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GoneNomad
Just posting this here temporarily because I get this message when trying to send a PM:
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That's almost four hours...



Send Basecamp routes to PND via WiFi? NOPE
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Do you have to physically connect the PND via USB to get a basecamp-planned route into it? Or if PND has wi-fi, does that work for adding routes & POIs in addition to map updates?
I don't have any with wifi so I'm afraid I can't answer that. Sorry.

...ken...
From some fairly recent posts I've found, even the newest Garmin PNDs that have WiFi (for map updates) cannot accept basecamp routes via WiFi, and users aren't real happy about having to connect a USB cable to a WiFi device in 2018.


Also, it looks like Basecamp itself may be living on borrowed time. It's Garmin's recent track record on kind of thing that makes me very leery of buying into the garmin 'ecosystem' at this late stage. Also, I seem to recall from past experimentation that Basecamp has a lot of features and also has quite a learning curve (so did S&T, but I'm used to that, not Basecamp).
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
OH, Ken!!

The Here WeGo app does not allow multiple stops, but the Android Here WeGo app isn't related to Bing either. ...
Yeah, old habits die hard. I still associate Here with Bing/Microsoft because Here was originally a division of Nokia. And Microsoft owned Nokia at one time. Except they owned what was originally the phone division, not the navigation division.

And Microsoft uses Here for their map data and for the Bing Maps API. And Here makes its offline maps and other features available in Windows through a special Windows SDK.

So many opportunities for confusion <sigh> ...

...ken...
Boyd
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Boyd, I really don't want to expend any more time on this, because it's turning into an argument.
Sorry, I don't want to argue either, just reporting my experience on the iPad

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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
I don't think OS has anything to do with it.
Have to disagree with you here. If you purchase an iPad directly from Apple, or an unlocked iPad from a third party such as Best Buy, it has a pre-installed Apple SIM. You simply go to the cellular data menu in the settings and there you can choose any provider of your choice. You will then view a list of all that provider's data plans. Simply tap the one you want, enter some account info and a credit card number and you're up and running.

When I chose AT&T, it was completely unrelated to my AT&T phone service. Anyone could easily choose that same 2gb/90 day plan regardless of what service they had on their phone.

After choosing the 2gb/90 day plan, there is no need to ever go to any AT&T website for management. This can all be done through the same menu in the settings (if you want to check how much data is left in the plan or when it expires for example). When the plan expires, you simply go back to the settings and buy another one the same way.

Anyway, you have actually pointed out an important difference between iOS and Android. Apple clearly has a much simpler system for purchasing and activating data plans, and you can completely avoid going to carrier websites, talking to representatives, etc. Simply choose your plan, pay for it, and be happy.

For more info: https://www.apple.com/ipad/apple-sim/
Boyd
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
The app that Terry was using on that Windows tablet is still available, just not from Garmin..
I don't understand you here. Which app are your talking about? Are you saying that MobilePC is still available somewhere?
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
I don't understand you here. Which app are your talking about? Are you saying that MobilePC is still available somewhere?
There's a site that has all that old discontinued software available for download. I thought I remembered Mobile PC being available there.

But now I don't even remember the name of the site, so I could be mistaken. I might have been thinking of nRoute.

...ken...
GoneNomad
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Originally Posted by Boyd
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
I don't think OS has anything to do with it.
Have to disagree with you here. If you purchase an iPad directly from Apple, or an unlocked iPad from a third party such as Best Buy, it has a pre-installed Apple SIM. You simply go to the cellular data menu in the settings and there you can choose any provider of your choice. You will then view a list of all that provider's data plans. Simply tap the one you want, enter some account info and a credit card number and you're up and running....

...Anyway, you have actually pointed out an important difference between iOS and Android. Apple clearly has a much simpler system for purchasing and activating data plans, and you can completely avoid going to carrier websites, talking to representatives, etc. Simply choose your plan, pay for it, and be happy.
This:

"Apple SIM allows you to choose from a variety of plans offered by several U.S. carriers. You can choose from longer- and shorter-term plans from each provider, right on your iPad."

is not typically how it works with an Android device, which are usually originally sold by cellular carriers or their dealers. SIM cards are typically not included unless the device arrives with service already activated.

I didn't understand what you said earlier about a SIM being "converted":

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Originally Posted by Boyd
...once you choose AT&T as your provider on the iPad, your SIM card is permanently converted to an AT&T SIM card...
...but now it seems clear ipads must come with some type of generic SIM that isn't provisioned for any particular carrier until it is activated.

None of the Android or Windows tablets I've bought came with SIMs.
Some carriers (like AT&T) tend to not give out a SIM without also activating service on it. T-Mobile stores will, but they charge about $15.

I was eventually able to get an unactivated AT&T SIM from a different AT&T store than the first one (which had screwed up the first activation). I could also have bought one off of ebay for a few bucks, which in retrospect probably would have been a lot easier.

AFAIK, an unactivated SIM from a cellular carrier is already carrier-provisioned, meaning it has some carrier-specific info already on it, making it impossible to use (for example) an unactivated TMobile to activate service on AT&T. The "Apple SIM" sounds like it must be a completely unprovisioned SIM until it is activated, which allows a carrier to be selected (using software functionality built into the iOS that isn't there on Android).

Long story short, it sure does appear that Apple scheme makes it easy to activate a brand new LTE iPad that is bought from a normal dealer, compared to an Android tablet not bought from a cellular carrier. That is result of Apple's end-to-end attention to detail, combined with the other main difference: Apple (and Apple dealers) sells LTE tablets directly to end users, whereas LTE Android tablets are mainly sold by cellular carriers and their dealers.


