CoPilot to select display settings like resolution, etc. It's possible there may be a setting to take the resolution from the system settings or force it manually? It has been awhile so I might be thinking of some other program...

...ken...
GoneNomad
The Toughbook CF-30 has only the built-in Intel graphics chipset, so it can't be a matter of disabling the separate GPU abd reverting back to the Intel graphics.

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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
I don't currently have CoPilot installed on my Surface Pro 4 so I can't check. But in my fuzzy memory I seem to recall a Setting in CoPilot to select display settings like resolution, etc. It's possible there may be a setting to take the resolution from the system settings or force it manually? It has been awhile so I might be thinking of some other program......ken...
Probably some other program. I checked the CoPilot 9.6.4 on a Win7 desktop (that I was eventually able to install only after many requests for assistance from ALK's "customer service" andf threatening to get my CC company to reverse the charge), and I see nothing in the settings about display res. Moreover, the OP was originally unable to get any farther than the start-up screen.


Tim,
Glad you got it fixed.
If get a chance to use CoPilot a little, and compare it to Win10Maps on a Win10 device, you'll see what a POS CoPilot is in comparison. That said, CoPilot is a lot better than nothing; it has far better navigation functionality (but far less trip planning capability) than the other alternative for older Windows devices (Streets & Trips). Also, the (more expensive) RV/truck versions of CoPilot are about the only viable solutions for trucks and large RVs for which bridge height matters (assuming ALK has correct overpass data, which I seriously doubt, based on the inaccuracy of other aspects of their maps).

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Ken in Regina
In fairness Windows 10 Maps app has limitations that can be seriously annoying for serious navigation.

...ken...
DieselBoss
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In fairness Windows 10 Maps app has limitations that can be seriously annoying for serious navigation.

...ken...
And it requires a live internet connection. And is selling your every movement and usage stats to advertisers.
tcassidy
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And it requires a live internet connection. And is selling your every movement and usage stats to advertisers.
Sorry DB, that is stretching it! Win 10 maps works fine off line.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Sorry DB, that is stretching it! Win 10 maps works fine off line.

Terry
He's not stretching it, or at least not very much, about the sharing part.

But you're correct about it's ability to work quite nicely offline. As long as you remember to download the necessary maps in advance and when you have a cheap and relatively fast connection.

Windows Maps app is quite superior to Google Maps in that regard. It makes downloading the maps for offline use far ... FAR ... easier than Google. And they don't expire.

I'm finding it somewhat annoying that it keeps asking me to rate it every few times I fire it up. I'm tempted to say yes next time it asks and give it a lousy rating...

One limitation for serious trip planning and use is a maximum of 10 stops, including the starting point and destination.

...ken...
DieselBoss
Ahhh cool. I did not know that you could download Win 10 maps. That will be a good tip I can pass on to the drivers in case their primary truck GPS takes a crap and they need an offline GPS in an emergency. Thanks!
The_Paladin
Nomad,

The process they had me do, which made it work is the following:

Control Panel--Hardware and Sound--Device Manager--Display Adapters--Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.0)

Right Click, select Disable (Select "Yes" when warning box appears)

That's what I've done, and as soon as I click on "Yes", Copilot displays correctly.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not an ideal solution by any means, but it DOES work, and that's really all I'm asking of it right now...

-Tim
Ken in Regina
It shouldn't have any great effect unless you do some sort of specialized graphics stuff. By disabling the specific display adapter it forces Windows to use its own internal "Windows Basic Display Driver". No Harm; No Foul.

In case anyone is interested...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4026648/windows-microsoft-basic-display-adapter-on-windows-10

...ken...
Ken in Regina
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Ahhh cool. I did not know that you could download Win 10 maps. That will be a good tip I can pass on to the drivers in case their primary truck GPS takes a crap and they need an offline GPS in an emergency. Thanks!
Don, in case it's also helpful here's a post Marvin just put up in the Hardware forum about how to use the GPS in your smartphone over a Bluetooth connection to the laptop.

http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/5767-use-your-smartphone-gps-antenna-receiver-your-laptop

I suspect, however, that GPSDirect will be needed to grab the Bluetooth input and transfer it to the Win10 sensor (Win 10 apps generally use "sensors" for input).

I'm hoping to try it today and see what it takes.

...ken...
GoneNomad
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And it requires a live internet connection.
As already noted & acknowledged, that's flat-out wrong. Win10Maps and it's ideological forerunner (Here) have allowed locally-stored maps from the get-go. That was one of Here's original selling points vs. google (which at the time did not allow *ANY* local map caching and stopped working as soon as a data connection was lost).

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And is selling your every movement and usage stats to advertisers.
...which shouldn't be of any concern to anyone who runs Win10 Maps on some other device besides their phone/tablet, eaning it can remain anonymized. It slays me that people never seem to blink about using a PND that can't do anything but navigate, while seeming to only want to use mobile OS apps only on their primary comm device (phone) and then have privacy concerns about such an arrangement. If that's the case, hint: don't use a Android or iOS phone. There are far more secure options for those who are concerned about privacy/security.

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One limitation [of Win10 Maps] for serious trip planning and use is a maximum of 10 stops, including the starting point and destination.
...ken...
...and that's why S&T works so well together with Win10 Maps app. S&T's nav functions are rudimentary at best. The Win10 Maps app fills that hole. And even now, nothing else that does not require an internet connections comes close to S&T for serious trip planning (unless you want to deal with the super-quirky Street Atlas UI). I've never seen any indication that ALK was ever going to move in that direction. Yeah, pun intended.

From the way ALK is talking/acting, we may never even ever see CoPilot v10 for Windows OS. If so, it probably will be even buggier than v9.x (the mobileOS versions aren't as bad in that respect).

I wound up getting the Windows version I have for free, and all things considered it still wasn't worth all the time I expended getting it to work.

ALK can't even manage to provide functional navigation between pages on their own WEBSITE.
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tcassidy
Tim,

Thank you for clarifying that solution. That was probably the reason I didn't recognize your problem on my TX2000 as it is an AMD powered device. It didn't have proper graphics drivers for the Win 7 upgrade so is already running on the basic Microsoft version.

As Ken's link pointed out, that is not the best driver even if it works. The TX2000 runs hotter now and the battery life is considerably reduced.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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As Ken's link pointed out, that is not the best driver even if it works. The TX2000 runs hotter now and the battery life is considerably reduced.

Terry
Now that Tim knows how to disable and enable the Intel driver it should be simple for him to switch whenever he wants to use CoPilot, if it creates any issues using the Windows Basic driver all the time.

...ken...
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