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What's even more interesting about that Apple SIM page is this image:

...which corroborates what you said about that special plan.
If that's actually still available to new IPad users, it almost makes me want to get an iPad.
...especially if, once a SIM is activated on that plan, it might be used on another type of tablet!


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Boyd
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
But now I don't even remember the name of the site, so I could be mistaken. I might have been thinking of nRoute.
You were probably thinking about this, but I don't think MobilePC is there: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/

Anyway, I think you would need a cracked (pirated) copy of Mobile PC since it needs to contact a Garmin server to be activated, and that server no longer exists.

I still have a working copy of MobilePC on my old Windows 7 tablet. I really liked it, but those days are long gone and that old tablet is just too slow and quirky.
Boyd
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Originally Posted by GoneNomad
...which corroborates what you said about that special plan.
See... I wasn't trying to argue with you, was just pointing out that iPads are different. But I'm surprised one of the large Android vendors like Samsung doesn't have a similar system. I wasn't aware that you could only buy LTE Android tablets from cellular providers.

Regarding the "conversion" of an Apple SIM to an AT&T SIM... it's annoying but that's how it works. If you choose an AT&T plan on a new iPad, you will get a warning about this before you proceed. This article has a pretty good summary:

https://www.imore.com/which-ipad-carrier-and-plan-should-you-get
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"In a perfect world, you would be able to switch carriers at will with your Apple SIM, but not every company has opted in. Auto-switching in the U.S. works if you pick a T-Mobile, Sprint, AlwaysOnline, or GigSky plan: You can make accounts on all four networks if you so choose, and switch between their plans depending on which suits you based on your location.

Pick AT&T, however, and your Apple SIM card will immediately lock down and become an AT&T-only SIM card. The AT&T option will also immediately disappear once you pick one of its competitors. "
Boyd
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
I still use Mapsource for any offline planning I want to do. However, the current version of Garmin's maps require a conversion in order to use them in Mapsource.
Can you elaborate on that Ken? I suspect you're thinking of nRoute and not Mapsource. nRoute is very old software and it cannot use Garmin's newer .gmap file format. Mapsource isn't quite that old, and the final version is fully compatible with .gmap files.

For anyone that cares about the tech difference... old Garmin maps use the Windows registry, so when they finally introduced a Mac version of their software, they needed a new format. This led to .gmap, which is simply a collections of files and folders.

Later, Garmin realized the superiority of this approach, made their Windows software compatible with it, and completely switched to the new .gmap system for all their maps.
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
You were probably thinking about this, but I don't think MobilePC is there: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/

Anyway, I think you would need a cracked (pirated) copy of Mobile PC since it needs to contact a Garmin server to be activated, and that server no longer exists.

I still have a working copy of MobilePC on my old Windows 7 tablet. I really liked it, but those days are long gone and that old tablet is just too slow and quirky.
Yes, that's the site. And yes, you're right about probably needing a cracked copy, although Garmin dropped support so long ago I'm not sure having one would bother me much. I am still in possession of a legitimate purchased copy so if I could find a cracked version I might grab it as a valid way to keep it going.

It's unfortunate that it's no longer around. It's still as good as most current apps and better than many. I'd like to see how it runs in Win 10 on my Surface Pro 4.

...ken...
tcassidy
Garmin Mobile PC runs fine on Win 10. The only issue we have seen is it cannot use the latest speech engine so is somewhat limited in that area.

Terry
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by tcassidy
Garmin Mobile PC runs fine on Win 10. The only issue we have seen is it cannot use the latest speech engine so is somewhat limited in that area.

Terry
Do you have the hardware version? Mine is the software version and without the activation server I'm screwed. I have a Garmin GPS10x but the hardware version of GMPC is tied to the unit serial number if I recall correctly, isn't it?

...ken...
Ken in Regina
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Originally Posted by Boyd
Can you elaborate on that Ken? I suspect you're thinking of nRoute and not Mapsource. nRoute is very old software and it cannot use Garmin's newer .gmap file format. Mapsource isn't quite that old, and the final version is fully compatible with .gmap files.

For anyone that cares about the tech difference... old Garmin maps use the Windows registry, so when they finally introduced a Mac version of their software, they needed a new format. This led to .gmap, which is simply a collections of files and folders.

Later, Garmin realized the superiority of this approach, made their Windows software compatible with it, and completely switched to the new .gmap system for all their maps.
Right again, sort of. It turns out I was actually thinking about moving a compiled map from one device to another, which is hardly a subject for this forum!

I haven't updated my City Navigator maps on my computers for awhile so I was probably confused about that, too. I've been using Open Map Chest maps for awhile now. So I updated the computer to CNNA 2019.2 and you're quite right. It works fine in both Basecamp and Mapsource.

...ken...
tcassidy
Yes, the hardware version is tied to a range of 10xs. I have 2 10x and only one works with GMPC. I have both the hardware and software versions of GMPC but there is really no difference between them. Any one will work with the appropriate 10x (or 20x for that matter).

As Boyd stated and I am sure you are aware, the software licensing server has not been available for years. However, cracking them must be child's play with the appropriate software. So, even I can do it!

Terry
ron4adams
All of you guys are great, but now I can understand how my students who had significant deficiencies in basic algebra felt when I tried to teach them Calculus. After all your attention I must report that I got a thumbs down on using a tablet for our navigation from my navigator. She is used to implementing our pre planned trip with our old Tomtom, has no interest in "learning" how to use a tablet, and all I do during these journeys is drive and look at her photos at the end of the day. I love you all, but love her more, so will probably purchase a new tomtom so that at least we have updated maps. Which maps we use at home to plan our trips is to be decided, but I guess I will be spending my non-travel days entering many many many destinations into my new tomtom one at a time. Ugg!



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